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Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:29 pm

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Through the Thatcher Major, years, millions of British people were made poor as a matter of policy, while others got rich as a matter of policy.

Blair and Brown embraced Thatcherism due to the change in the British, and now Milliband wants to change Labour again due to a changed Britain.

I personally long for a political party that sticks to it's core values, that has conviction, that does not change itself to suit a greedy selfish uncaring British populas who'se only thought is "self". In my view this "self" is mainly among the British middle classes.

Thatcher changed Britain for the worse, and now we are reaping through this dreadful coalition, what has been sown.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by bobby on Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:51 pm

Hello V, I would hapily pay a share of the costs, but only iffin I could watch the bitch taking her final breath.

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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:11 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Quote : "Maybe we could drum up some support for modernising our November custom of burning Guy Fawkes in favour of someone more contemporary?"


(guardian.co.uk)

Choose from the above options....

Phil can I pick them all please? ha ha
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by tlttf on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:05 am

A primeminister who removed the cost of underperforming companies from the public purse and gave them a chance to stand on their own feet (they failed), gave the working man a chance to own his/her own home and the opportunity to start their own businesses can be so badly slated by mindless idiots is strange. Is she to also be blamed because people have been brainwashed into believing the state will take care of you from birth to death without personal input from the individual?

As I recall the Thatcher years (take the miners out of the equation, or mention Scargill as well), she transferred power to the people, those that didn't take the opportunities offered can only blame themselves.

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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:16 am

tlttf wrote:A primeminister who removed the cost of underperforming companies from the public purse and gave them a chance to stand on their own feet (they failed), gave the working man a chance to own his/her own home and the opportunity to start their own businesses can be so badly slated by mindless idiots is strange. Is she to also be blamed because people have been brainwashed into believing the state will take care of you from birth to death without personal input from the individual?

As I recall the Thatcher years (take the miners out of the equation, or mention Scargill as well), she transferred power to the people, those that didn't take the opportunities offered can only blame themselves.

God its a bit soon in the day to start taking drugs. but they seems to be working OK anyway. so that must please you
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by tlttf on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:24 am

No time for drugs, just leaving for work, nice to see you haven't written anything that contadicts it though, have a good one. Very Happy

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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:10 am

tlttf wrote:
"A primeminister who .... gave the working man a chance to own his/her own home."


Which didn't help those who were tempted to bite off more than they could chew, in the form of mortgage payments beyond their means. There might have been some point to the exercise if the very considerable Sale Proceeds had been ploughed back into building more social housing - but Thatcher specifically forbade Councils from doing that.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by atv on Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:20 am

Dave Osler:-
[quote]My generation witnessed first hand Thatcher’s destruction of Britain’s industrial base, her deliberately planned decimation of entire communities and her erection of greed as the very basis of the value system in a country for which there was no such thing as society.[/quote

Thatcher was THE greatest prime minister this country ever had.
She sorted out the mess Labour had left the country in by borrowing huge amounts of money they then wasted. She got it all paid back and yes that hurt, a lot of people lost their jobs, but it had to be done and it was caused by Labour.
The unions were dragging the country down, they were walking out because toilet paper wasn't replaced or there was a puddle on the floor, they refused to see sense so she sorted that as well.
However the REAL reason the socialists hate her was that she believed that each individual was responsible for their own destiny. Government should interfere as little as possible and everyone should work for what they want.
Compare that to today where half the country is on benefits and many of those contribute nothing to the economy or society. Government is in every part of our life and Labour want to be in it even more. I know who I woud rather have as PM
Thatcher made mistakes, of course she did, (don't they all), but she is not the monster that some people believe or some schools teach she was. The only thing I would add to this is that she had more courage and conviction than any leader who came before or after her. With the possible exception of Winston Churchill of course!
Maggie encouraged a culture of people getting off their backsides and working to pay their own way in life, buy their own homes and generally try to better themselves.

Wheras call me Tone reversed that trend by giving handout after handout to the workshy and milking the taxpaying cash cow to pay for them to do sod all. That created the chav culture we have today where kids think its easier to sign on and knock out a couple of kids before they're 18 than make their way in the world and actually have pride in paying their way.
It is them that have forged this 'What's in it for me?' culture, not Maggie Thatcher. Maggie has made nothing "extra" from her time as Prime Minister whereas good Old Tone and Cherree were merrily milking as much as they possibly can out of Tones Premiership before the party was over.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:30 pm

atv wrote:

Thatcher was THE greatest prime minister this country ever had.
....Government should interfere as little as possible and everyone should work for what they want.

Maggie has made nothing "extra" from her time as Prime Minister ....

Painted yourself into a corner there, atv. Typical Tory, frightened of The Poor, in case it's contagious. Did you hear about Thatcher's little boy making millions out of arms deals with Saudi Arabia? Whatever happened to him?
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by blueturando on Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:53 pm

I have to agree with ATV.....Thatcher was the greatest Prime minister this country has ever had.

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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by jackthelad on Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:09 pm

blueturando wrote:I have to agree with ATV.....Thatcher was the greatest Prime minister this country has ever had.


There are a few million people who will disagree with that statement, i hope it was said with tongue in cheek. Otherwise, it was a bit of cheek saying it, have to admit though, the greatest that we that are alive can possibly say, it was Winston Churchill. Then the people had the sense to remove him after his usefulness was over, bringing in another great Prime Minister, Clement Attlee.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by sickchip on Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:34 pm

bobby wrote:sick chip. One of the biggest cons to the working man was the percentage pay rise. Prior to that, most people would get a £sd pay rise and so would management. But with the percentage pay rise, if everyone gets 5%, the lesser earners get 5% of a pittance whereas those on higher wages got 5% of the higher sum. 5% of £100 is £5 5% of £200 is £10, not only that but the increase is compound so the difference becomes bigger year on year.

Excellent point, bobby.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Penderyn on Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:52 pm

blueturando wrote:I have to agree with ATV.....Thatcher was the greatest Prime minister this country has ever had.

Trouble with the English there, I'm afraid. The expression you need is 'most evil, spiteful and divisive'.
There were, of course, thousands in the tory party who could have done just the same, if any clowns had chosen them.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Ivanhoe on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:55 pm

blueturando wrote:I have to agree with ATV.....Thatcher was the greatest Prime minister this country has ever had.

Absolute bollocks. Anybody with no soul and a few Parliamentary right wingers to back her up, could have done what she did.

There remain millions of people in poverty due to her policies, there are also millions of extremely rich people due to her policies.

This is not a success story, this is failure.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:38 pm

Cameron Clears up the ''Tourette's' Comment Controversy about Ed Balls

(dailymail.co.uk)
" I've told Balls that I meant no offence, you evil, dribbling, demented old cow..."
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:03 pm

The Senior Company Directors listed on the London Stock Exchange's Footsie 100 will probably disagree with the preceding posting. They have received an average 49% increase in remuneration since this time last year.

Let's hear it for the little lady!
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:16 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron Clears up the ''Tourette's' Comment Controversy about Ed Balls

(dailymail.co.uk)
" I've told Balls that I meant no offence, you evil, dribbling, demented old cow..."

I do like that Phil, it had me laughing a lot
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:24 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The Senior Company Directors listed on the London Stock Exchange's Footsie 100 will probably disagree with the preceding posting. They have received an average 49% increase in remuneration since this time last year.

Let's hear it for the little lady!

only 49% remuneration. Hell how bad is that? cannot the Tories not sack some more public sector workers? so we can push up there remuneration a bit more ha ha I Bet we all feel sorry for them. its hard you know on just 49%
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by LWS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:34 pm

49% for the fatcats and -15% for everyone else.

Isn't Tory Britain a just and fair place to live?
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:46 pm

Only if "one" is a Tory.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by LWS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:50 pm

True enough Ivanhoe!
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Post by Stox 16 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:33 am

LWS wrote:49% for the fatcats and -15% for everyone else.

Isn't Tory Britain a just and fair place to live?

I just find it amazing that anyone could argue that 49% for fatcat bankers and other city friends is fair. while many people face no real increase within there incomes at all and are facing a 7 to 8% fall in disposable income too
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Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:34 am

Stox 16 wrote:
LWS wrote:49% for the fatcats and -15% for everyone else.

Isn't Tory Britain a just and fair place to live?

I just find it amazing that anyone could argue that 49% for fatcat bankers and other city friends is fair. while many people face no real increase within there incomes at all and are facing a 7 to 8% fall in disposable income too

This is right wing free market capitalism for you.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Penderyn on Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:32 pm

Stox 16 wrote:
LWS wrote:49% for the fatcats and -15% for everyone else.

Isn't Tory Britain a just and fair place to live?

I just find it amazing that anyone could argue that 49% for fatcat bankers and other city friends is fair. while many people face no real increase within there incomes at all and are facing a 7 to 8% fall in disposable income too

Of course it's fair! Their friends own all the means of propaganda don't they? So now then!
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:23 pm

bobby wrote:As I have said before, I dont mind what sort of funeral the bitch gets so long as she's still breathing when it happens. And I sincerely mean that folks.


Hear I do agree with you bobby, I lived through her reign of terror and Im waiting to get my own back on her and I have the perfect plan ready, I will find out where she is buried a take a bottle of P**S and empty it all over her grave I only wish that I could do it fresh!
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by bobby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:29 pm

It will be easy to find Red, it will be the grave with my pile of shit at the head end.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:33 pm

bobby wrote:It will be easy to find Red, it will be the grave with my pile of shit at the head end.


Are you telling me your going for a GOOD DUMP? we could maybe meet up bobby and do the business together what do you say to that bobby.
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Post by bobby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:40 pm

When it comes to crapping and pissing on the bitch, the more the merrier.
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Re: Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

Post by blueturando on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:50 pm

Welcome to the forum for the 'Bitter Brothers!!!'

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:59 pm

Have a care, Chaps. I'm planning to dance on that bloody woman's grave.
Leave some space.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:11 pm

I took the opportunity to go to the cinema and see 'The Iron Lady' yesterday .

It is a hopeless film. Margaret Thatcher's portrayal of Meryl Streep was nothing like her. Ms Streep isn't the dribbling and rambling old fool that she is made out to be. Don't be fooled...! Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Penderyn on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:31 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Have a care, Chaps. I'm planning to dance on that bloody woman's grave.
Leave some space.

We can manage - she's falling apart, like her silly system, so we can have various venues!
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Post by Ivanhoe on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:46 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:I took the opportunity to go to the cinema and see 'The Iron Lady' yesterday .

It is a hopeless film. Margaret Thatcher's portrayal of Meryl Streep was nothing like her. Ms Streep isn't the dribbling and rambling old fool that she is made out to be. Don't be fooled...! Evil or Very Mad

I bet there were queues round the corner ?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:09 pm

Come to think of it, Ivanhoe ,there were.

But it may have had something to do with the Mexican Restaurant nearby which was emitting seriously delicious odours....
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Post by jackthelad on Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:22 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Have a care, Chaps. I'm planning to dance on that bloody woman's grave.
Leave some space.

Maggie will look forward to that, i did hear she is going to be buried at sea. No daubing of swasticas on her grave.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:25 pm

" i did hear she is going to be buried at sea."

Oh No! Not the South Atlantic? The ultimate cliché!
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:56 pm

Down Argentina way they apparently remember her as the Belle Guano - although I may have misheard....
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Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:04 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Have a care, Chaps. I'm planning to dance on that bloody woman's grave.
Leave some space.

Join me and bobby and that will make a trio of BITTER BROTHERS so she is getting DUMP ON P**S ON and DANCED ON how does that sound.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:14 pm

blueturando wrote:Welcome to the forum for the 'Bitter Brothers!!!'

If you had been on the receiving end you MIGHT just understand WHY so many people are BITTER about Maggie, I can help here today Scameron is going down the same road as Maggie I don't know if you where around but if you where can you also remember the riots during Maggies reign of terror the riots that are coming will Maggies in the shade.
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Post by bobby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:21 pm

ow, let me know when the music stops. I will cross my legs till then!.
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Post by bobby on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:26 pm

Red, I think you may have something there. The way he jumps to the bitches defence and even has its picture as his avatar. He probably is either lucky to have been miissed by by her spite, or is too young to have been effected or was one of those who helped her inflict her evilnes on the people of Britain.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:37 pm

bobby wrote:Red, I think you may have something there. The way he jumps to the bitches defence and even has its picture as his avatar. He probably is either lucky to have been miissed by by her spite, or is too young to have been effected or was one of those who helped her inflict her evilnes on the people of Britain.

I don't know but if he/she was around during Maggie reign she would not of thrust her NASTINESS upon he/she would have been Tory voters you should know bobby the DEVIL looks after his own.
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