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Why did we stop inventing gods?

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Post by Greatest I am on Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:26 pm

Why did we stop inventing gods?

The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk

Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.

Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.

Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.

I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.

Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.

Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?

Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by polyglide on Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:53 pm

The opium of the people include, drugs, every type of perversion, and the persuite of pleasure in many debatable and unacceptable ways.

The reason that there are now less Gods is because people of intelligence have come to the conclusion that there can only be one true God of creation, and many of the present religeons accept this, but call the creator by other names.

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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:04 pm

I agree that religions are perversions in that they seek the pleasure of having the top god in unacceptable ways. We have had enough of Inquisitions and Jihads.

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Post by Ivan on Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:08 pm

polyglide wrote:-
The reason that there are now less Gods is because people of intelligence have come to the conclusion that there can only be one true God of creation
Didn’t the idea of monotheism arrive with Abraham? As to people of intelligence, it would seem to be that, with the exception of the USA, the more developed a country becomes, the less religious are its citizens.

I’m sure it’s a comfort to many people to believe that one day they will meet up with their departed loved ones again. I prefer to think that Richard Dawkins is right when he says that ‘life everlasting’ is achieved when we pass on our genes to future generations.

Turning the thread question around – why were all significant religions started in primitive societies? Even the American aberration known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was established in 1830, before the USA developed into a powerful nation. As people learn to read and write – and hopefully think for themselves – the less they need to rely on superstitious claptrap and other historical distortions which don’t stand up to critical analysis. Anyone who tried to start a new religion today would have to convince more than a few illiterate camel herders. And the more that science explains the universe and our part in it, the less need there is for religion to provide ‘the god of the gaps’.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by Greatest I am on Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:48 am

Ivan

I would not call the U.S. a believing nation even though some do call it a Christian Nation.

How can it be such when it leads the free world in abortions and the numbers of people it has in jail?

They seem to kill and steal more than so called atheist nations.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:17 pm

".... so called atheist nations."

Not many of those around, even in the 21st.C. Politicians find it convenient to have "God on their side" when pursuing their worldly ambitions.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by Greatest I am on Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:27 pm

No argument there.

They will sell their souls to Satan to get elected.

Oops.

As a Gnostic Christian, I see Yahweh and Allah as demiurges and that defined by my ilk is close to Satans.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:32 pm

Greatest I am wrote:-
I would not call the U.S. a believing nation even though some do call it a Christian Nation. How can it be such when it leads the free world in abortions and the numbers of people it has in jail?
As I’m sure you’re well aware, politicians rarely get elected in the USA if they don’t shout “God bless America” and at least pretend to be Christians. But what exactly is a Christian? A follower of Christ, I suppose, but what he said is very different from what Paul wrote and the blood-curdling stuff in the Old Testament. That second commandment, about loving your neighbour as yourself, smacks of socialism!

Please don’t get me started on abortion. Whatever your view on the subject, it’s always going to happen. The bottom line is whether it is performed legally and safely, or illegally and result in the death of unwilling mothers as well as unborn children. We have a thread for discussing that topic:-
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by polyglide on Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:29 pm

Irrespective of all other considerations the world today is approaching the state the Bible says it would prior to Jesus sorting matters out.

Self gratification in every aspect of life appears to be the norm at the present time, and there is no reasonable person that can see any light at the end of the tunnel regarding mans future.

Even primitive mankind were well aware that it would be impossible for living matter to have come about without intelligence being involved.

They had not heard about the Bible etc; and I am of the opinion that there has been more than one period in time involving different living things designed for different purposes.

Some of the most distinguished scientists have said that science is realy a nonsense and actually proves nothing.

There is no doubt that science has been and is, responsible for many of mankinds ills, and with the prospect of some idiot setting off nuclear bombs etc; that would, if God did not take a hand, be the end of mankind and the earth as we know it.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Post by Ivan on Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:12 pm

Some of the most distinguished scientists have said that science is realy a nonsense and actually proves nothing.
The French judge who in 1794 rejected Lavoisier’s appeal against a death sentence said: “The Republic has no need of scientists”. More recently, Michael Gove told us that “people in this country have had enough of experts”.  

Clearly we don't seem to have come a long way in the last 200+ years. Maybe we should go back to ‘curing’ epilepsy by cutting the throat of a live mole and drinking its blood in a glass of white wine when there is either a new or a full moon; I’m sure it must have done the trick.  Shocked

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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:24 pm

Ivan wrote:As I’m sure you’re well aware, politicians rarely get elected in the USA if they don’t shout “God bless America” and at least pretend to be Christians. But what exactly is a Christian? A follower of Christ, I suppose, but what he said is very different from what Paul wrote and the blood-curdling stuff in the Old Testament. That second commandment, about loving your neighbour as yourself, smacks of socialism!

Please don’t get me started on abortion. Whatever your view on the subject, it’s always going to happen. The bottom line is whether it is performed legally and safely, or illegally and result in the death of unwilling mothers as well as unborn children. We have a thread for discussing that topic:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t527-pro-choice-or-pro-life

If love your neighbor, which to me is a version of the Golden Rule, then about 75% of the whole world are what you call socialists as that is how many say that the Golden Rule is their number one moral tenet.

You are correct about Christians. Calling ones self that is meaningless, and to me, stupid, as Christianity is a demonstrably immoral religion and theology.

My comment on jail and abortion was just to emphasize the fact that the U'S', that touts itself as  Christian nation, should be ashamed of doing so.

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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:27 pm

polyglide wrote:

Some of the most distinguished scientists have said that science is realy a nonsense and actually proves nothing.

 

Yet if ill, they go to a doctor who uses science instead of their church or god.

Do you think that those scientists really believe the bull shit you have put in their mouths?

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Post by polyglide on Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:50 am

I am afraid I have not attempted to put anything in anyones mouth .

Many scientists believe that there is a creator, and as for going to see a doctor etc; when ill, they will be well aware that it is probably science in some form or another that has caused the problem in the first place.

Had I not had enough experiences to confirm my deep belief in God, I would still have come to the conclusion that intelligence must have been involved in the origin of life, in all it's forms.

What I do agree with is that many people who say they are Christians apparently do not know what it entails.

The Christian church has compromised in so many ways as to loose it's credibility, and there are far fewer actual Christians than statistics indicate.

I feel very sorry for those who feel that there is no God and no life thereafter, it makes no sense that the earth offers so many opportunities to persue numerous activities that could involve eternity, and yet fail to see that they would not have been created had the offer of eternity had not been available.

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Post by Greatest I am on Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:22 pm


"I feel very sorry for those who feel that there is no God and no life thereafter".

I fell sorry for those who live a life of delusion of what god is because they believe and live in a supernatural and fantasy world.

I like reality.

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Post by polyglide on Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:56 am

The reality is, Greatest I am, that I live in the world created by God, which offered in the first place all that mankind could wish for.

It saddens me greatly to see the suffering of the majority, because of the selfishness of a minority.

The state of the world at the present time is exactly the state the Bible foretold.

That is the reality.

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Post by Greatest I am on Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:46 am

polyglide wrote:The reality is, Greatest I am, that I live in the world created by God, which offered in the first place all that mankind could wish for.


The reality is that you have nothing to show but hearsay for your notion of a creator god and that makes your statement a lie.

When all you have is lies to sell your views ------

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Post by boatlady on Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:18 pm

It saddens me greatly to see the suffering of the majority, because of the selfishness of a minority.


is perhaps a sentiment we can all endorse?
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Post by polyglide on Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:30 am

Greatest I am.

I cannot understand your feeling that I base my opinions and belief on lies.

I do not charge anything for attempting to point out that, firstly, there must have been intelligence involved in creation, therefore a creator, and there after that the Bible offers a full explanation of creation.

It makes no sense whatsoever that mankind presently lives less that 100 years in the majority of cases after just beginning to learn what life is all about.

Every animal has a full cycle and plays a part in God's intentions for it, mankind has at the present time lost the original intention that God created, through the actions of Satan.

There is no other logical explanation for the difference between mankind and all other forms of life.

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Post by boatlady on Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:40 am

or you could just keep on talking about your imaginary friends
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:45 pm

boatlady wrote:It saddens me greatly to see the suffering of the majority, because of the selfishness of a minority.


is perhaps a sentiment we can all endorse?

Yet in god terms, no one is more selfish.

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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:47 pm

polyglide wrote:Greatest I am.

I cannot understand your feeling that I base my opinions and belief on lies.

I do not charge anything for attempting to point out that, firstly, there must have been intelligence involved in creation, therefore a creator, and there after that the Bible offers a full explanation of creation.

It makes no sense whatsoever that mankind presently lives less that 100 years in the majority of cases after just beginning to learn what life is all about.

Every animal has a full cycle and plays a part in God's intentions for it, mankind has at the present time lost the original intention that God created, through the actions of Satan.

There is no other logical explanation for the difference between mankind and all other forms of life.

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So you blame Satan yet ignore that it was your creator god that created her.

The rest of what you put is B.S.

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Post by polyglide on Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:44 pm

Greatest I am,

B.S. I am so pleased you realise that what I say is Beautiful and Sensible, at last you are beginning to understand.

God created all things, including Satan, and gave all free will or all would be no more than robots.

I would agree that at face value many things are to say the least, hard to understand, however, I can assure you if you go about matters in a proper manner with the right attitude you will get an answer to everything.

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Post by polyglide on Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:57 pm

boatlady,
I have no imaginary friends.

I have friends from all walks of life and of all different persuasions?
I do not judge anyone, God condemns certain matters and as a Christian I must agree that those he condemns he does so for a reason.

If I was to ignore and not accept the frailties of others regarding what God says is right or wrong, then I would have no friends, and be in constant need of punishing myself for my shortcommings.

We are all subject to the temptations of this world and there is no one I know who has been able to overcome them all, including myself, however, I judge not others although I do not agree with what some of my friends believe and indulge in, and I call a spade a spade irrespective of what is involved.

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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:15 pm

polyglide wrote:Greatest I am,

B.S. I am so pleased you realise that what I say is Beautiful and Sensible, at last you are beginning to understand.

God created all things, including Satan, and gave all free will or all would be no more than robots.

I would agree that at face value many things are to say the least, hard to understand, however, I can assure you if you go about matters in a proper manner with the right attitude you will get an answer to everything.

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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Stop spouting your garbage and actually discuss the issues at hand.

The fact that you do not shows just how you cannot put logic and reason to the garbage you spew.

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Post by polyglide on Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:16 am

Greatest I am,

The fact that you use such words as garbage and lack of logic indicates your inability to understand the reasoning bbehind my comments.

The point in question is regarding the fact that mankind has stopped creating false Gods.

I have already pointed out that this is because as mankind has come together after being split assunder ( Babylon) and being able to consider matters together the intelligent have come to the conclusion that there can only be one creator, and have progressively dropped all the false Gods.

As far as sin is concerned, and free will, I have pointed out that an engineer can create a perfect machine, and explain all that is required for it to perform indefinately if it is treated in that manner but if any devation from the recommendations take place it will fail.

I do not expect you to understand the implications because you obviously have a mind set that is unable to comprehend anything other than the idiotic assumption that things just evolved.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:50 pm

polyglide wrote:The reason that there are now less Gods is because people of intelligence have come to the conclusion that there can only be one true God of creation,

Evidence please? I am not aware of any research that links intelligence and religious or theistic belief, in fact there is a thread on here that cites a great deal of research indicate the opposite position. That is that in any demographic religious belief in general, and theistic belief in particular decrease as intelligence and education within that group increase. The studies were conducted over decades of research, using vast study groups and in multiple countries.

Here is a link to the thread:

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