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Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

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Post by Greatest I am on Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:26 pm


Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:19 pm

Well since the story is entirely mythical I'm not that bothered. Though clearly since the story was created in patriarchal societies it's misogynistic attitudes are always going to exaggerated in a contemporary democratic society that strives to allow equal rights for women.
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Post by Greatest I am on Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:36 pm

Where do you see one of those? I do not see any.

Where do women get full equality? Nowhere that I can see. Lots of lip service but equality, no.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:32 pm

I didn't say women had full equality, learn to read. I said "societies that STRIVE TO allow women equality".

Perhaps if you took the time to read a post properly, instead of leaping on it to troll and point score, you could avoid such embarrassing blunders. Rolling Eyes
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Post by Greatest I am on Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:05 pm

I was speaking more to the location of a modern democracy. We do not have even one of those among our oligarchies.

Either way and reading errors aside, if some nation is striving, it is sure doing so quietly. Strange that all those male voices looking for equality for women, speak so softly. Mad

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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:04 pm

I would think that most would automatically read this as equal under the law.

It is a given that no one is equal to anyone else.

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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:43 pm

Well women should be equal to men in the workplace as the first place, and that is coming around gradually but surely is it not GIa?
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:45 pm

stuart torr wrote:Well women should be equal to men in the workplace as the first place, and that is coming around gradually but surely is it not GIa?

Yes.
Through the courts. Not through the hearts of men who seek justice.

If it is gradual to you and I.
Imagine how much slower gradual will seem to those who are being oppressed.

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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:24 pm

The women should not be oppressed in the first place GIa anywhere, and I'm certain that there are not so many men being oppressed judged by the lack of court cases.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:42 pm

stuart torr wrote:The women should not be oppressed in the first place GIa anywhere,.

Yet religious men, the majority, do exactly that almost everywhere.

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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:28 pm

Well give up anything to do with religion, and fight on behalf of equality for religious females from an atheist point of view.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:34 pm

stuart torr wrote:Well give up anything to do with religion, and fight on behalf of equality for religious females from an atheist point of view.

What difference does my religion have to do with fighting for equality?
Some might even say that fighting from inside is better than fighting from outside.

You do know that I really dislike Christianity. Right?

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Post by stuart torr on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:24 pm

I'm not saying a word on that matter.
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Post by Greatest I am on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:41 pm

stuart torr wrote:I'm not saying a word on that matter.

You have not said a lot at any time.

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Post by stuart torr on Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:12 pm

Not always to yourself GIa, as you always come back seemingly having a go at me, plus some of the things I wish to say go in private messages, hence not everybody on the forum sees them.
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Post by polyglide on Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:50 pm

The mere fact that woman is not made in the same mould as man
indicates that there is a difference.

There is also differences in the roles each have to play because of this.

|Man cannot under normal circumstances bear children and women cannot do many tasks that a man can undertake.

This does not mean that the original woman was inferior, no, just stupid and look where we are now.
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Post by Greatest I am on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:51 pm

polyglide wrote:The mere fact that woman is not made in the same mould as man
indicates that there is a difference.

There is also  differences in the roles each have to play because of this.

|Man cannot under normal circumstances bear children and women cannot do many tasks that a man can undertake.

This does not mean that the original woman was inferior, no, just stupid and look where we are now.

You see the women around you as stupid. Ok.

I wonder if they feel the same about the men in your group.

Quite the circle of friends you have. Would they be Christian by any chance? That would explain much.

Most women I know are quite bright and they are not Christian.

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Post by polyglide on Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:07 pm

Of the many friends I have about half are women, some bright as buttons some not so and for varying reasons.

I was talking about the original not those that followed.

Those that followed had the same choice as Eve to do right or wrong and there are many of both.
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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:02 pm

Let's hope the women of today have the wisdom that Eve had. Let's hope todays men have Adam's intelligence as well and follows women's wise lead.

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Post by stuart torr on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:22 pm

GIa men and women should have equality in todays world. cheers cheers
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Post by Greatest I am on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:20 pm

stuart torr wrote:GIa men and women should have equality in todays world. cheers cheers

No argument but I see a man's duty as asking for more than that. Women and children first.

If you cannot agree then you are not as moral a man as you could be.

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Post by stuart torr on Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:14 pm

I have no arguments there GIa, just been to the bank to get my money out to pay more than half as usual to my ex for my daughters school uniform, new shoes, new coat, and her pudsey bear outfit for pudsey bear day.
I always still wish we were together but it was the mums choice to leave me after 14years together GIa.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:22 am

stuart torr wrote:I have no arguments there GIa, just been to the bank to get my money out to pay more than half as usual to my ex for my daughters school uniform, new shoes, new coat, and her pudsey bear outfit for pudsey bear day.
I always still wish we were together but it was the mums choice to leave me after 14years together GIa.

We all pay for our fun one way or the other. Even when our demands are small. Or even just three.



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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:19 am

My daughter and dog I could not do without GIa
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:33 pm

stuart torr wrote:My daughter and dog I could not do without GIa

Children are what keep us going. Dogs run a close second if a woman does not happen to be around.

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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:14 pm

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Post by polyglide on Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:24 pm

There is one thing for sure, the mess man has made of the earth and all within, would be hard to beat choose who made the decisions.
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Post by stuart torr on Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:35 pm

In what way PG?
We all know that man has made some pretty big mistakes in trying to make earth a better place for us all to live.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:28 pm

polyglide wrote:There is one thing for sure, the mess man has made of the earth and all within, would be hard to beat choose who made the decisions.

Spoken like one who has not looked at the stats for evil lately. They are at the best levels they have ever been.

Show anything that makes your point or stop lying to us.

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Post by stuart torr on Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:48 pm

There are more demonic cults around now than there was twenty years ago GIa so stop picking on PG please.
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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:10 am

stuart torr wrote:There are more demonic cults around now than there was twenty years ago GIa so stop picking on PG please.

You forget that the biggest demonic cult that we presently suffer are the Abrahamic cults of the main stream.

They are responsible for the inequality of women world wide. They are the majority and have been for a long time.

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Post by polyglide on Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:54 pm

Of course there are cults and any number of religions that is why the world is in such a state, Satan is abroad and people like you are food and drink to him.

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Post by stuart torr on Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:47 pm

Were you not well PG? because it is good to see you may I say coming out of your corner with your usual vigor.
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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:36 pm

polyglide wrote:Of course there are cults and any number of religions that is why the world is in such a state, Satan is abroad and people like you are food and drink to him.


Was Satan not sentenced to hell?

Why does your God let a sentence entity roam freely doing more harm?

Why did your God give here dominion here instead of in hell?

Is justice delayed not justice denied where you live?

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Post by stuart torr on Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:12 pm

Dependent on your religion GIa, and why have a go at Polyglide again? just waited for them to start posting again then you appeared.
Get back under your stone.
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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:20 pm

stuart torr wrote:Dependent on your religion GIa, and why have a go at Polyglide again? just waited for them to start posting again then you appeared.
Get back under your stone.

So am I so I gave him something to speak to.

As to what is becoming constant repetitive garbage from you.

No one made you a mod so bite me.

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Post by stuart torr on Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:32 pm

I do not bite people GIa, and no I am certainly not a mod, but it is you that is the snake is it not? and they bite do they not? good job i've had my anti-venom jab.
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Post by polyglide on Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:04 pm

Before making comments regarding Satan, read the Bible and learn the actual facts regarding the present days, it is no good claiming to be Greatest and acting like a fool. The Dandy and Beano you read are all out of date.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:54 pm

polyglide wrote:Before making comments regarding Satan, read the Bible and learn the actual facts regarding the present days, it is no good claiming to be Greatest and acting like a fool. The Dandy and Beano you read are all out of date.

With all due respect, "FACTS"? Just how are these "FACTS" established, what criteria or methods are used to robustly validate them as facts? Satan is a fiction, a superstitious myth, and nothing approaching evidence exists, let alone facts, to justify thinking otherwise. If one wishes to believe such a being exists or believe what's written in the bible that is your right, but describing them as facts is extremely disingenuous.
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Post by stuart torr on Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:11 pm

I am afraid PG when talking to atheists such as myself or Sheldon, it is very hard to provide proof that beings such as satan exist, but of course it is your right to believe in the bible and it's contents however you may wish, I just hope that our non-believing does not upset you too much.
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