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Post by sickchip on Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:11 am

Everything i said on msn years ago is coming to pass......and as i predicted there is no way out of the conundrum. I guess many will cling to a sinking vessel.....scraping pearls from diamonds whilst drowning. Isn't life kinda cute......and ugly american?
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Post by sickchip on Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:14 am

UK - 10yrs time........your predictions! ho ho ho!
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Post by sickchip on Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:26 am

Current acts of disobedience/rioting will prove to be the tip of an an iceberg. Unless WAGE DICTATORS decide to recognise their greed is both destructive and self-destructive. Address wage distribution NOW.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:48 pm

According to the OECD, the income of the richest 10% of people in the UK is twelve times that of the lowest 10%. In Germany, Denmark and Sweden, the income of the richest 10% is just six times that of the poorest 10%. It seems that those countries function perfectly well without all their wealth creators leaving their respective countries because of a "lack of incentives" or some other Tory nonsense.

Yet in the UK we have an evil government - yes, evil - determined to stamp on the poor, the sick, the disabled and all public sector workers in support of their ideology. If the economy ever improves - an almost impossible scenario while the current shower are in power - just remember that the Tory ambition is to abolish the 50% Income Tax band and cut Inheritance Tax for millionaires.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:22 pm

We may be over-complicating the argument. The "ruling classes" know that their days are proably numbered, and are making hay while the sun shines.

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may
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Post by astra on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:25 pm

The wild rosehips are STILL blooming here, so they may have a "beanfest" Crying or Very sad
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:51 pm

Upon the outbreak of WW2, significant numbers of the British Aristocracy, and monied classes, decanted themselves and their families to various parts of the British Empire to await developments. This proved fortuitous in 1944 when the South of England had to find lodging for the influx of US and Commonwealth forces as a prelude to D-Day and were able to make use of large numbers of Gentleman's Residences left empty.

Those who ignore History are doomed to endlessly repeat it.
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Welcome to the paramilitary state of Great Britain!

Post by astradt1 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Have watched and listened to one D Camoron condem the use of lethal force against demonstrators in some middle east countries we now have a report saying that the use lethal force in Britain must be allowed.......

One thread on here has asked the question 'Thatcher changed Britain for the worse?' I would suggest that this coalition has, in the space of just 18 months done more to damage Britain and it's population than Thatcher ever did..........
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:30 pm

Water Cannon and Armoured vehicles now available from all the usual Rent-a-Car outlets.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:39 pm

Another Cameron Master Plan

(channel4.com)
" So, basically, it's just a question of shooting a few parking offenders and off home for lunch..."
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Post by bobby on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:40 pm

astradt, I have just seen on the news that the use of water cannon and rubber bullets will be available to the police, if they need them to quell a riot. The problem as I see it are, where is the dividing line between a riot and a protest, if they think the filth (sorry I mean the constabulary) will make that distinction, they are totally wrong, what happened in the past proves that, when a perfectly innocent man was body checked to the ground and later died as a direct result. The man who was dragged from his wheelchair by yet another Hero in blue. I know they are only two cases, but how many rozzers in the vicinity did anything about it, i it wasn't for cctv the evil bastartds would have gotten away with it. Believe me, this is the thin end of the wedge, if the police use these deadly weapons, it will only be a short time before the rioters use equaly deadly weapons. Britains streets will become like the many of the streets we see on TV in the middle east, This will be Herr Camerons legacy, British coppers killing British citizens, for what? to protect the public or to rid the publics right to freedom of speech and expression. They allready have court cases on the go to dimminish the power of the trades unions, now they want to remove peoples right to march, because believe me, the line between a riot as they will see it will not be far from what is a legally justifiable march. I have attended marches in Northern Ireland where weapons where used against the population,( and I am ashamed to say, I was one wealding the weapons) and all we achieve was to alienate more of the people we orriginally intended in helping. It is a downward spiral and we are now on it. Gawd elp us.
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Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:19 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Water Cannon and Armoured vehicles now available from all the usual Rent-a-Car outlets.

Can you tell me where I can rent either so I will be ready for the riots when they start and have something to defend myself against Scameron.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:57 pm

Well, that sort of information is only available if your Daddy was a Stockbroker.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:48 pm

Two of the reader comments which follow a Peter Beresford article on the ‘overclass’ in the UK:-

melrosechick:-
The “enemy within” (to quote Maggie Thatcher) is the overclass not the underclass. Those who consider themselves the elite are literally asset-stripping society, displaying grotesque degrees of greed and contempt for the ordinary man. Our government has shown that far from all being in this together, they consider themselves to be there to take anything and everything from the working class and even the middle classes and grab it all for themselves. They are literally throwing the scraps from their table for everyone else. Their depravity knows no depths... they have, by use of propaganda, even managed to victimise and villify the sick and disabled. Instead of chasing down those who avoid their taxes, they give them yet more tax breaks. Instead of helping the working classes, they take their tax credits and other benefits away from them. All this depravity is hidden under the umbrella of reducing the deficit. Why can the deficit not be reduced by taking more from the overclass instead of taking it from the bottom? Because it is the overclass who are in charge and this is what they do....

liberalcynic:-
Philip Green dodged a billion or so in tax liability by pretending his wife lives in a slightly overcrowded tower block estate on the French Riviera. That's an awful lot of schools and hospitals unbuilt. Worse than that: if you're a taxpayer, you're paying to educate his workforce, protect his shops from theft or looting and to build the roads his goods are distributed on. But to him, you see, tax is for the little people. Green and feral tycoons like him are freeloading on the backs of ordinary people.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/03/overclass-threat-society?CMP=twt_gu

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Post by Scarecrow on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:17 am

I think the UK government are still alarmed at how the riots last summer spread across the UK to a degree. The police were crying in there beer because of the cuts announced to policing , caught on camera watching the looting unfold , this sent a subconscious signal out to future impressionable minds.
London is a plutocracy............no question . Future unrest will occur for sure in the capital.
We are seeing a blueprint of the elite be cared for , and the underclass left to rot, this blueprint is in play across the globe.
More and more people are waking up to the fact that the three main parties offer nothing but the same rhetoric of spin and duplicity, daily force feeding it to the media , who in turn relay it to us.
Kelvin Mackenzie on BBC 5 Live today stating we have had the good times , easy credit ,now we all have to knuckle down and suffer the bad and pay the easy money back, he is not living on the breadline nor in the real world for that matter , then again who was his boss , oh yeah MR Murdoch .
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:08 pm

Cameron's coalition worked overtime to present the Tottenham Riots last Summer as criminal. Which made it a Police matter. Had anybody admitted that there was an obvious Social/Political motivation to events, the government would have been obliged to address the problem of an underclass with no prospects, a persisting colour prejudice tainting Police behaviour, and the ever-widening gap between haves and have-nots.

The Olympic site is destined to stage open warfare for the additional entertainment of our overseas guests unless Cobra decides to make a Gulag of Stratford.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:16 pm

Scarecrow wrote:I think the UK government are still alarmed at how the riots last summer spread across the UK to a degree. The police were crying in there beer because of the cuts announced to policing , caught on camera watching the looting unfold , this sent a subconscious signal out to future impressionable minds.
London is a plutocracy............no question . Future unrest will occur for sure in the capital.
We are seeing a blueprint of the elite be cared for , and the underclass left to rot, this blueprint is in play across the globe.
More and more people are waking up to the fact that the three main parties offer nothing but the same rhetoric of spin and duplicity, daily force feeding it to the media , who in turn relay it to us.
Kelvin Mackenzie on BBC 5 Live today stating we have had the good times , easy credit ,now we all have to knuckle down and suffer the bad and pay the easy money back, he is not living on the breadline nor in the real world for that matter , then again who was his boss , oh yeah MR Murdoch .

I think there will be more unrest and what a pretty scene for visitors to the UK to to feast there eyes on, then London will be the country to avoid as far as visitors are concerned so the economy will shrink a little bit more.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:32 pm

If the antics of the Coalition government were to be published as a book, or made into a film, the product would be described as Science Fiction.

But they've done it.

And we're apparently going to let them get away with it.

It's still true. The Nation gets the Government it deserves.
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Post by sickchip on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:26 am

It's still true. The Nation gets the Government it deserves.

Precisely! British citizens are selfish, self-centred, and inconsiderate to the nth degree......just how Maggie wanted it with her divide, weaken, and conquer tactics - everyman's an island and self preservation is the only game in town.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:56 am

To be honest, I can't be bothered with apathy anymore...
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Post by witchfinder on Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:48 am

Is there a case for civil disobedience and can it ever be justified ?

If a specific policy is not included ( was not included ) in the manifesto of the governing political party, and if that particular policy is very unpopular, then the answer is YES - civil unrest is justified.

The coalition point to some paragraph somewhere in the Tory Party manifesto which they believe gives them right to to implement their highly controversial and widely unpopular NHS reforms.

These NHS reforms are not, and were not in the coalition agreement, they were never part of the Lib Dem agenda, furthermore it was David Cameron who promised "an end to large-scale top-down reorganisations", these reforms do not have either the backing or the sanction of the British public.

civil unrest and / or civil dosobedience is justified

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:42 pm

"These NHS reforms are not, and were not in the coalition agreement, they were never part of the Lib Dem agenda." As indeed neither was the decision to raise University fees while lowering educational grants.

It's becoming apparent that it is not the people we can see on the Clegg/Cameron front bench who are actually making the decisions, but a shadow Directorship of Tory Old Guard who have seized the opportunity to catch up on the bits that Maggy didn't get around to.
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Post by bobby on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:33 pm

It seems that we are all getting a bit carried away with the term, Civil Disobedience.
If an elected Government lie and do not comply with the manifesto they where elected on, why is it civil disobedience, if you show your displeasure by either protesting or with holding your labour, surely it is only civil disobedience when the Law is broken, if a law has not been broken what exactly is it that is being disobeyed.

We by using that expression are in fact falling into Governments hands, in their tactics of divide and conquer. Many who may want to withhold their Labour or protest by marching on a rally may not do so if they think they are breaking a law, and to many the expression Civil Disobedience sounds a tad illegal. So let us call a strike, a strike and a riot a riot and stop falling into this governments hands by thinking both are Civil Disobedience. The term we should be using for strike action or legal protesting is Disturbance, not Disobedience.
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Post by Scarecrow on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:12 pm

You have to love the british , they work the longest hours in Europe , they pay amongst the highest taxes on petrol etc , yet the apathy level is outrageous , has to be something in the water or air ha ha , the media don't help.
Civil disobedience in my view is a tool that Cameron and the coalition have yet to witness , remember the one million people who marched on London to protest at Blair taking the country to war with Iraq . They were not apathetic , they marched to no avail. I don't need a crystal ball to see what is coming , the strikes of 1970s will haunt the UK again , a summer of discontent is brewing.
The three main parties are a redundant cabal , people are waking up to the fact, the LibDems will be overtaken soon by UKIP for sure.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:58 pm

You have to love the british , they work the longest hours in Europe , they pay amongst the highest taxes on petrol etc , yet the apathy level is outrageous , has to be something in the water or air ha ha , the media don't help

I guess somehow we have to do this to pay for a massive welfare state....The money has to come from somewhere

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:35 pm

" to pay for a massive welfare state....The money has to come from somewhere "

Logic suggests that "The Money" come from an equal distribution of responsibility for "The Big Society" which we are all apparently part of.
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Post by sickchip on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:16 pm

When the cuts begin kicking in next year we will see violent protest.

Will it be too late? Or will it be better late than never?
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Post by Adele Carlyon on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:24 pm

Oh there's a war coming...
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Post by KnarkyBadger on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:16 pm

Im anti-war accept class war! Twisted Evil
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Post by Adele Carlyon on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:38 pm

Me too! Wink
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Post by Redflag on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:58 pm

blueturando wrote:
You have to love the british , they work the longest hours in Europe , they pay amongst the highest taxes on petrol etc , yet the apathy level is outrageous , has to be something in the water or air ha ha , the media don't help

I guess somehow we have to do this to pay for a massive welfare state....The money has to come from somewhere

The reason the public sector are having to pay is as you well know blue. We are skint thanks very much to the CASINO banks and Gordon Brown had to go borrow a load of money to bail them out, and because it HAS too be paid back the public sector are losing there jobs and 49% of the NHS has been handed over to the private sector and yes I know Labour did bring in the private sector to the NHS but it had too to get the waiting list of people waiting for operations after the neglect of the Maggot gov't, and it still was not 49%.

So if you can tell me why make us the people that did not cause this, be forced to pay for the bankers GREED, why not make them BLOODY pay for there fcuking own GREED.
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Post by bambu on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:15 am

Folks,

ever been employed by a poor person?

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Post by astradt1 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:31 am

ever been employed by a poor person?

I wonder if 'poor' people call in plumbers and electricians when they have leaks etc, or do they just put up with the problem?

Is calling a tradesman 'employing' someone?
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:54 pm

bambu wrote:Folks,

ever been employed by a poor person?


Yeah, every time I asked for a raise the boss pulled a sour face and said, "The business can't afford it!"
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Post by Redflag on Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:38 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
bambu wrote:Folks,

ever been employed by a poor person?


Yeah, every time I asked for a raise the boss pulled a sour face and said, "The business can't afford it!"

In most of businesses its not that they can not afford it they do not want to part with some of the profit they have made off their workers' backs, plus they are getting away with what ever they want to do even not paying the minimum wage, and coming up is the "Hire and Fire at Will" bill that the L/Ds will wave through the H.O.C. and the Lords.
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Post by Ivan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:12 am

If you think inequality matters, you can discuss it here:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t709-does-inequality-matter

Immigrants don’t cause inequality, government policies do. Putting up VAT and cutting benefits for the poor, while reducing income tax for millionaires, causes inequality. The post about immigration, which was designed to deflect attention from the odious policies of our evil government, has been moved to a more appropriate place:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t119-should-immigration-always-be-perceived-as-a-problem






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Post by Redflag on Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:41 pm

Ivan wrote:If you think inequality matters, you can discuss it here:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t709-does-inequality-matter

Immigrants don’t cause inequality, government policies do. Putting up VAT and cutting benefits for the poor, while reducing income tax for millionaires, causes inequality. The post about immigration, which was designed to deflect attention from the odious policies of our evil government, has been moved to a more appropriate place:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t119-should-immigration-always-be-perceived-as-a-problem

Good post Ivan its the Tories of old give the millionaires a tax cut and make the PLEBS pay for it by cutting the benefits putting the VAT up and blame the Labour party, anybody but themselves I suppose when the Labour party get into power in 2015 and find a huge MESS they will still blame the Labour party for the state of the economy and the unemployment, I think we should charge the Tories and L/Ds with the charge of utter Incompetence and Neglect of the UK public. Life sentences for all found guilty. cheers
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Post by boatlady on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:02 pm

What are the grounds for a vote of no confidence in parliament?
Are we anywhere near that point?
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Post by Ivan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:07 pm

The opposition can put forward a vote of no confidence at any time, but if Labour did so now I'm sure the Liberal Democrats would fall in behind the Tories and defeat it. Turkeys don't vote for an early Christmas.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:18 pm

Cameron will shortly be brought down by the Shire Tories who disagree with both his Europhile stance and his support for gay marriage.

But nothing will change. A smoothy-chops clone will move seamlessly into place.
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