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Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:25 pm

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I trust everyone reading this will take it as an unbiased reflection of the present situation and possible implications regarding faith.

There is much concern at the present time regarding young girls leaving home and joining the fighting in the belief that their faith demands it.

These are Muslim girls and one wonders why they would leave a so called better society to join in the fighting.


It should not be a secret what the parents of these girls teach their children as right from wrong, based on ther Koran.

These girls see day after day the way in which the vast majority of the youth of today behaves, along with the television and newspapers showing a long list of activities alien to the girls belief.

MP's lying, thieving and charged with the worst possible crimes of child abuse, 480 judges charged with crimes, parents killing their children, wives being beaten up, youths falling about and full of drugs etc;

This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:19 am

Dr, Sheldon,
The thread asked if the children involved were being lead astray by the present activities of those who act against their teachings.


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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:31 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                The thread asked if the children involved were being lead astray by the present activities of those who act against their teachings.

                 

Yes we know that. What is it you're suggesting be done? 

We should never give up freedoms and rights to placate those who think their beliefs entitle them to dictate to others how they should live. That's fascism, as are ISIS. They'll have to kill me, as they will never dictate how I should live or what I should think. 

Perhaps you disagree? You've certainly implied you do, though as I said you seem to be using the situation to target freedoms and behaviours your own personal beliefs are at odds with. 

Unfortunately you have not been very candid here. Most of the things you listed are already crimes in the UK, and of course these crimes occurr in Islamic countries as well, so it's not clear why you think these crimes motivate Islamic terrorism rather than their own religious beliefs.  

The behaviours that are not crimes are irrelevant as terrorists can't and shouldn't dictate how others should live.


In short I don't care if young Muslims are motivated to violence because they think others should behave according to the dogma of Islam.  They are in for a rude awakening.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:44 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
It matters not if some and only some, of the activities of present day youth is illegal many activitiues that could be used by those wanting to radicalise the young are not illegal and it does not matter which.

No doubt what they are told is that there is a better way and offer them the chance of doing so.

I do not agree that we should change our beliefs or actions to suit another providing that which is involved is legal, that is not the point.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:15 pm

Then yet again you need to say what your point is. As you have not been very coherent here. Nor have you candidly stated what you're suggesting be done?
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:12 am

Dr, Shedlon,
The point is that we have created an ideal opportunity for those intent on radicalising some young people by behaving in a manner that can be used to do so.

I never suggested there was an answer, matters have gone too far in the wrong directions.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:26 am

Polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                The point is that we have created an ideal opportunity for those intent on radicalising some young people by behaving in a manner that can be used to do so. 

So you're claiming that by being free, and exercising those freedoms, we are to blame for religious terrorists? That's absurdly stupid, and deeply offensive. Besides that you're again ignoring the fact that most Muslims don;t resort to violence, and that the Koran has ample motivation in quite unequivocal passage that invoke the credulous to violence against non-believers. Both of which I've pointed out already more than once, and provided ref's to the text of the Koran, and of course which refute your bizarre claim.

Polyglide wrote:I never suggested there was an answer, matters have gone too far in the wrong directions.

Actually you suggested in your opening posts that UK citizens might modify their behaviour to placate these terrorists, or at the very least implied it. I find that suggesting as offensive as the idea that decent law abiding UK citizens going about their business causes religious terrorism. You're going to extraordinary lengths here to make the most absurd claims, in order to avoid a fairly obvious truth, that religious beliefs can and do cause violence and atrocities, and what's more they always have done.

The answer is to fight fascism like ISIS, and any other theocratic fascists who feel their beliefs entitle them to demand how others live and behave, and of course what they must believe. The answer most definitely is not to cow tow to fascists, history has surely taught us that much in the 1930's with Hitler.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:10 pm

polyglide wrote: I feel it not in the best interests of all concerned to promote that which offends others, this applies to all faiths and all subjects.  

Such as? What are these heinous behaviours you think are being promoted that cause religious extremism and terrorism?
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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:12 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                The point is that we have created an ideal opportunity for those intent on radicalising some young people by behaving in a manner that can be used to do so.  

How have we created this? What behaviours? Beyond a list of criminal behaviours that are neither peculiar to the UK or tolerated, let alone promoted or encouraged, you haven't really told us anything, and we're on page 6.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:57 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
Young girls going half naked, not illegal, drunken bahavior just this side of being illegal, kissing and just short of open immorality, not illegal, taking legal highs, along with other activities although legal are offensive to some etc; etc;
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Re: Food for thought

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:51 pm

So what? You keep listing people's choices and freedoms as if you're suggesting something be done. What might you be suggesting we do about religious fascists taking offence that we live in a free democracy where people have rights, including the right to live a hedonistic secular happy existence without being dictated to by religious fascists? 

Why should women not dress as they see fit just as men do? That sounds sexist or even misogynistic to me.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:01 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                Young girls going half naked, not illegal, drunken bahavior just this side of being illegal, kissing and just short of open immorality, not illegal, taking legal highs, along with other activities although legal are offensive to some etc; etc;

Again I have to say these all sound like things you have a problem with to me. I am deeply offended by religious bigotry, and say so, by the rank stupidity of creationists, and say so, by theocracies that take away the rights of people who live in them, and by the avaricious religions and churches that have milked the gullible and overly credulous. However.... I don't insist they all do as I say, or worse, violently attack them when they don't.

You've gone from saying you despise ISIS and what they do, to again tacitly suggesting that perfectly decent law biding people going about their own lives are somehow to blame instead, that is not just absurd, it's offensive and idiotic. You don't appease religious fascists by giving up rights to placate their desire to control how others live and behave.

How women dress is their business and no one else's, whether people take a drink or not is their business and no one else's. Just what you have against kissing is anyone's guess, but to suggest people kissing is the root cause of religious terrorism is laughably idiotic. Open immorality? Again the mind boggles as to what your talking about here, but if it is not illegal then who is claiming it is immoral, and on what justification? I think prejudice against and persecution of gay people is deeply immoral, can I blame those who indulge such bigotry whilest violently attacking them? What consenting adults do to each other in private is their own business, and open displays of affection that are not considered illegal in public are no one else's business. Legal highs should be assessed on whether they represent a risk to the health of those who take them, and not on the archaic beliefs of religious fascists who want to dictate how people live. So should illegal highs come that. It's also worth pointing out that the religious terrorist who killed all those men women and children in Tunisia was found to have taken cocaine, so citing legal highs as part of his motive is oddly ironic. I'm not sure what "other activities" you're talking about but if they're legal then they're.......that's right, no one else's business.

As far as I'm concerned religious fascists are no different to any other kind of fascists beyond the rank hypocrisy involved, they're scum, and I'd die before I'd let them dictate how I or anyone else should live. The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:14 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I do wish you would read with a little understanding of what is written.

Wether the actions of some are legal illegal or downright repulsive does not matter and if they can be used to radicalise young people based on their faith and shown as what the part of the world they live in has become, then that is the question and not anything else.



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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:11 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                I do wish you would read with a little understanding of what is written.

I do wish you would desist from accusing everyone who disagrees with you of lacking understanding, as if it is inconceivable that you might be the one who lacks understanding. Nothing that has been stated is beyond my understanding, I just fundamentally disagree with your claims, though admittedly you have been fairly vague, even evasive on what it is you're claiming, and what it is you're suggesting be done.

Polyglide wrote:Wether the actions of some are legal illegal or downright repulsive does not matter

On the contrary it matters a great deal. I fail to see how behaviours that are legal, but that you are subjectively labelling as immoral based on your own superstitious beliefs, are anyone else's business. If religious fascist and terrorist want to take offence at people exercising their legal rights then so be it, this doesn't entitle them to anything. Again I am wondering what it is you're suggesting decent people are supposed to do here, because religious terrorists don't like people enjoying their lives in a way they are opposed to?  

Polyglide wrote:and if they can be used to radicalise young people based on their faith and shown as what the part of the world they live in has become, then that is the question and not anything else.

No that is not the question at all. Decent law abiding people should not question whether their legal freedoms offend religious fascist and terrorist, as holding religious beliefs does not entitle anyone to anything. They have the right to believe what they wish, and they may take offence if they wish, but that's it. The fact that hateful old bigoted, misogynists don't like women being free to dress as they please, or for adults to take a drink when they please, say and express what they wish, or eat what they desire, or have fulfilling emotional and physical relationships with any other adult when they want, is too bloody bad. If their beliefs don't satisfy them then maybe a little critical self examination is in order, but no one is required to modify their perfectly legal behaviour to appease religious terrorists.

What if they get offended by Christianity being practised? Are you prepared to question whether you ought to stop that in order to avoid radicalising them? Do you think your religious beliefs are more precious to you than democratic freedom is to others?
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:45 am

Dr, Shedlon,
I feel you have missed the point entirely.

There is no suggestion that any of the activities that may give those intent on radicalising the young a reason to show they are in a place not conversant with their belief should be banned, the question is; do they give the extreemists grounds to radicalise the young impressionable often confused people who have diffrent religions etc;

I have never suggested that any activity that is legal should be banned etc; however, the television and other media means continually display many of the activities that some religions find objectional and that is what I am asking, does this give ammunition to the extreemists?.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:13 pm

No. Extremists of this ilk have all the ammunition they need in the Koran, as I believe I have pointed out with references to the text. If you're not suggesting these behaviours be banned then why bring them up at all?  What does it matter? Religious fascists like ISIS  genuinely belive they have God on their side, and that everything they believe is 100% true.  

You can't negotiate with absolutes and you don't placate fascists.  Nor is it sensible to examine which aspects of decent law abiding people's lives have upset these religious fascists.  They're in the wrong here.
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Re: Food for thought

Post by polyglide on Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I am aware that the people involved in the present
conflicts are lunatics and also that they use their faith as an excuse although most Muslim people would not agree with them.

That is not the point, I am talking about young impressionable young people who would noramlly just have a normal life being radicalised using that which I have quoted.

It has nothing to do with anything else.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:12 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                I am aware that the people involved in the present
conflicts are lunatics and also that they use their faith as an excuse although most Muslim people would not agree with them.

                That is not the point, I am talking about young impressionable young people who would noramlly just have a normal life being radicalised using that which I have quoted.  

                 It has nothing to do with anything else.

The problem as I have repeatedly pointed you is that you have offered no evidence for your claims, and still don't. I also pointed out, with references to the relevant texts, verses of the Koran that provide all the ammunition needed to radicalise young Muslims. Since Muslims subjectively accept some texts and not others, as you yourself do with the bible, this would explain why so few have decided to fight for religious terrorists like ISIS.

You have still not offered a single word about why you have started this thread and made these claims, indeed I've asked what it is you want people to do and you claim nothing can be done, so what is the purpose of this thread? As it appears to be just so you can subjectively cite behaviours you yourself object to, like women and girls dressing as they please, and people taking a drink, or even kissing in public or on TV, as a few examples.
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Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:47 am

Dr, Shedlon,
As with the topics you have raised, to cover other issues, I am asking if in the long ruin we have not contributed to the fact that otherwise ordinary young people are being radicalised by the numerous activities they are told is offensive to them are shown day in and day out both on television and the daily papers etc;

This has nothing to do with the lunatics using anything they can think of to carry out their activities, the question being, can they and are they using what I have stated as a means of radicalising some young people.

You as in other topics miss the whole question and go off onto something totally irrelevant.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:56 am

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,You as in other topics miss the whole question and go off onto something totally irrelevant.

Try reading my multiple responses where I have stated categorically that I don't think your claim has any validity, Try reading the expansive responses I have written multiple times where I evidenced why I think this. Try reading my last post that you have just posted straight after and completely ignored. In short stop preaching the same tired unevidenced agenda about behaviours that you yourself clearly have issues with and engage in discussion.

You can start with my last post that you have completely ignored:

Try again

The problem as I have repeatedly pointed you is that you have offered no evidence for your claims, and still don't. I also pointed out, with references to the relevant texts, verses of the Koran that provide all the ammunition needed to radicalise young Muslims. Since Muslims subjectively accept some texts and not others, as you yourself do with the bible, this would explain why so few have decided to fight for religious terrorists like ISIS.

You have still not offered a single word about why you have started this thread and made these claims, indeed I've asked what it is you want people to do and you claim nothing can be done, so what is the purpose of this thread? As it appears to be just so you can subjectively cite behaviours you yourself object to, like women and girls dressing as they please, and people taking a drink, or even kissing in public or on TV, as a few examples.
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Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:59 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
I asked a question, I did not say I had any evidence, I stated the facts and as far as I am concerned if I was interested in converting a young influential person towards a given end I would certainly use any ammunition available to me and the question was, are we doing so by continually portraying matters that can be used to do so both on television and other media ?.

This has nothing to do with any other matter.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:05 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                I asked a question, I did not say I had any evidence, I stated the facts

I hate to keep repeating myself, but since this is an important distinction that you seem unaware of:


Facts are synonymous and dependant on evidence. If there is no evidence then it is demonstrably NOT a fact.

Polyglide wrote:and as far as I am concerned if I was interested in converting a young influential person towards a given end  I would certainly use any ammunition available to me and the question was, are we doing so by continually portraying matters that can be used to do so both on television and other media ?.

Which I have answered and you have ignored, repeatedly. It's not a discussion if you just keep repeating your original claim whilst ignoring all the responses. Have you any comment on my responses and the evidence I offered for them?
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Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:58 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
All that you say regarding the Koran is totally irrelevant, as is all the other things you qoute, they have no bearing whatsoever on my question.

The question is solely regarding the radicalisation of the young and if we are giving ammunition to those intent on radicalising them.
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polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                All  that you say regarding the Koran is totally irrelevant, as is all the other things you qoute, they have no bearing whatsoever on my question.

                The question is solely regarding the radicalisation of the young and if we are giving ammunition to those intent on radicalising them.
               

So any answer you don't like is irrelevant, and the evidence ignored, quelle surprise. I have answered the question, and evidenced my answers, if you have no interest in discussion then stop wasting everyone's time.

Try again..

Again I have to say these all sound like things you have a problem with to me. I am deeply offended by religious bigotry, and say so, by the rank stupidity of creationists, and say so, by theocracies that take away the rights of people who live in them, and by the avaricious religions and churches that have milked the gullible and overly credulous. However.... I don't insist they all do as I say, or worse, violently attack them when they don't.

You've gone from saying you despise ISIS and what they do, to again tacitly suggesting that perfectly decent law biding people going about their own lives are somehow to blame instead, that is not just absurd, it's offensive and idiotic. You don't appease religious fascists by giving up rights to placate their desire to control how others live and behave.

How women dress is their business and no one else's, whether people take a drink or not is their business and no one else's. Just what you have against kissing is anyone's guess, but to suggest people kissing is the root cause of religious terrorism is laughably idiotic. Open immorality? Again the mind boggles as to what your talking about here, but if it is not illegal then who is claiming it is immoral, and on what justification? I think prejudice against and persecution of gay people is deeply immoral, can I blame those who indulge such bigotry whilest violently attacking them? What consenting adults do to each other in private is their own business, and open displays of affection that are not considered illegal in public are no one else's business. Legal highs should be assessed on whether they represent a risk to the health of those who take them, and not on the archaic beliefs of religious fascists who want to dictate how people live. So should illegal highs come that. It's also worth pointing out that the religious terrorist who killed all those men women and children in Tunisia was found to have taken cocaine, so citing legal highs as part of his motive is oddly ironic. I'm not sure what "other activities" you're talking about but if they're legal then they're.......that's right, no one else's business.

As far as I'm concerned religious fascists are no different to any other kind of fascists beyond the rank hypocrisy involved, they're scum, and I'd die before I'd let them dictate how I or anyone else should live. The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:20 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I believe any reasonable person will realise that you have missed the whole point.

I know and everyone else is aware that the people of ISIS are not very nice people and use whatever they can to further their aims.

This as I have explained and am sure is clear to everyone but you has nothing whatsoever to do with my question.

It has nothing to do with what I like or dislike.

So I will try to explain as to a child.

If a child is brought up to understand that certain things are wrong and to be avoided at all costs or they will be punished in an after life and those things are evident daily where they live, their parents are aware that ISIS is using the Koran etc; for wrong purposes and are happy although not involved in the above practices to live where they and the children are.

The question is, do the ISIS use the above as a means of radicalising otherwise sensible young people by offering them a place where these things do not happen and promising a far better life?.

Nothing you have said actually addresses the question, all you have done is go back to saying what you think I think and you are always far off the mark.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:39 pm

Au contraire,  it is you who is entirely missing the point and ignoring my posts and the evidence I've offered. 


Your petty childish insult is borderline ad hominem do it again and I'll report it. 

The Koranic texts that advocate violence need no interpretation and I've already referenced these.  So why your repeating your claim and ignoring this I don't know. 

Nothing decent law abiding citizens of the UK do is the root cause or even related to religious fascism. Your question has been answered repeatedly and evidence offered. As for everyone else agreeing with your absurd claims,  well you clearly are not reading the responses in this thread. 

Who cares if religious fascists are offended by decent law abiding people going about their lives. As I have asked what is it you're suggesting be done? You don't seem to have any point here beyond repeating a list of behaviours you obviously object to. You mentioned immorality but offered nothing else. Criminal activity is evident in all cultures and countries.  So a list of crimes that occurr here is rather nonsensical given the crimes that are ubiquitous in the hellish places that ISIS have control.  

No our society is not in any way to blame for religious fascists going to fight for ISIS. 

Again I ask what your question hopes to achieve?
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Post by polyglide on Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:04 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
I am afraid if you cannot realise that you are not dealing with the question but putting forward your own ideas then you can expect it to be pointed out.

All you say has nothing to do with the question.

The question is, can the activities that are against the belief of young girls and young boys upbringing which are legal and of the choice of everyone who wishes to indulge and there is no thought of stopping them from doing so be used by those attempting to radicalise them by showing how better off they would be in a place wher those activities did not occur and a far better life would await them.

That is the question, there is no answer other than the parents to be more vigilant and warned what may be happening to their children.

The point I was making was to attempt to malke you address the question and not go off on something that is totally irrelevant.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:52 pm

I've answered the question umpteen times, you've ignored it each time, try again.

Again I have to say these all sound like things you have a problem with to me. I am deeply offended by religious bigotry, and say so, by the rank stupidity of creationists, and say so, by theocracies that take away the rights of people who live in them, and by the avaricious religions and churches that have milked the gullible and overly credulous. However.... I don't insist they all do as I say, or worse, violently attack them when they don't.

You've gone from saying you despise ISIS and what they do, to again tacitly suggesting that perfectly decent law biding people going about their own lives are somehow to blame instead, that is not just absurd, it's offensive and idiotic. You don't appease religious fascists by giving up rights to placate their desire to control how others live and behave.

How women dress is their business and no one else's, whether people take a drink or not is their business and no one else's. Just what you have against kissing is anyone's guess, but to suggest people kissing is the root cause of religious terrorism is laughably idiotic. Open immorality? Again the mind boggles as to what your talking about here, but if it is not illegal then who is claiming it is immoral, and on what justification? I think prejudice against and persecution of gay people is deeply immoral, can I blame those who indulge such bigotry whilest violently attacking them? What consenting adults do to each other in private is their own business, and open displays of affection that are not considered illegal in public are no one else's business. Legal highs should be assessed on whether they represent a risk to the health of those who take them, and not on the archaic beliefs of religious fascists who want to dictate how people live. So should illegal highs come that. It's also worth pointing out that the religious terrorist who killed all those men women and children in Tunisia was found to have taken cocaine, so citing legal highs as part of his motive is oddly ironic. I'm not sure what "other activities" you're talking about but if they're legal then they're.......that's right, no one else's business.

As far as I'm concerned religious fascists are no different to any other kind of fascists beyond the rank hypocrisy involved, they're scum, and I'd die before I'd let them dictate how I or anyone else should live. The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
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Post by polyglide on Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:23 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
There is nothing I have said to suggest that people cannot go about their lawful business, please digest that.

The point is it they may offend others.

It is this fact that is crucial to the matter in question.

If they are against the belief of a religious order and in fact cause them concern and are displayed and acted on a daily basis in the place where those involved reside, could this be used by those intent on radicalising young people by showing them how bad, according to their belief, the people where they are living are and promise them a far better life elsewhere where these things did not happen?

There is no ulterior motive just a simple question which you apparently cannot undertsand.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:42 pm

I'm not sure why you're lying about this, or how many different ways you want me to answer no to your ridiculous claim that religious terrorists are motivated by decent law abiding people going about their lives. Even if they were, who cares? Religious fascists don't have the right to dictate to others how they live....END OF STORY. .

Religious terrorist commit atrocities based on their beliefs. Who cares if people rejecting their beliefs offends them. 

You keep making the same assertion endlessly and ignoring the answer, why?

Is it perhaps that like those extremists you simply can't accept that no one has to live their lives in deference to any religious beliefs?
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:15 pm

polyglide wrote:This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
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Post by polyglide on Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:10 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I am afraid you have a problem with understanding just what the matter in question is.

Nothing you say has anyhting to do with what is being considered.


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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:41 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                I am afraid you have a problem with understanding just what the matter in question is.

                Nothing you say has anyhting to do with what is being considered.

You claimed this:

polyglide wrote:
This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

Which bit of this reply isn't salient, and why?

Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote: The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
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Post by polyglide on Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:00 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
I agree that the evil people carrying out all the atrocities are evil, I am not talking about why or how they are doing so, Iam talking about the fact that young people are being radicalised and could the fact that we give them the ammunition to do so by daily in many different ways portraying ourselves as [in their opinion] indulging in all manner of activities that go against THEIR religion.

If I was a Muslim and wanted to radicalise a young person who had been brought up in the faith, I feel to stress over and over again to the victim that the place where you are is evil and show them all the activities they are told are wrong would possibly influence the young to go along with an alternative, in particlar if it was a load of lies that was being offered etc;.
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You claimed this:

polyglide wrote:
This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

Which bit of this reply isn't salient, and why?

Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote:
The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.

Since you responded with this:

by polyglide Today at 3:10 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I am afraid you have a problem with understanding just what the matter in question is.

Nothing you say has anyhting to do with what is being considered.
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Post by polyglide on Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:31 pm

Dr, Sheldon
Are you being puposely obtuse or cannot you help yourself.
None of your reply actually addresses the question it is just an explanation of who is doing the evil, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in question.

The question only involves the young people at risk of being radicalised.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:43 pm

by polyglide Today at 4:31 pm

Dr, Sheldon
Are you being puposely obtuse or cannot you help yourself.
Your ad hominem has been reported, you were warned.

I'm afraid you are simply ignoring everything that's posted, and repeating your original claim endlessly.

So once again let me reiterate:

The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and those who recruit them, and do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.

No one can escape culpability for their actions, either the act itself or the recruitment of others to perform those acts, because they don't like others rejecting their beliefs and not living their lives in accordance with those beliefs.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:24 pm

You claimed this:
polyglide wrote:
This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.
I responded with this:
Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote:
The fault for these atrocities lies squarely with the religious zealots who perform them, and those who recruit them, those actions do not in any way attach any blame to law abiding citizens, or indeed anyone else at all. People are entirely responsible for their own actions.
Now since you responded with this:
by polyglide Today at 3:10 pm  Nothing you say has anyhting to do with what is being considered.
Perhaps you can tell me which part of my answer to your question is irrelevant and why? As you keep repeating the claim in your opening post, occasionally trying to pass it off as a question, and I keep answering it, only for you to ignore what I've posted and tell me it's irrelevant. Would it help if you told us all what the answer you want is and we all just posted that for you?

One last time then:

NO, I don't think the actions and behaviours of UK citizens going about their lives is in any way helping anyone radicalise young Muslims. Since the majority of UK Muslims don't turn to terrorism and they are faced with the same society and behaviours, and secondly Muslims who CHOOSE to turn to violence against those who don't share their beliefs have all the ammunition they need in the pages of the Koran.
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Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:37 am

Dr, Shedlon,
All parts of your reply are irrelevant to the question, just ask boatlady to point out the difference between the question and your replies.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:51 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                All parts of your reply are irrelevant to the question, just ask boatlady to point out the difference between the question and your replies.

This was your claim I responded to quoted below, it's not a question quite clearly, do you see a question mark there? This all you've offered, no evidence or clue as to what your point is or what you're suggesting be done despite multiple requests.
polyglide wrote:
This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

Your claim has had two different responses from me, and I'll collate these here, from now on if all you use is repetition without any attempt to address my post I'll just repost these.  

1. The evidence that refutes your claim.
a) The vast majority of Muslims don't succumb to indoctrination despite experiencing the same life in the UK. This indicates clearly that those that do become indoctrinated are exercising a choice.  
b) The Koran already contains multiple verses invoking Muslims to violence and murder of non-Muslims. So no extra motivations is required if someone chooses to become a religious terrorist.
2. So what if they are offended and driven into the arms of religious terrorists, you offer no suggestions of what is to be done?
a) Religious terrorist are culpable for their ownactions, not decent law abiding people going about their lives.
b) Similarly the people who indoctrinate these Muslims into terrorist organisations are culpable for their actions, not decent law abiding people going about their lives. SO NO, THE BEHAVIOUR OF UK CITIZENS DOES NOT PROVIDE AMMUNITION FOR RELIGIOUS FASCISTS TO INDOCTRINATE PEOPLE. THAT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY THEIR CHOICE.

I can't make it any clearer than this, nor any more germane to your original question which you are premising as a claim.

You started a thread and asked a question, I've answered it multiple times and you've ignored it. Each time you ignored my posts you reiterated your question which has long since been premised as a claim, you clearly have no interest in listening to any other opinion on this. please stop this childish nonsense of lying that my comments are irrelevant just because you don't like the answer I've given.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:51 pm

Dr, Shedlon,
Your replies ARE totally irrelevant to the question.

All you are doing is repeating what everyone is aware of and has nothing at all to do with the possible radicalisation of children.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:47 pm

Your thread question is answered as a no. The evidence in multiple posts. If you've no interest in discussing then why keep posting?  Let alone lying about it, and changing the thread by referring to children now. 

All very silly. Especially since the vast majority of adherents to religious terrorism have never set foot in the UK. Are we to blame for them as ell?
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