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Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

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Post by NIN on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:05 pm

Just wondering why our grandparents bothered liberating europe from germanys grip,,all those tens of millions of brave men and women who gave their lifes so as to stop the german domination of europe did so for nothing.

all these unelected govts ruling people who never voted for them,,or even given the RIGHT to vote for them.

that german hag who has no shoulders called angela,,has told our leader that the british people dont want any referendums on anything to do with europe.

well all i can say is that im sorry that of the seven german bastards whom my grandfather slaughtered during ww2,,angelas parents were not amongst them.
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Post by witchfinder on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:40 pm

Without that German woman ( Angela Merkel ) the EU and Britain may well be in a fine mess, all our government does is look after our self interest and never considers the mutual interest of the whole of Europe whom we depend upon so much.

I am afraid that David Cameron and those that think like him belong in the past, as Europeans we depend on each other for trade and business, we either prop each other up or we all colapse in a heap.

Its about time that Euro-sceptics were put in their place and given some harsh facts, we will not be able to do free trade with Europe if we left the EU, and our economy would go down the drain pretty fast for certain.

The German leader has shown leadership on a European scale, as has Nicolas Sarkozy, whilst our leader is laughed and joked about behind his back because thats what he is - a joke.

I agree totaly with what a leading Conservative elder "Michael Heseltine" said this morning, that sooner or later Britain will join the Euro, and so it should.



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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:27 pm

Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Blimey, Mate. Have you seen the ones who WERE elected?
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:04 am

My grandfather would have put a bullet through your head witchy,,and had you said that during ww2 you would have been shot for being a traitor.

i notice switzerland does ok,,,,not being part of the euro and eu.(MIND YOU THATS NO SURPRISE REALLY THEIR BANKS ARE FULL OF NAZI GOLD,,most of which was pulled from the gums of jewish people)


people like you witchy are the reason why people like that anders bloke exist,,,,,,and i wouldnt be so sure of your unified european dream, people are getting angry....and anders is only the begining.


like i said our grandparents did not sacrifice their lifes so we could be lorded over by german nazis.

any how,,just like the last 2 times they tried to rule europe,,it looks like it's all going tits up,,,and when 85% of this nations population dont want to be in the euro,,or eu

just watch the riots then.

Edited to remove unacceptable language. Ivan.


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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:26 am

Its about time that Euro-sceptics were put in their place


And just where would that be?.......the gas ovens.
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Without that German woman ( Angela Merkel ) the EU and Britain may well be in a fine mess


Well i dont know what planet you are living on,,,but if you havent been paying attention,,let me tell you,,they are in a fine mess.

and you still havent explained as to why unelected govts are being put in place throughout europe.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:05 am

The explanation is the same one given by Companies that have lost their way - "we need to bring in the experts". In economic crisis it may seem logical to appoint economists where the politicians are so clearly floundering.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:24 am

keep hearing this word..............may

dont hear.........will.
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Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:29 am

Oh and since the politicians do what their economists tell them in regards to the economy,,your answer is feeble and pathetic at most.

one only needs look at Gordon Brown to see how good a job an economists makes of running a nation,,,so well in-fact that labour went on to get booted out of power...and everyone in the uk is now £40'000 in debt to some faceless thing.

debt = slavery
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:36 am

" ..."we need to bring in the experts"..."

I seem to recall once being told that the definition of an 'expert 'was : 'somebody brought in at the last minute to share the blame'... Smile
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Post by witchfinder on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:19 pm

For the benefit of NIN

The government ( elected government ) of Italy is a coalition with no overal political party having a majority, so in effect the Primeminister could be from one of a number of political parties which make up the coalition, similar to the situation here except of course the Conservatives make up by far the largest portion of the coalition.

The new Primeminister in Italy has not resulted in a change of government, only a change in leader, and the new Primeminister of Italy is an independent not representative of any political party, the recent changes in Italy do not amount to an unelected government.

A similar situation to what has happened in Italy has also happened here in the UK several times, most recently when Gordon Brown took over as Primeminister from Tony Blair, but again this was not a change of government.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:26 pm

yes witchy...i know


we here in the uk,,,have an unelected govt too,,the message sent out at the last elections was plain and simple and that message wasnt we want a coalition govt it was,,,,WE DONT WANT ANY OF YOU GOVERNING US ANYMORE,,,IF WE DID,,,ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE A MAJORITY.

the next elections will be very good for the likes of -UKIP and the BNP,,loving this swing to the right throughout europe.


WHY ARE GREEK PEOPLE PRINTING PICTURES OF MRS NO-NECK DRESSED AS A NAZI AND GIVING A SALUTE(god that must hurt you) AS THESE TYPES OF THING ARE USUALLY AIMED AT THE LIKES OF NICK GRIFFIN AND HITLER?
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:41 pm

Which one of these is you, NIN? ....

London: Carlos Cortiglia (londonpress@bnp.org.uk – 07973 387 158)
South East: Tim Rait (southeastpress@bnp.org.uk – 07968 970 023)
Wales: John Walker (walespress@bnp.org.uk – 07543 819 281)
South West: Mick Simpkins (southwestpress@bnp.org.uk – 07792 270 780)
North West: Derek Adams (northwestpress@bnp.org.uk – 07513 470 349)
North East: Mark Walker (northeastpress@bnp.org.uk – 07957 777 521)
West Mids: James Whittall (westmidspress@bnp.org.uk – 07913 055 566)
East Mids: John Ryde (eastmidspress@bnp.org.uk – 07913 055 566)
Scotland: David Smith
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by Ivan on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:58 pm

throbbo wrote:-
the next elections will be very good for the likes of - UKIP and the BNP
LOL. Here are the latest figures from YouGov:-
Lab 40%, Cons 36%, Lib Dems 9%, UKIP 7%, SNP/Plaid Cymru 4%, Green 2%, BNP 1%, Others 1%.

Wow, I'm sure Nick Griffin must be making his plans to move into Downing Street.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:23 pm

Could be the first recorded incident of tenants trashing a property on the way IN!
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:04 pm

Until yougov knock on my door and ask me,,,i dont believe any of their statistics.

still no one has answered the question,,,with a credible answer

so i will ask it again

Why are unelected govts,,popping up all over europe.

do you know the answer or are you too stupid?
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Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Lets not start ganging up on people who are not left wing socialists, you may find you are abusing their human right to debate,,and i dont think that is the purpose of these boards,,and i also find it a little harsh,,since i recieved a personal invite from ivan himself.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by astradt1 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:14 pm

What is the answer that you would be happy with then Nin?

More often than not people on forums only ask questions to which they believe they have an answer.............And they will keep repeating the question until they feel their answer has been confirmed as the right one....

At least Italy now as some one who understands Finance and is unlikely to be bogged down by political dogma, rather than the TV PR man we have as PM and a 2:1 History Graduate as Chancelor...........


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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by Ivan on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Why are unelected governments popping up all over Europe?
throbbo. Not quite "all over Europe" yet, but nevertheless, if you bothered to read other people's replies, you would see that oftenwrong answered your question at 10.05 this morning.

P.S. When you received your "personal invite", I didn't know who you really were, not until you reverted to an IP address you used when you attempted to trash our first forum back in May. Behave yourself this time and you can stay, but consider yourself on probation.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by jackthelad on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:35 pm

So NIN is Throbbo, he can get where water can't, he might change his name but not the style of posting. I thought his posts where familiar, but seeing as i don't sleep so good, i didn't give it much thought. Thing look like they will get interesting from now on.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:01 pm

More often than not people on forums only ask questions to which they believe they have an answer


well im the "not" person,,


And ivan i will be on best behaviour, however i would like people to understand one thing,,yes i voted BNP last elections and one before that,,in 1997 i voted for Tb's new labour,,which makes me a floating voter and not a far right extremist,,my ideal political party would be a bit of everything,,a little bit of cameron a little bit of milliband(but not harman) hardly any clegg at all and some nick griffin and nigel farage too,, i think since these 5 bits are what make up our nation(england) i dont think a govt made up of these that truely represents it's people is not too much to ask,,and as to prove it i have never heard ivan or witchy say anything good about cameron and co,,but will defend to the death the actions of tonys mafia,,and yes i see England as my nation,,i dont cheer for scotland or wales or any other nation in any any sport,,not even team GB,,just England.

i believe in democracy,,,real democracy,,a govt of the people,,by the people,,for the people,,and not this mockery we have now. the eu is what hitler wanted but with the bad bits taken out(killing jews and the such).

ps,,worked in the tele/data comms business for nigh on 25yrs as an installation engineer and have cabled more hospitals and schools and health centres than i can remember,,,you should thank me for keeping this nation in touch.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:50 pm

False floors were only the beginning.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by NIN on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:50 pm

And ceilings too.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by atv on Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:11 pm

The German leader has shown leadership on a European scale, as has Nicolas Sarkozy, whilst our leader is laughed and joked about behind his back because thats what he is - a joke.

On the contrary, Cameron is taken quite seriously in Germany.
There was a poll by I believe in "Das Bilt" newspaper a few weeks ago that recorded most germans want out of the Eurozone, and although Angela Merkel and France's Nicolas Sarkozy are at loggerheads with David cameron, most Germans wish Merkel would put the interests of Germany first as Cameron is putting the interests of the UK first.
The German people are well aware that Germany has done very well out of the eurozone, but object quite openly about bailing out Countries like Greece, Spain and now possibly Italy.
The German people are also aware there is a lot of resentment towards Germany by the above Countries, and I actually think the Germans believe that investors are concerned that Germany is going to have to sink a lot of money into essentially risky countries' and get dragged down with them.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:30 pm

Hold the Front Page ....

After eighteen months of not having a Government, Belgium today announced the formation of a coalition of French-speaking Walloons and the powerful Flemish politicians.

Standard & Poors have not yet said either Merci beaucoup, nor Dank u wel, so the Eurozone continues to tremble.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:55 pm

Those of us who are still struggling with English do admire a good multi-lingual posting.... Very Happy
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:34 pm

Thank God some people can spell.

It's so easy to make a mistake with those "-lingual" words.
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:44 pm

As indeed I have!

'Multilingual' it is...! Embarassed
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:58 pm

Is there a wine that goes well with cunnilingual participation?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:04 pm

I imagine many such beverages could make you lick your lips... Shocked
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Post by astra on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:23 pm

Is there a wine that goes well with cunnilingual participation




Does it have a cherry? or one of those slices of lemon?
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:35 pm

Take a wine-glass and introduce two drops of Angostura Bitters.
Swill the Bitters around the glass and discard.
Add One Measure of Plymouth Gin
Throw everything away and enjoy a wee dram instead.
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Post by astra on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:42 pm

Throw everything away and enjoy a wee dram instead.




NOW yer talkin'
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Greece has lost its sovereignty. Is the United Kingdom next in line?

Post by ROB on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:49 pm


BBC News - Business
22 August 2012 Last updated at 14:20 ET

Greece's last chance - eurozone chief Jean-Claude Juncker

Eurozone finance chief Jean-Claude Juncker has said the Greek people have to be aware the country is facing its "last chance".

After a meeting with Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras, Mr Juncker praised the nation's "tremendous efforts" so far to cut its deficit.

But he said "priority number one" was further consolidation of the public finances of Greece.

He added that Athens must put in place economic and structural reforms.

These include changes to the labour market, and the relaunching of privatisation programmes which have been promised but not enacted

Full story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19329402
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I cannot help but notice the arrogant, authoritarian manner in which Eurozone finance chief Jean-Claude Juncker dictates to Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras. Perhaps I’m in error, but it is my understanding that Greece has a Westminster democracy, wherein We the People of Each Greek constituency elect members of Parliament (or whatever the Greek national legislature is called), the majority party of which forms a government and selects a prime minister.

Seems to me that Antonis Samaras, elected and selected by democratic process, should be dictating to Jean-Claude Juncker, a foreigner operating in a sovereign country, rather than vice versa.

Ah, but Greece is no longer sovereign, is it? God bless the European Autocracy, long may it reign.

The heartfelt opinion of one American, United States variety, who desires that the We the People of the United Kingdom retain their joint ownership of their own nation despite the devious machinations of the EA’s minions such as Jean-Claude Juncker.
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Post by astradt1 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:28 pm

What does phrase 'We the People .............' mean to any country other than America......

Why not just say Greek or British population or better yet voters.......It would mean far more than 'We the people********'


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Post by ROB on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:08 am

astradt1 wrote:
What does phrase 'We the People .............' mean to any country other than America......

As “America” includes all countries of the continent of North America, the continent of South America, and the islands of the Caribbean, I’ve slightly edited your text that I might answer your implied question, which I hopefully have correctly inferred. My alterations/additions are underlined.

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What does phrase 'We the People .............' mean to any country other than the United States of America?

To any who choose to learn and understand, the phrase “We the People” of a certain sovereign nation means “We the Co-Owners”, i.e., “We the de facto Co-Sovereigns”, of that certain sovereign  nation. The phrase is properly applied to the enfranchised citizens of any nation that possesses a republican (representative democratic) form of government, either simultaneously de facto and de jure republics, such as the United States of America (in the constitution of which the phrase “We the People” first appears), or de facto only republics, such as the United Kingdom, in which the de facto republic is encapsulated within a de jure “constitutional monarchy.”

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Why not just say Greek or British population or better yet voters.......

Because “Greek population/voters” or “British population/voters” does not denote “We the Co-Owners/Co-Sovereigns of Greece” or “We the Co-Owners/Co-Sovereigns of the United Kingdom.”

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It would mean far more than 'We the people********'

No it would not.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:31 am

What a lot of fun can be had with words. Pity that so few World Powers feel able to confine their activity to mere words.
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Post by astradt1 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:34 am

"We the People" is a nonsensical phrase coined back in the 18th century by a group of individuals who really meant themselves and put in to a document which has had to be amended many times but still remains basically applicable to the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA and no other country.....In spite of what some Americans (USV) would like to think.......

I very rarely hear any one in Britain mention Magna Carta.

Oh and by the way why do some Americans feel the need to try and educate by stating that America includes all the countries on the continent of North America we already know it........and perhaps just feel that it is a waste of time to put in (USV)..........
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Re: Why, in democratic European countries, are unelected governments being put into power?

Post by ROB on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:40 pm

astradt1 wrote:
Re: Greece has lost its sovereignty. Is the United Kingdom next in line?
by astradt1 on Thu 23 August 2012 - 10:34

"We the People" is a nonsensical phrase…

We the People is thoroughly sensical.

astradt1 wrote:
… coined back in the 18th century…

Lessee now… Yep. !787 or thereabouts is indeed the 18th Century.

astradt1 wrote:
… by a group of individuals who… meant themselves…

Yep. That’s why they said “We.”

astradt1 wrote:
… remains basically applicable to the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA and no other country…

We the People of the United Kingdom is applicable in 2012 to the Co-Owners/Co-Sovereigns of the de facto republican form of government (Westminster democracy) that originated in the nation which We the People of the United Kingdom co-own and of which We the People of the United Kingdom are co-sovereigns.

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I very rarely hear any one in Britain mention Magna Carta.

Come hang out awhile with me down here in the Great Sovereign State of Texas and you’ll hear my road dogs and me routinely mention Magna Carta in our discussions of key documents in the history of democracy. We know “what side our toast is buttered on.”                                                                                  

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Oh and by the way why do some Americans feel the need to try and educate by stating that America includes all the countries on the continent of North America we already know it........and perhaps just feel that it is a waste of time to put in (USV)..........

Since you regularly insert “USV” in posts to me (for instance, your post of 23 August 2012 at 10:34, a portion of which is quoted above), perhaps you might cease wasting your time by refraining from doing so in future posts.
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Post by astradt1 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:33 pm

Since you regularly insert “USV” in posts to me (for instance, your post of 23 August 2012 at 10:34, a portion of which is quoted above), perhaps you might cease wasting your time by refraining from doing so in future posts.

I and I am sure others will do when you stop trying to point out that america is more than the USA........Which we are all well aware of....

Or is it you find it hard to realise when it is the USA others are talking about?
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