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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:14 pm

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That old-fashioned notion of respecting the result of a plebiscite.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:24 pm

Chancellor Philip Hammond has emerged as the main cheerleader for a business-friendly Brexit. His reputation for being one of the cabinet ministers in favor of a softer Brexit had made him a candidate for the chopping block when it looked as if May was heading for a landslide with an army of hard-Brexit supporters.

But May’s poor election performance has raised his stature, and he’s been unafraid to spar with Brexit Secretary David Davis, the chief negotiator, or take jabs at Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, one of the faces of the successful “Leave” campaign. In Berlin last week, Hammond joked that he now tried to “discourage talk of ‘cake’ amongst my colleagues.”


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/uk-drops-brexit-bravado-as-hammond-tells-ceos-may-will-listen/ar-BBDDZph?ocid=U219DHP


One interpretation could be that May's parroted "Hard Brexit" is a rapidly receding prospect.

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:27 pm

The head of the National Audit Office, Sir Amyas Morse has warned in an unprecedented intervention, that Whitehall departments are being left to "struggle on their own" with the challenges of Brexit because of a failure of leadership and direction.

He said the Government could "come apart like a chocolate orange" unless departments are given more support, as he warned Mrs May that Brexit poses the "biggest challenge" since the Second World War.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/theresa-mays-government-could-come-apart-like-a-chocolate-orange-over-brexit-watchdog-chief-warns/ar-BBEjevo?li=AA54rU&ocid=iehp
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Post by Ivan on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:48 am

David Davis branded 'thick as mince' in astonishing attack from brains behind Brexit campaign

The brains behind the Vote Leave campaign has branded the Brexit secretary "thick as mince" in a scathing Twitter broadside. Dominic Cummings, the man behind the infamous ‘£350m a week for the NHS’ bus pledge, said David Davis was “as lazy as a toad”. And he said the Brexit secretary was the "perfect stooge" for top civil servants.

Over a series of tweets, Cummings went on to claim that it was “very likely” the PM had not been briefed on the repeal bill, and that neither she nor cabinet ministers understood it.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-davis-branded-thick-mince-10816816
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:38 pm

"The author of Article 50 has called for Brexit to be halted, warning that the “disastrous consequences” of Britain's decision to leave the bloc are becoming "clearer every day".

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard is one of more than 60 prominent figures in Scotland who signed a joint letter saying that Brexit has seriously damaged the UK's international reputation.

The peer, who was Britain’s permanent representative at the EU for five years from 1990, said when he wrote Article 50 – the clause in the EU’s Lisbon Treaty that outlines the steps a country must take to leave the bloc voluntarily – he believed it would only ever be triggered by a dictatorial regime."



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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:51 am

So much has happened, it may seem like it was only yesterday that Theresa May began spouting the (meaningless) phrase, "Brexit means Brexit" - but it was actually 54 weeks ago.  Right-wing media are reluctant to let go of it, as can be seen from today's attempt to play keepie-uppie.

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Post by Ivan on Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:29 pm

As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed

From an article by Steve Bullock:-

"For anyone following Brexit developments, the last week should have shown that the level of complexity involved in Brexit is unprecedented. Ministers however seem to have inserted their heads firmly into the sand, hoping tricky problems will just go away.

Who knew a fortnight ago that leaving the apparently obscure Euratom Treaty would jeopardise not only the UK nuclear industry, but also the supply of medical isotopes for cancer treatment? All that matters to the government, apparently, is that Euratom is within the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, so it has to go. Did anybody realise that the work needed to establish a new customs IT system was unlikely to be done in time, and what that would mean? Was everyone already aware that UK airlines like easyJet would need to set up in the EU27 and Ryanair might move its planes to EU27 countries due to the UK leaving the Open Skies Agreement? Well, some people knew, but they’re just experts, so have been largely ignored.

The UK does not have its own capacity to do things like certify maintenance facilities if it leaves the European Aviation Safety Agency. The UK won’t be able to certify the people that fix the planes. As with so many of these issues, the UK will either have to negotiate to remain in the agency (which is within the dreaded European Court of Justice’s jurisdiction), or establish its own capacity to replace what it does from a standing start in only 20 months. UK NGOs such as Oxfam will not be eligible for EU grants post-Brexit. With only a few small exceptions, only NGOs from EU countries, and the partner countries themselves, can implement EU aid programmes.

There are literally hundreds of such issues where the effects of Brexit will be detrimental to the UK. Brexit would have been a terrible idea even if done as well as possible, but for the government to blithely march the country towards consequences that they don’t even themselves understand is an appalling dereliction of duty.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html
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Some people may think they voted for something different

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:28 pm

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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:00 pm

When the cat's away, the mice will play. The Leader of the Tory Party will address its Annual Conference in October. But who will that actually be? This week Theresa May has been on holiday, but others are pronouncing policy in her absence anyway, suggesting that far from "No Deal being better than a bad one" - negotiations surrounding a Brexit could continue indefinitely.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:24 am

A second Brexit referendum? It’s looking more likely by the day

From an article by Vernon Bogdanor:-

Both membership of the single market and a customs agreement would require us to accept much EU legislation without being able to help formulate it – including any legislation the EU chooses to enact in future. We would become, in effect, a satellite of the EU, relying on the Commission or other member states to defend our interests. Such an outcome – regulation without representation – proved unacceptable to Americans in the 18th century. It would probably prove equally unacceptable to the British people in the 21st. There is no logic to a “soft” Brexit – a form of withdrawal that mimics EU membership, but without the influence that comes from membership. The ultimate choice we face is either “hard” Brexit or remain.

Britain will be negotiating, therefore, for a free trade agreement in a “hard” Brexit. If one leaves a tennis club because one does not wish to pay the subscription and does not like the rules yet still wishes to play tennis, one’s leverage is not strong. In addition, a trade agreement would probably have to be ratified unanimously by the European Council, by a majority in the European Parliament, and 27 national and 11 regional parliaments – and we are up against a two-year time limit. There is, apparently, a Japanese saying to the effect that the shorter the time limit, the deeper your wallet needs to be.

Some British politicians suffer from an imperial reflex, however. For them, Britain lies at the centre of the world. We only have to state our aims and other countries will be generous enough to help us achieve them. Last year Brexiteers argued that Britain should leave an EU composed of ill-intentioned foreigners whose interests were in conflict with its own. This year it has been magically transformed into a charitable institution that can be relied on to safeguard our interests.

May called an election to strengthen her negotiating hand, but there is probably no Commons majority for her version of Brexit. Indeed, there is probably a stronger representation of remain MPs in Parliament today than before the election. With a deadlocked Parliament, the possibility of an unfavourable deal and both parties divided on Europe, it may start to appear that the only way out of the impasse is a second referendum in which the government’s deal is put it to the people for legitimation.


For the whole article:-
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/03/second-brexit-referendum-case-getting-stronger-political-deadlock-life-raft
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Post by Ivan on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:55 pm

Former EU official: Conservative Brexit strategy the most harmful government policy for over 50 years

"The decisions taken by the former PM David Cameron, exacerbated by the decisions taken by his successor, are the most harmful decisions that have been taken by a British government for decades" said Sir Michael Leigh, who was a European Commission director-general from 2006 to 2011. "You have to go back to the Suez crisis in 1956 or to Munich in 1938 to find decisions taken by a British government that will turn out in time to have had such negative consequences for the United Kingdom."

He echoed concerns expressed by other former diplomats that May's government is both unprepared and ill-equipped for divorce talks with EU negotiators. One of the big problems hindering progress, Leigh claims, is the difficulty facing the EU in trusting the British government when it is so obviously divided over so many key issues. "Under these conditions, Barnier has got to be concerned that anything Davis says on any given day could be contradicted the next day by another cabinet minister.”


http://uk.businessinsider.com/sir-michael-leigh-may-brexit-munich-1938-2017-8
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Post by Ivan on Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:00 pm

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:40 pm

David Miliband wants a re-run of the referendum. Practically guaranteed. (?)
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When the cat's away ....

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:16 pm

Tory hardliners emerge as cabinet's Brexit war winners



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-hardliners-emerge-as-cabinets-brexit-war-winners/ar-AAq894h?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

The political parties will be holding Annual Conference in October. Suppose TM then commands, "Back me or sack me!" Will any Tory challenger risk picking up the option and thus precipitating ANOTHER general election? Mr. Corbyn's supporters must fervently hope so - it would be 1997 all over again.
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Post by boatlady on Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:59 pm

I long for another General Election - it won't solve the problems we now have - but it might be the beginning of preventing things getting worse
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Post by Ivan on Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:47 pm

UK offers climbdown on European courts deciding cross-border cases

Britain will be subject to the rulings of European courts after Brexit, the government has conceded, in an apparent climbdown from its promise of judicial independence.

In the latest in a series of policy papers that seek to blur the edges of hard Brexit, the government argues that for the smooth settlement of cross-border disputes it is necessary that foreign judgments sometimes apply to individuals and businesses in the UK.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/21/brexit-paper-backs-away-from-pms-promise-of-judicial-independence
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Conservatives come together to sell a Brexit transition

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:45 pm

The Brexit team are trying to kick the can further down the road. Just take a couple of years longer to sort things out.
How is that going to help the ailing British economy?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/conservatives-come-together-to-sell-a-brexit-transition/ar-AAqWxMR?li=BBx1bGE&ocid=ientp

Is anyone still in charge?
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Would you buy a second-hand car from this man?

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Well there's a surprise

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:32 am



"A United States of Europe" was clearly the intention as far back as General DeGaulle, who hated everybody but particularly the USA to whom he hated being beholden for having rescued his Country from the Nazis.  Creating the Euro had the specific purpose of providing an alternative reserve currency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency
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Now it's getting silly

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:34 am

Merkel’s message to Theresa May: Brexit means Brexit

Britain wants to pick up the pace. EU negotiators in Brussels are taking their time. Blackmail and sabotage, cry Westminster’s Brexiters. The explanation is more prosaic. The more urgent a deal begins to seem for Britain, the higher the incentives stack in favour of a stalling strategy from the EU27.

This, of course, is how the process was designed. Article 50 of the union’s treaty was written to discourage nations from leaving. As soon as Theresa May set the article’s two-year clock ticking in March, she conceded the advantage to those sitting on the other side of the table. The PM was warned of the danger by her advisers. But that was before she had lost an election and Britain had to confront the hard reality that it cannot have its cake and eat it.


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/merkel%e2%80%99s-message-to-theresa-may-brexit-means-brexit/ar-AArU0Zu?li=BBx1bGE&ocid=iehp

"Misreading Bonn and later Berlin has been one of the more reliable threads of 44 years of British EU membership."
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Post by sickchip on Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:47 pm

As someone who voted remain I would like to apologise. I realise now I was entirely wrong, and would like to apologise for arguing here, and on other sites, against those who voted to leave.

BREXIT is clearly the best thing for Britain and was the right decision by a wise, and insightful, electorate.

Once again I apologise for ever doubting Brexit was the right decision.

I can't believe I ever doubted it would all go so well, and that we Brits can now look forward to a bright, happy, and prosperous future.
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Post by boatlady on Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:40 pm

It does really seem to be going terribly well, doesn't it?
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:33 am

The thot plickens!

"The Daily Express says French President Emmanuel Macron plans to offer the UK a flexible new EU membership deal - with the backing of German Chancellor Angela Merkel."



http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/photos/what-the-papers-say-a-look-at-todays-front-pages/ss-BBufa43?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout#image=3
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Post by Ivan on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:42 pm

Brexit: 'Zero chance' leaving EU will make Britons better off, Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman says

Paul Krugman has said there is “zero chance” Brexit will boost trade and has slapped down suggestions that leaving the European Union will make Britons better off. He rejected the assertions of Brexiteers that leaving the single market and customs union will ultimately help the UK export more to the rest of the world.

“I don’t think there’s any plausible case that Brexit is a good thing for the British economy as a whole”, Krugman said. The overwhelming majority of trade economists are in agreement that leaving the EU is likely to harm the economy.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-paul-krugman-zero-chance-britain-better-off-eu-leave-single-market-custom-union-exports-trade-a7965871.html
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:15 am

The theory runs that once out of the EU's clutches, Britain can make its fortune by dealing directly with places like the US, China, India etc. But Trump's USA has just poured cold water on our ideas, with a "straw in the wind" action:

America's Department of Commerce announced yesterday it had made a preliminary finding that the Canadian firm Bombardier had received unfair state subsidies and sold its C Series jet below costs. It has now imposed an interim tariff of 219.63 per cent on the company's new commercial jets to the US. Bombardier, which is one of Northern Ireland's largest employers, has branded the ruling "absurd".

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-bitterly-disappointed-over-bombardier-tariffs-in-boeing-feud/ar-AAsvIJ9?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=iehp
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Post by Ivan on Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:16 pm

Reader comment from the FT......


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Post by boatlady on Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:37 pm

nicely put
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:03 pm

Michael Foot has up to now been credited with authorship of "The longest suicide-note in history".

How else could you describe Brexit?
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Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:59 pm

Theresa May under pressure over ‘secret advice’ on halting Brexit

From an article by Toby Helm:-

Theresa May is under pressure to publish secret legal advice that is believed to state that Parliament could still stop Brexit before the end of March 2019 if MPs judge that a change of mind is in the national interest. The move comes as concern grows that exit talks with Brussels are heading for disaster. The calls for the PM to reveal advice from the country’s top legal experts follow government statements declaring that Brexit is now unstoppable, and that MPs will have to choose between whatever deal is on offer next year – even if it is a bad one – or no deal at all.

Nick Clegg has said: “The claim that Article 50 is irreversible was always a myth put about by Brexiters who want to stop the British people from changing their minds. Theresa May’s threat that MPs will have to vote for whatever deal she presents to them next autumn, otherwise the UK will crash out of the EU without a deal, is also patent nonsense. Article 50 was never the one-way conveyor belt to Brexit as claimed by the government. It can be stopped at any point.” He said that MPs should ask themselves one question when they come to vote in a year’s time: “Does the deal measure up to the promises made by Brexiters to their constituents before the referendum? If not, MPs should reject the deal, urge the government and the EU to stop the clock, and give the country the opportunity to think again.”


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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:05 pm

"give the country the opportunity to think again."

Or to put it another way, keep having referenda until the thick voters get it right!
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Post by boatlady on Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:53 pm

and this, of course, is why the referendum was such a stupid idea in the first place - if you think voters are thick, why ask them to decide a really complex issue?
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Our wonderful negotiators have a plan

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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:03 pm

The only explanation for the British posture over Brexit negotiations is that we are trying to confuse the other side with a pretense of total incompetence.

It's working so far.
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Post by boatlady on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:49 pm

Certainly is - either that, or our negotiators are completely incompetent and we're f*cked
Time for a new government methinks
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:18 am

"The EU risks triggering another financial meltdown if it punishes the City to make a 'political point' about Brexit", the chief executive of the London Stock Exchange warned today. Xavier Rolet said any attempt to seize back euro trading would lead to unacceptable 'systemic financial risk'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4992010/EU-warned-risks-financial-meltdown-punishing-City.html#ixzz4vqsl9vsP


Well he would say that, wouldn't he?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:34 pm

It's the only publication worth reading these days.

Luckily Mrs H bought me a subscription for Christmas last year - I hadn't read it for about 15 years before that...
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Brexit means Brexit

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:35 pm

This government has "nailed our colours to the mast." (Brexit means Brexit. Reattach the Great to Britain!)

Would any party have the nerve to throw everything into reverse - and would the EU agree to a volte- face on the terms Britain enjoyed pre-referendum?

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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 pm

I think that if the reality of Brexit were explained in all its aspects - simply and clearly - many people would change their minds. You must know that many people really have no idea of all the implications, they simply vote on their 'gut' feeling.  Oh, and their age. Try and tell old people that the 'good old days' of the 1960's was actually the country  sliding into economic ruin - until we joined the CM and changed our strategy. They don't want to understand or know the truth. They want to be 'free' in a world where Nothing is free. We are all subject to rules and regulations. We are not free to travel widely - except that at countries permission. We can't fly over another country without permission. We are bound by International Agreements and Conventions as well as our own laws.  

Donne had it right  'No man is an island'. Neither is any country.

Britain never has been Great - except in the terms of military power.  It has relied on conquest, rape and pillage of other nations natural resources, slavery and ...  oo-er.

Is it comfortable in the Tower of London?
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