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Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

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Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

Post by Greatest I am on Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:36 pm

Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

The God sold by Christianity say that God has no limits, yet God is limited to only one begotten son. Or is he?

Is there is only one begotten son of God, Jesus, because you can only create one?

All sons of God are creations of your own mind, gleaned from finding your internal spark of God, as described by Jesus, who states clearly that God is within you. Within you can only exist one God and thus only one son of God. That son of God is yourself, should you choose to follow Jesus’ way.





Matthew 6:The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Are you ready to step up?

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Post by Greatest I am on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:32 pm

Let me add to the question.

If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?

Who mothered them?

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:03 pm

What evidence can you demonstrate to show they were real?

What significance are you attaching their existence and why, and what evidence can you demonstrate to support this premise?
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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:58 am

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD

I do not have any evidence for the existence of any of the biblical characters. To me they are all imaginary or archetypal. After all, the bible is a consolidation of a number of different ancient belief systems.

The significance I put to this thread is the fact that if one seeks God introspectively, then one will/might find what Freud and Jung names the Father Complex. This is a minor part of the Oedipus Complex that I and most psychiatrists reject. I do not reject the Father Complex part as it makes logical sense that we would have a place where our basis instincts are stored.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:30 pm

If it's not true, and no deity exists why show the bible any more credence than any other book? If Jesus was just a man, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, then why attach any significance to the teachings assigned him that the teachings themselves don't earn on their own merit?

I see no evidence, and have heard no compelling reasons or arguments, that convinces me can't form excellent morals without any religious or theistic belief at all. In fact quite the contrary appears to be the case, where theistic belief comes with baggage that makes adherents lose the ability to see that religion's teachings as immoral once they accept that the idea or commandment is sanctioned by a perfectly moral deity.

If we don't or can't use our reason and intellect to decide what is moral and what not, then how can we ever say whether religious dogma and doctrines are moral at all? Paradoxically if we can decide what is moral using our reason and intellect then why do we need religious dogma and doctrines at all anyway?
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Post by Greatest I am on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:11 am

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:
If it's not true, and no deity exists why show the bible any more credence than any other book?

Because, to me, it shows much of the early thinking even as much of it has been distorted by Christianity. Some of it, when seen through my esoteric ecumenist eyes is still worthy of contemplation. It shows me what good morals are when I see the really poor morals of Yahweh.

If Jesus was just a man, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, then why attach any significance to the teachings assigned him that the teachings themselves don't earn on their own merit?

I do give the quotes I use merit on their own, but since I am trying to bring Christians to a better way of thinking, it is useful to quote someone they trust. It might make it harder for them to ignore it, although most still do as it does not match the lies they are used to getting from their priests and preachers.

I see no evidence, and have heard no compelling reasons or arguments, that convinces me can't form excellent morals without any religious or theistic belief at all.


Ditto.

The reverse is true as most religions have a really poor moral position on many issues.

In fact quite the contrary appears to be the case, where theistic belief comes with baggage that makes adherents lose the ability to see that religion's teachings as immoral once they accept that the idea or commandment is sanctioned by a perfectly moral deity.

See above.

If we don't or can't use our reason and intellect to decide what is moral and what not, then how can we ever say whether religious dogma and doctrines are moral at all? Paradoxically if we can decide what is moral using our reason and intellect then why do we need religious dogma and doctrines at all anyway?

I hear you buddy.

People have forgotten that religions have more to do with our insecure tribal natures than anything to do with morality.

The fact that Christianity and Islam are immoral creeds should remind religious people of that but they don't really care. They just want the pacifying tribe or religion to easy their insecurities.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:12 am

It shows me what good morals are when I see the really poor morals of Yahweh.

OK, but wasn't this my point, that if we accept the ability of determining what is moral rectitude from turpitude is inherent in the human condition,  then at the very least the bible is no more significant than any other book.

The problem is as I have said that theists who stick most accurately and rigidly to what the bible says and instructs are doomed to be least moral by any objective standard, see Fred Phelps and the Westborough Baptist church, or the KKK for examples. Citing the more wishy washy sentiments about love that are assigned to Jesus doesn't help here I think because there are plenty of passages assigned to Jesus that are the polar opposite, his blanket and unequivocal endorsing of Mosaic law for instance, his creation of the appalling concept of hell, and torturing humans after they die "forever". The idea we should abandon any notion of preparing for the future, and focus on his cult. The idea family members who didn't follow his cult should be disowned, or worse, and on and on.

The point being you have to have to some method to recognise moral rectitude from turpitude in order to decide what the contradictions in the bible "mean". If you are capable of this then we're back to not needing the bible or divine diktat in order to be moral.

I recommend Sam Harris's "The Moral Landscape" though I haven't finished it yet.

People have forgotten that religions have more to do with our insecure tribal natures than anything to do with morality.

I think religions also involved a search for morality by many, and still does, but it's morality has been shown to be fallible precisely because it is man made IMHO. If it is entirely human in origin you would expect it to reflect the culture and epoch from which it was derived, and not be perfect and timeless as well as profoundly moral, and this is precisely what we do see, with all religions.

The fact that Christianity and Islam are immoral creeds should remind religious people of that but they don't really care.

Well I am always weary of leaping to Godwin's law as it so often misinterpreted as fallacious, and I am obviously not making a direct comparison between the comparative morals, but to a Nazis National Socialism was a moral creed, this tells us nothing about the morals of Nazism. However if you accept the premise, as I do, that morality is inextricably linked to well being and therefore the best morals should maximise the physical and emotional well being of all conscious creatures, whilst protecting universal rights of the individual then we can see how far an ideology like Nazism falls short of this.

A religion that endorses slavery, extols the attitude that child sacrifice including your own, is preferable to denying the will of a capricious and sadistically egotistical deity that craves the constant adoration of it's creation, and condemns people to hell on a whim, and others to death and then the eternal torture of hell because they happened to be born gay, and also condones and endorses rape and sex trafficking, cannot ever make any claim to moral ascendancy IMHO, and thus the odd passage that contains morally profound statements does not justify believing the religion is itself a force for good. I think here we are on the same page, which is why I find describing yourself as a Gnostic Christian a little misleading.
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Post by Greatest I am on Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:56 pm

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:
I think here we are on the same page, which is why I find describing yourself as a Gnostic Christian a little misleading.

Possibly because you are not as familiar with Gnostic Christianity as I am.

"When Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within, he meant gnosis, the knowledge of the heart. The Gnostics of the early Christian era never hoped that any political or economic revolution could, or even should, do away with all the iniquitous elements within the system wherein the human is entrapped. Their rejection was not of one government or form of ownership in favor of another: rather it concerned the entire prevailing systematization of life and experience.

The Gnostics were persecuted out of existence because they knew something: that human life does not fulfill its promise within the structures and establishments of society. No one comes to his or her true selfhood by being or doing what society wants.

Churches and governments could not afford to have this secret known. That is why Jesus was killed, and that is why anyone since who knows with his or her heart is persecuted. One cannot free oneself by bowing to the yoke but only by breaking it."

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/12/330510.html?c=on

This view is spoken of in this link, but if you do not think you have a higher consciousness, you should ignore it.



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