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Isn’t the 83% increase in youth unemployment since January proof enough that this government’s policies are a failure?

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Isn’t the 83% increase in youth unemployment since January proof enough that this government’s policies are a failure?

Post by Ivan on Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:37 pm

The number of 16 to 24-year-olds looking for work increased by 67,000 in the quarter to September to 1.02 million, the worst total since comparable records began in 1992.
The unemployment rate among 16 to 24-year-olds is now 21.9%, also a record.
Total unemployment rose by 129,000 in the latest quarter to 2.62 million, the worst figure since 1994, giving a jobless rate of 8.3%, the highest since 1996.
Other data from the Office for National Statistics showed a 5,300 increase in the number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance in October to 1.6 million, the eighth consecutive monthly rise and the highest total since the start of 2010.
Meanwhile, the number of people in employment fell by 197,000 in the quarter to September to 29.07 million, the lowest figure for over a year.


For the full article:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/youth-unemployment-level-shocking-6262890.html

The Labour Party has come up with a five-point plan for jobs:-
1. A £2 billion tax on bank bonuses to fund 100,000 jobs for young people and build 25,000 more affordable homes.
2. Bringing forward long-term investment projects.
3. Reversing January's damaging VAT rise.
4. A one year cut in VAT to 5% on home improvements, repairs and maintenance
5. A one year national insurance tax break for every small firm which takes on extra workers

For more details:-
http://www.labour.org.uk/plan

Employment Minister Chris Grayling said: "These figures show just how much our economy is being affected by the crisis in the eurozone". Yes of course, Mr Grayling, you can’t really blame Gordon Brown for all the ills of the world any longer, so let’s blame the eurozone. Why not try putting the blame where it really belongs for once – on this corrupt and incompetent Tory-dominated government of overgrown public schoolboys who haven’t a clue what to do? A PM whose CV includes ‘Black Wednesday’ and helping Carlton TV to lose millions of pounds, and a Chancellor whose previous work experience was helping in daddy’s wallpaper shop and folding towels in Selfridges. A clueless Foreign Secretary who announced to the world that Gaddafi was on his way to Libya, while Oliver Letwin and Vince Cable fill up public litter bins with confidential papers. And that’s before we mention Fox’s antics, Coulson, a Home Secretary who lies through her back teeth, Lansley dismantling the NHS, Hammond stashing his wealth overseas, and both Cameron and Hunt deep inside the pocket of the Murdoch family. How much longer must we suffer the worst government in living memory?


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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:17 pm

" Proof that this government's policies are a failure" ?

On the contrary - the government's policies are, sadly, achieving just what they were intended to do...
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:38 pm

Devil take the hindmost, enshrined in Tory policy.

We've had enough warnings since 3rd. May 1979, but here they are back in government again.
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Post by astradt1 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:09 pm

Dominic Raab, Conservative MP, Suggests Suspending Minimum Wage For Young People

On the day youth unemployment hit the million mark, a Conservative MP has called for the minimum wage to be lifted to help young people gain work.

Dominic Raab said the minimum wage could be "hurting" job prospects of young people, in an article setting out ways to boost growth in the UK.

"Why not suspend the minimum wage for 16 to 21 year olds working for small businesses, in order to give them a foot on the ladder? The talented and hard-working won’t stay on the bottom rung for long, but they must first be given the chance to work."

The Esher and Walton MP also suggested loosening some employment rights to "encourage business to create more jobs overall, by reducing the risk and costs of being burdened with slack or under performing staff."

You can always rely on a Tory to rub salt in wounds......Perhaps he would volunteer to live for a couple of months on minimum wage.............I won't hold my breath on that one.......

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Our youngsters not being able to get jobs

Post by Frances Fox on Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:13 pm

The trouble is that firms send people to Britain from the poor countries and get them to work in Britain pushing our people out of jobs just for greed. You cannot blame the people who come here when they only earn a couple of pounds for a week where they come from but you can blame the firms doing this not only by their own representatives but agencies as well. The Government should stop this immediately and give our youngsters a chance. All the job centre can do is to give our youngsters a telephone number to ring for a job that has long been gone before they give the number to the youngster. The front line staff do not get the messages taken by different staff who have been told jobs have been filled.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:39 pm

For at least fifty years, the last place anyone would expect to find a decent job would have been the Labour Exchange/Job Centre/Job Centre Plus, because these are just cosmetic devices to massage the conscience of the administration.
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Post by Ivan on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:23 pm

Does anyone remember this Tory election poster from 2010?

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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:46 pm

No criticism of Gordon from anyone now for keeping Britain out of the Euro!
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Post by Frances Fox on Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:08 am

In 1986 the Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher signed the Single European Treaty changing EEC to EC which introduced European Control of Lawmaking, Foreign Policy, Employment and Regional Development so is that why none of the following governments could stop Agencies going to other countries to bring back cheap labour pushing our people out of jobs.
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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:32 am

Frances Fox wrote:
In 1986 the Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher signed the Single European Treaty changing EEC to EC which introduced European Control of Lawmaking, Foreign Policy, Employment and Regional Development so is that why none of the following governments could stop Agencies going to other countries to bring back cheap labour pushing our people out of jobs.

So isn't it past time that your United Kingdom become united in regaining your sovereignty? Tell the bums to butt out of your business. I guarantee you that we'll back y'all up. So will your Commonwealth allies.
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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:34 am

oftenwrong wrote:
No criticism of Gordon from anyone now for keeping Britain out of the Euro!

There ought to be praise!
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Post by True Blue on Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:58 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
So isn't it past time that your United Kingdom become united in regaining your sovereignty? Tell the bums to butt out of your business. I guarantee you that we'll back y'all up. So will your Commonwealth allies.

The Commonwealth will not necessarily back y'all up! Canada is heavily entailed economically towards trade with the US. Australia and New Zealand to the Asia Pacific Region.

I guess that the UK could do their bit to raise the standards of the many developing countries of the Commonwealth instead of abusing their purchasing power by allowing the abusive employment structures of these developing nations to continue unchallenged.

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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:45 am

True Blue wrote:
RockOnBrother wrote:
So isn't it past time that your United Kingdom become united in regaining your sovereignty? Tell the bums to butt out of your business. I guarantee you that we'll back y'all up. So will your Commonwealth allies.
The Commonwealth will not necessarily back y'all up! Canada is heavily entailed economically towards trade with the US. Australia and New Zealand to the Asia Pacific Region.

I guess that the UK could do their bit to raise the standards of the many developing countries of the Commonwealth instead of abusing their purchasing power by allowing the abusive employment structures of these developing nations to continue unchallenged.

First of all, my Aussie friend (is “Ozzie” the correct pronunciation?), I disagree. When push comes to shove, as in 1982 when y’all “turned the ship around” to join the British fleet on its way to the Falklands, Aussies come through for their British brothers, no matter how crappy current and past UK governments have been in heir attitudes and policies towards Australia.

That disagreement aside, please explain exactly what you mean by “abusing their purchasing power by allowing the abusive employment structures of these developing nations to continue unchallenged”, if you would.

Perhaps you are unaware of my attitude towards Australia. More than one US military (Navy and Army) loved one has done tad/tdy in Australia. You and your countrymen /countrywomen have treated each of them so well that I cannot adequately describe their gratitude (and mine) in words. Tied on my list of places I’ve never been that I want to be are Adelaide and Auckland, across the Tasman Sea east southeast from Australia. When I think of and try to buy “Made in America”, Hobart counts.


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Post by Frances Fox on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:09 am

Well UKIP is trying very hard to get people to join UKIP be Councilliors and MPs in order to get Britain out of the EVIL UNION.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:11 am

Frances Fox wrote:Well UKIP is trying very hard to get people to join UKIP be Councilliors and MPs in order to get Britain out of the EVIL UNION.

As also is the German Finance Minister, Wolfgang Schäuble: "One day the whole of Europe will have a single currency, and perhaps it will happen more quickly than many people on the British island think."
(DPA News agency)

"What is England still doing in the EU?" Bild

"Das Kranke Empire" Der Spiegel

"British furious about German dominance in Europe." Die Welt
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Post by True Blue on Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:48 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
True Blue wrote:
RockOnBrother wrote:
So isn't it past time that your United Kingdom become united in regaining your sovereignty? Tell the bums to butt out of your business. I guarantee you that we'll back y'all up. So will your Commonwealth allies.
The Commonwealth will not necessarily back y'all up! Canada is heavily entailed economically towards trade with the US. Australia and New Zealand to the Asia Pacific Region.

I guess that the UK could do their bit to raise the standards of the many developing countries of the Commonwealth instead of abusing their purchasing power by allowing the abusive employment structures of these developing nations to continue unchallenged.
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First of all, my Aussie friend (is “Ozzie” the correct pronunciation?), I disagree. When push comes to shove, as in 1982 when y’all “turned the ship around” to join the British fleet on its way to the Falklands, Aussies come through for their British brothers, no matter how crappy current and past UK governments have been in heir attitudes and policies towards Australia.

Yes 'Ozzie' is how it is said. Otherwise, I dont know how you made the leap from economic partnerships to war allies. Of course we are allies and of course we would join the British in a bit of biffo at the expense of the Spanish. But that does not mean we would seek significant economic ties with the UK.

That disagreement aside, please explain exactly what you mean by “abusing their purchasing power by allowing the abusive employment structures of these developing nations to continue unchallenged”, if you would.

The High Streets are full of leather and gold products from their African Commonwealth Nations. Those who work the mines, the slaughter houses, leather factories get only enough to feed and shelter themselves. They work under the most despicable of conditions... conditions that are not unlike those of the Industrial Revolution at its worst. I can think of no one in the UK who would tolerate such conditions, yet they will allow others to suffer (and ignorance is no excuse) so that they may get the cheapest goods available.

Australia is also complicate, but not as much as the UK. Due to our distance we tend towards Chinese goods... and their work conditions are far superior to those on offer in Africa.

Perhaps you are unaware of my attitude towards Australia. More than one US military (Navy and Army) loved one has done tad/tdy in Australia. You and your countrymen /countrywomen have treated each of them so well that I cannot adequately describe their gratitude (and mine) in words. Tied on my list of places I’ve never been that I want to be are Adelaide and Auckland, across the Tasman Sea east southeast from Australia. When I think of and try to buy “Made in America”, Hobart counts.

The average Aussie in the street and people we work with will say as you have that Australia and Australians are wonderful... And I'm not going to dispute them. I love living in Australia. I think it's pretty wonderful too. However, we are not very good at customer service.

As to Auckland and Adelaide, you are not missing anything. Auckland is an ugly city as far as cities go and tragically out of place when compared to the many, smaller cities of New Zealand. Adelaide is boring but pretty. Now Melbourne on the other hand is a vibrant city and well worth a visit. Melbourne was also voted the most liveable city in the world for 2011. Very Cool.
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Post by True Blue on Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:53 am

PS: Regarding the title of this thread. I don't think that the rise in youth unemployment is evidence of the Governments failure. Job for the youth are always the first to go during an economic downturn. Most likely it is a cultural thing with employers showing a preference for the family man and woman... but also, because of an increase in the pool of available labour, employers get to pick the cream of the crop which very rarely includes the youth who lack the required experience in comparison.

You can't blame the Government for the actions of employers.
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Post by NIN on Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:14 pm

Cannot believe we are being ruled by the Nazi's and the French,,A UNIFIED EUROPE,,wasnt that the dream of Adolph Hitler and his Nazi party?,,,and just how many unelected technocrats are now running nations that no member of the populace voted for,,people in the uk are now being told to remove things from their cv's as these are the reasons why they cannot get a job,,for instance i was told to remove the 25 yrs of on the job training and experience,,,,,,,and just state that i have on the job blah nlah blah,,because according to the dole when employers see i this they will assume i am old and past it,,and will just throw my application in the bin,,of course it is all a load of bollox,,i have at my disposal a building that employs 150 people to help me get a job,,i say all i need do is speak in a polish accent or rub boot polish into my skin and call myself abdul, and i would have a job within 20 minutes.

just as under german/nazi rule,,the jews were persecuted,,soon english people will be forced to wear armbands with the st georges cross on them.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:53 pm

" english people will be forced to wear armbands with the st georges cross on them."

We're years ahead of you. Every time there's a World Cup, people use stage make-up to depict St George's Cross on their face. Or have a flag on their car and house.
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Post by NIN on Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:55 pm

We're years ahead of you. Every time there's a World Cup, people use stage make-up to depict St George's Cross on their face. Or have a flag on their car and house.



i said forced,,,not use their own free will.

your postings are as non-sensical on here as they were on msn.
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Post by jackthelad on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:05 pm

I think you live in a fantasy land if you believe the English will be forced to wear a St George's arm band. Nazi Germany made jews wear the star of David to distinguish German jews from ordinary Germans. It was a religious thing, you couldn't say it was national because there was no state of Israel, a jewish state was only a pipe dream.
Nothing non-sensical about Oftenwrongs statement, the English are always proud to wear the cross of St George, and they will never have to be cohearsed into wearing it or wave it. Facists will never ever get control in England, or anywhere in the Britain Isle's, for that matter. The BNP, and that English nationalist party, whatever they call it will never make it into power. I gather they are the parties that you would support, you spout the same sort of rhetoric.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:14 pm

Quote NIN on oftenwrong : " your postings are as non-sensical on here as they were on msn.."

Yes, ow , it really is time you bucked up your ideas and started to post contributions which could be compared to others whose names we won't mention.....for their sake... Laughing





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Post by NIN on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:39 pm

I think you live in a fantasy land



I think youre the type of person that that Anders bloke would kill,,given the chance..

i also think you are terrified of anyone who isnt a left leaning lunatic.

but hey,,,thats your problemo,,not mine.
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Post by jackthelad on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:49 pm

Sorry mate, by the tone of your posts it is you that as the problem, and as far Anders is concerned, he didn't shoot any particular person. He just shot anyone he had seen, that bomb he planted, what particular person was that intended for. He was moaning about immigrants, but the people he was shooting was just ordinary Norwegians in the main. I think you are as sick in the head as Anders.
But as you say that is your problem not mine.
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Post by NIN on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:55 pm

he shot people like you..left wing socialists who wont accept that their utopia cannot exist,,,oh and their children too,,,just why were they meeting on that island?,,,,oh yeah to discuss how they could continue ruling over norway for the next few decades.

labours youth wing,,,hitler had one of those too.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:03 pm

First the man takes a drink; then the drink takes a drink.... Smile
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Post by astra on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:48 pm

labour's youth wing - is it not "New Labour's" youth wing??


At the very least, Hitler jurgen were taught to fly, to sail, to ski, and to drive cross country - apart from languages, decoding and many other "harmless" pursuits on the run up to a sojourn to Warsaw!
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:33 pm

You couldn't make it up.


Sorry! Sorry!
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Post by NIN on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:59 pm

You couldn't make it up.



Why not?,,,Tony Bliar did.,,,and only the future knows whether he gets away with it or not.
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Post by astra on Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:34 pm

Hech Hech!!!!!!!
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Post by blueturando on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Can anyone enlighten me to where in Europe has youth unemployment decreased over the last year?
I am making an educated guess here, but could there possibly be a EU recession/Slowdown in the making??? (Note my hint of sarcasm)

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:49 pm

Company in adversity is indeed a comfort.

(They're as bad as us so we can't be all that bad.)

The outgoing Labour policy was intended to have been a gradual adjustment to the changed circumstances post-credit-crunch, but Georgie Osborne elected a shit-or-bust programme in the Tory tradition of making the Poor pay.

Obviously it didn't work, but the Autumn Statement will solve everything. Won't it?
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Post by witchfinder on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:49 pm

German youth unemployment rate 9%

Dutch youth unemployment rate 7%

British youth unemployment rate 21%

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/15/apprenticeships-youth-unemployment_n_1095123.html

There is no trend in either the EU or in the Eurozone which suggests that a Europe or Euro-wide problem is the key cause, infact the differences in youth unemployment in individual states within the Eurozone are immense.

From the 7% in the Netherlands to over 50% in Spain, both EU members and both members of the Eurozone.

The major factor ( based on evidence ) must be individual governments policies, and the policies of the British government are not working.

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Post by Ivan on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:06 pm

blueturando. Good to see you back with us again.

The Tories implied that their policies would reverse the trend in rising youth unemployment (see the election poster featuring Gordon Brown on the first page of messages). Instead, their policies have merely aggravated the problem, while the withdrawal of the EMA and the massive hike in tuition fees has discouraged some young people from becoming students.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:34 pm

Things We Shall Not Hear Cameron Say ( No 276)


( telegraph.co.uk)

" I always knew full well that I would make no effort to resolve the matter of youth unemployment - about which I have no interest - and only criticised the Labour Government about it because I am a shocking opportunist who was simply desperate to be elected as Prime Minister at any cost.."
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Post by blueturando on Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:32 pm

What I cannot work out is the morons who spout their rubbish on Tv all the time saying we need more immigration to boost the economy, yet we have so many people unemployed.
Why can't our governments of any colour sort out our education system and train our youngsters to undertake the jobs that need filling. There is no point importing more and more foreign workers in just to leave many hundreds of thousands to a life of benefit dependency.

The coalition needs to re-look at the EU treaty and demand curbs on the number of foreign workers who can come to the UK. If you don't have a government who can look after it's own people, then what's the point of having a government (or is that the future plan...A European government only) Both Labour & the Coalition have failed us on this issue

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:23 pm

.... the morons who spout their rubbish on Tv all the time ....

"All the time"? How could I have missed that?
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Post by blueturando on Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:57 pm

Knit picking....but I applaud you for the maturity on show Smile

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Re: Isn’t the 83% increase in youth unemployment since January proof enough that this government’s policies are a failure?

Post by Shirina on Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:02 pm

There is no point importing more and more foreign workers in just to leave many hundreds of thousands to a life of benefit dependency.

Sure there is a point ... and that point is £, €, and $.

I think someone posted an interesting article about how the CEO of Isuzu in Britain said she refused to hire young people because it cost too much to train them for two years. Now, if the government were willing to step in and pay the salaries of these new hires until they became productive, well ....

With that in mind, you can see where things are headed. Why train local youths to work when your company can import immigrants who already have experience working those jobs? Let Britain's youth flounder about while bringing immigrants in right over their heads. In America, much of the same is happening, and even now, today's generation of potential is being called "The Lost Generation." It would seem Indians, Arabs, and the Orientals will be tomorrow's new Yuppie.

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Re: Isn’t the 83% increase in youth unemployment since January proof enough that this government’s policies are a failure?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:47 pm

The same old "Catch 22" applies in surprisingly many cases. If you want work you must have experience, but you can only get that experience at work.

Many recent Graduates from university have hit that wall where a prospective Employer is not interested in a paper qualification, but wants to know what you have DONE. Hence the intern, prepared to work for nothing.
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