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Post by astradt1 on Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:27 am

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After 2 weeks in power it feels like it's time to start a thread on the alternative universe which Trump and his Trumpsters seem to be living in.....

Each day he reveals a new facet (alternative truth) of the place he lives in.

Today's alternative realities are that all bad poll ratings are FAKE and only good ratings are real......
The Press have under reported terror attacks such as Paris, Florida and 70+ others in spite of wall to wall coverage in the media and press.......
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Changed? What do you mean, changed?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:12 pm



Remember that amusing little critter the American's elected?  How we laughed at his antics!

Such a shame they have to grow up.



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-strikes-on-syria-came-close-to-clash-with-russia-medvedev/ar-BBzxwWP?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=iehp

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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:03 pm

What do you mean grow up? I've met 2 year olds with a better grasp of reality and more maturity
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:19 am

Either he'll grow up or he will continue to want to try out all the toys he's just found to be in the military's toy-cupboard.

In which case everybody else can stop saving for their old age.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:49 pm

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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:35 pm

Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference

Donald Trump is not fit to lead the US. Mental health experts claimed he is “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.

“Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was president. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that’s delusional.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:19 am

Well, who'd-a-thought-it?  
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:34 am

I really don't buy this about Trump being mentally ill - I think it's true that he has a personality disorder - psychopathic and/or narcissistic/paranoid - and like most people with personality disorders he is manipulative and seeks to increase chaos around him as a means of meeting his objectives.

I've observed him lying, exaggerating, avoiding core questions and gaslighting to weaken his opponents' positions; boasting and winging it when he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about - these are all rather organised mental activities aimed at environment control.

What I've never seen is Trump responding to voices, espousing positions that are completely outside the 'norm', losing control of himself in a public setting. Someone with a mental illness who has been exposed to scrutiny in the way he has would by now have 'lost it' in some very obvious way, if only for a moment.

Sadly, I suspect the USA psychiatrists are grasping at straws - what has happened in America is only what at some point was likely to happen - a psychopathic culture has finally chosen to be led by a psychopath.

If we're not very lucky, I believe England will soon go the same way
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:54 am

Trump promised to do a lot of things in his first 100 days as president. How has he done?


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Trump warns Comey: "Better hope there are no tapes".

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 12, 2017 7:31 pm

Tapes. Presidential Tapes.

Why does that have a familiar sound?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-idUSKBN1881YJ
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Tue May 16, 2017 11:39 pm

How much longer before the swamp is really drained by impeaching Trump and booting him out of office?  Rolling Eyes

White House forced to deny report Trump urged FBI to drop Michael Flynn investigation

Donald Trump directly asked former FBI director James Comey to drop an investigation into his former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, according to notes kept at the time by Comey and first reported on Tuesday by 'The New York Times'.

The latest crisis to beset the White House came just 24 hours after the first reports emerged of Trump having shared classified intelligence with Russia during Oval Office talks.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/trump-james-comey-memo-michael-flynn-fbi-white-house-denial
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:32 am

It's a long time since we heard a DJ play "It's good news week", but it was ironic anyway so may be appropriate again today.



The Donald seems impatient to launch WW3. Whatever was the US voter thinking about when they gave a box of matches to an infant to play with?
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:16 am

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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:02 pm

Actually, we ordinary people can identify with Trump in some ways.

You start off with such bold ideas, determined to make a difference but slowly and surely - bit by bit - things don't quite turn out as you would have hoped. Friends don't necessarily see things in the same way, the Law doesn't bend to your will. Great ideas run into the sand, and the only way forward is to lower your sights. Accept what is given, recognise that Rome wasn't built in a day, go with the flow, don't expect too much.

Pretty much like everyone else in fact. (Sigh!)
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:27 pm

Surely, though, the whole point of the presidency (or any head of state) is that they are supposed to aspire to higher standards of behaviour than 'the little guy' (a bit like anyone in a professional role, who acts according to a set of rules and conventions)
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:54 pm

But as a rule, a Head of State needs for the people to elect them, so it's not usually enough just to want the job. Except in this case. Unbelievable, as my TV model used to say.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:18 pm

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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:39 pm

Donald Trump’s unfitness for office

From an ‘Observer’ editorial:-

Like some kind of Shakespearean villain-clown, Trump plays not to the gallery but to the pit. He is a Falstaff without the humour or the self-awareness, a cowardly, bullying Richard III without a clue. Late-night US satirists find in this an unending source of high comedy. If they did not laugh, they would cry. The world is witnessing the dramatic unfolding of a tragedy whose main victims are a seemingly helpless American audience, America’s system of balanced governance and its global reputation as a leading democratic light.

Trump has squandered the political goodwill that traditionally accompanies a presidential honeymoon, shocked and outraged many middle-of-the-road voters who initially gave him the benefit of the doubt, thoroughly alienated Republican Party traditionalists, and undermined the authority of the office of the president. Trump, a supposedly ace chief executive, has now lost a chief of staff, a deputy chief of staff, a national security adviser, a communications director and a press secretary in short order. To lose one or even two of his most senior people might be excused as unfortunate. To lose all five suggests the fault is his.

The next prospective car crash is a September deadline for a federal budget and linked tax reforms and increased military spending promised by Trump. A budget deal proved impossible last spring and may do so again. If there is no agreement, a government shut-down looms, an outcome in line with current Washington trends. Lazy, feckless Trump has no interest in the onerous business of lobbying Congress or working the phones. He wants quick, easy wins or else he walks away.

Naive, misguided Theresa May and Liam Fox still seem to think Trump’s word can be trusted and that he will deliver a favourable trade deal. It is one of many delusions explaining why Britain’s government is so disrespected. In sharp contrast, Angela Merkel heads the realist, pragmatic group of leaders who are learning to deal with a post-Obama world where the word of the American president cannot be trusted.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/30/observer-view-of-donald-trump-unifit-for-office
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:50 pm

Does US law permit a President to simply resign? Now almost seven months in office, The Donald must by now have realized it's not precisely the same as dominating the boardroom of a Company you happen to own.

His temperament means he always has to win - and he's had a number of setbacks recently.
How long before he finds an excuse to remove himself from a no-win position? Or that someone equally "important" finds Trump's true tax figures lying about somewhere - and discloses them. In the Public Interest of course.

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Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:03 pm

Yes, American presidents can resign. Richard Nixon did in 1974, rather than face impeachment and the near certainty that he would be kicked out.

There are press stories circulating which suggest that Trump is trying to find out if he can pardon himself and his family - and that's before he and they are charged with any offences! Maybe that's his cunning plan, get immunity from prosecution and then retire to Mar-a-Lago.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:15 pm

The thot plickens, "Trump's Dollar Mess: Losses Pile Up as Political Drama Mounts"

Currency speculators are betting against the US$

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/trumps-dollar-mess-losses-pile-up-as-political-drama-mounts/ar-AAp8Oou?li=AA54rU&ocid=iehp
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Post by moonbeam on Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:33 pm

I thought this was quite hilarious.



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Post by boatlady on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:11 pm

me too - very clever
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Post by Ivan on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:24 pm

Brilliant, and it sits very nicely with a tweet I found which said:-

I did the maths, and Scaramucci lasted as Trump's communications director for exactly 2,400 plays of Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:28 pm

Where would we be without mathematics? Many economists recognize "Pootn", (as the US President likes to call him), as truly the richest man in the world.

Don't be surprised, just look to see who controls what.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by Ivan on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:51 pm

President Trump is deteriorating before our very eyes

From an article by Greg Sargent:-

Were you deeply alarmed by President Trump’s performance in Arizona on Tuesday night? If so, that is understandable. Trump is getting worse. He rambled and ranted with abandon. He hinted that he will pardon Joe Arpaio. He escalated his attacks on the media, accusing them of misrepresenting his response to the violence in Charlottesville. Yet he also doubled down on his defence of Confederate monuments, claiming that “they” are trying to “take away our heritage and our history”.

All of this appeared to signal a growing contempt for the rule of law and an increasing indifference to the health of our democracy and institutions, and to his own responsibilities and duty to the public to try to calm the antagonisms unleashed in Charlottesville’s aftermath. If anything, at this difficult moment of national introspection, Trump conspicuously sought to further inflame those antagonisms. Some reacted with deep panic: former director of national intelligence James Clapper labelled the speech “downright scary and disturbing”, adding: “I really question his ability to be — his fitness to be — in this office”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/23/donald-trump-is-deteriorating-before-our-very-eyes/?utm_term=.dd0795e5cf4f
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:43 pm

Well it's just more-of-the-same really. He is what he is, and is actually one of the more honest politicians in that he doesn't trim his sails to the popular winds. God help America.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:09 pm

god help us all
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How to win friends and influence people

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:06 am

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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by boatlady on Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:31 pm

OW - perhaps your avatar is right
afraid
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:47 pm

But often wrong, so perhaps sanity will prevail. It feels a bit like 1939, but difficult to imagine our esteemed PM in the Churchill role. "We shall fight them after we've had another Election."
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Post by boatlady on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:59 pm

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Las Vegas shooting latest: Trump calls gunman 'demented'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/03/las-vegas-shooting-trump-puerto-rico-live-updates

Takes one to know one.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by snowyflake on Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:41 pm

The Gong Show currently going on in the White House has to be America's most embarrassing moment. Not even Bill Clinton getting a bj in the oval office compares to the Orange Clown.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:50 pm

What are his loyal followers going to do, when it finally dawns upon them that he cannot and will not deliver on the promises he made in order to get elected?

Possibly more than just a shrug of the shoulders.

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Post by astradt1 on Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:26 pm

Better to be thought a fool than to have it proved.....

Donald Trump challenges Rex Tillerson to IQ test amid reports Secretary of State called him a 'moron'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-rex-tillerson-iq-test-challenge-secretary-of-state-moron-president-fake-news-a7992521.html
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Post by boatlady on Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:39 am

He and his family have absolutely zero class - in addition to their more serious faults (the racism, the sexism, the larceny, the lies, the profiteering)
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by moonbeam on Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:14 am

snowyflake wrote:The Gong Show currently going on in the White House has to be America's most embarrassing moment. Not even Bill Clinton getting a bj in the oval office compares to the Orange Clown.


I can't speak for everyone, but for me, yes. Every day there's some new thing he's said or done that just proves even more that he is not fit for office. Makes me sick!


oftenwrong wrote:What are his loyal followers going to do, when it finally dawns upon them that he cannot and will not deliver on the promises he made in order to get elected?

Possibly more than just a shrug of the shoulders.



His followers, as far as I can tell, still think he walks on water. It doesn't matter that he's destroying the country.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:40 pm

(Shrugs shoulders)
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America's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:02 pm

"Only in America!"

Well no, actually.
For anyone thinking the days of the so-called casting couch were long gone, this past week has been eye-opening. The growing list of women directing allegations at Harvey Weinstein suggests they never left Hollywood.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hollywoods-long-ugly-history-with-sexual-harassment/ar-AAtihRU?li=BBoPU0R&ocid=iehp

The exact same situation has always existed in "Bollywood", as the film industry in India is described. Wealthy Indian businessmen have "invested" in film as a means of becoming associated with the actors.

So what else is new?


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Post by moonbeam on Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:17 pm

Whether it's common or not doesn't make it right.
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Re: Trump's alternative universe

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:37 pm

Morality always comes up against the bluff front of "Human nature".

Well, it's an excuse.
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