Do you believe there are UFOs and aliens?

Bobby, those that missed could be the present day native north American's, the ones we call the Red Indian, rowing all that way in the hot sun would make them a little red.

Jack, Spot on Mate.

Papaumau wrote:Rock.....

You asked:

The last five letters of your screen name, “aumau”, have a Polynesian “sound” to me’ which prompted the off-topic question. Could also be an East African sound, particularly since certain aspects of Polynesian and East African cultures are not mutually exclusive.

And I have to say that that question has been asked a number of times during my many years of surfing around t'internet.

Big grin !

I guess that the answer to that question is a two-fold one:

Initially I used to use the name "Papanui" as that name was given to me by a very large Maori wrestling friend of mine when I used to wrestle and take part in heavy field-sports in Highland Games, ( now retired ). It means, in Maori "Big Daddy" as I was and still am rather large too.

( I will publish a picture if anyone is interested ).

The development of the pseudonym came after a great song and a particular favourite of mine called "Surfin Bird" or "The bird's the word" by The Trashmen around 1963. Play it HERE and you will see what I mean ( If you listen to it for a while you will hear my pseudonym "Papaumau mau a papaumau mau m mau" being said ).

Regards....

Papaumau.

You should know, but when I saw the name you've chosen it put me in mind of The Beach Boys .....

The last time we were up here We did a song by another group of guys We like very much A real friendly group of guys Called the Rivingtons Their song is called "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow"
A papa-oom-mow-mow A papa-oom-mow-mow A papa-oom-mow-mow A papa-oom-mow-mow
Funniest sound I ever heard (A papa-oom-mow-mow a papa-oom-mow-mow) But I can't understand a single word (A papa-oom-mow-mow a papa-oom-mow-mow) Well if he's serious or if he's playin' Woo my my it's all he's sayin


Read more: BEACH BOYS - PAPA OOM MOW MOW LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/papa-oom-mow-mow-lyrics-beach-boys.html#ixzz1lc78hG3u
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Shirina....

Thanks for that, I will wait to see what the boss-man says !

Rock....

WOW what a coincidence that is ! I had no idea that the name Papa Mau was so important in Polynesian culture.

My Maori pal used to follow me and a few other heavyweights as we went round the Highland games circuits. I believe he had been in Britain for many years since he left New-Zealand.

Thanks for the links, they were very enlightening !

Talking about the Song that the Beachboys did: I think that they stole that from The Rivingtons, who stole it from the Trashmen. I stole it from The Trashmen

Anyway, here is a picture of me during those halcyon days !


I was actually three stone lighter there as my doctor told me to get some of the beef off.

Regards.....

Papaumau ( Just call me Papa for easy typing ).

moonbeam wrote:Nice pic, Papa.

What happened to the alien discussion though? I have an open mind, myself. The universe is simply too large to believe we're the only life form.

Thanks Moonbeam ! ( I have never been a shy one, as anyone who has been used to doing public performances are usually inclined to NOT be shy. I have actually been called a narcissist by some before ).

Sorry about contributing to the slide off-topic but I am afraid that that is something that happens all the time on forums.

I guess that the basic premise that "the universe is just too large" for there not to have been life in other solar systems has to be true as it is just about mathematically certain that the conditions that came about on earth that provided support for so many varied kinds of life MUST have happened in some form in other galaxies of our own universe. As has also already been said here, it is highly possible that aliens from parallel universes have found a way to cross over the barrier between their universe and ours if it is not possible for them to cover the enormous distances that would have to be covered to travel to us within this universe.

It's a very big subject and one that has been discussed at length by scientists and laymen alike for hundreds of years and in those hundreds or years we have become no nearer to even beginning to prove that what we see and interpret as alien craft are actually that.

Regards.....

Papaumau.

Papa, I work with a guy whose picture could *easily* be found in the dictionary under "narcissist". I finally had to delete him off my facebook before I got out of hand with the snark. I doubt you could be possibly be as annoying as that.



Do you ever wonder if we are some other life form's "aliens"? If somewhere in that other universe, they're saying the same things we are?

Do you ever wonder if we are some other life form's "aliens"? If somewhere in that other universe, they're saying the same things we are?

I've often considered this as a possible explanation for ghosts.

Scientists are now seriously considering the possibility of alternate realities - duplicate earths with identical copies of ourselves, but in a world that is slightly different. It may be a monumental difference like Hitler winning WWII, or a tiny difference like you having a glass of orange juice on May 23rd, 2001 instead of a cup of coffee.

I've postulated that what people see as "ghosts" may actually be those "duplicate" people bleeding over into our reality. If you add to that the possibility of a small temporal shift, it would make sense. For instance, if a woman sees the ghost of her grandfather rocking back and forth in his favorite chair, is she seeing a spirit? Or is she seeing her grandfather in another reality? Since both realities are duplicates, the grandfather's chair would be in the exact same place as the chair in the woman's reality. Thus, when the grandfather sits in it and begins rocking, his body would be aligned perfectly with the chair in the woman's reality and the chair would appear to rock. If the woman was alive in the grandfather's reality, him seeing her would not be a shock, but to the woman, seeing her dead grandfather would be treated as seeing a ghost. This would work the same way in the alternate reality. If the woman had died in the grandfather's reality, him seeing the woman in our reality would be interpreted as a ghost.

There does seem to be a temporal shift, however, as ghosts are often seen wearing clothing of another era. It would seem SOME alternate realities are not in precise alignment with ours. There have been reports of ghost sightings where apparitions were manipulating items that were not there. A good example is the ghost of a woman in a theater whose legs always seemed to be buried in the floor up to her shins. No one could figure out why until it was learned that the original floor had been raised about half a foot some years before. The woman was obviously walking on the old floor, not the raised floor. In her reality, either the floor had never been raised, or the witnesses were seeing the "ghost" of a woman existing in a reality decades behind our own.

Or ... another equally plausible theory is that the differences in clothing could be a result of another reality not advancing technologically as quickly as our own for whatever reason, or perhaps the fashion choices of their society did not mirror our own. Thus it would be possible that a woman living in an alternate 2012 could be wearing clothing from our 19th Century.

"Do you ever wonder if we are some other life form's "aliens"?"

The Human Race is "alien" to itself. How else do you account for all those Wars in history?

I have never seen a ghost or a UFO, or even an alien, ( if I don't consider the English to be alien of course ), but I would REALLY love to see one: A ghost or a UFO I mean !

Regards....

Papaumau.

and if we didn't have bollox, we'd have to talk something else.

I think people see too much StarTrek, and read too much science fiction. They were showing a piece of rock from Mars on the TV tonight, but only in one dimention, i though i would just mention it. I am waiting to see if i have won on the lottery tonight to see if i can afford a trip out on one of Richard Bransons space rocket. It's either that or winning X Factor.

Quote : "I think people see too much StarTrek, and read too much science fiction..."

So that would be about 30 seconds of each , then...

If both dimensions started the same, they would become different as soon as one person died whereas their other self remained alive. Take this hypothesis back millions of years

The theory doesn't work that way.

What they're saying is that there is a universe for each different choice that could have been made, but wasn't. Thus there would be a dimension where history played out exactly as ours did ... up until Hitler's time. Perhaps in that reality, Hitler died at birth ... and at that point, that dimension's earth veers off from our own timeline and becomes something different.

Yes Shirina, and if they are right about there being infinite numbers of alternate universes running parallel with our own, only separated by a thin veil of a dimensional-shift to the left and the right of our universe, then there will be many such universes that will be almost identical to our own while as they move sideways further and further apart the differences in each of these universes will get wider and wider and more and more until they are nothing like the one that we live in.

In other words, if the idea of parallel universes is going to be accepted at all as possible then the idea of infinite numbers of these universes existing must also be accepted.

Regards....

Papaumau.

Yes Rock, while it IS almost impossible to perceive even the idea of "infinite" universes I believe that because the word "infinite" is simply not a finite number it has to have the capacity to hold every tiny difference there might be when each one of us takes one path or another at any seemingly unimportant junction in our lives. As you say, it does not need for any of these decisions - or not - to be earth-shattering ones to change the time-line in any one of those universes; all it takes is that any person makes the slightest change-of-mind decision for a new time-line to be formed and a new branch into a new parallel universe to be created.

Unlike yourself, I don't even try to imagine what the word "infinite" means as the numbers that are in that word are just too hard to contemplate or even start to evaluate. They just are !

Then again, the parallel universe theory might just be a a load of bunk and if it is we then only have one life to live whereby we are forced to follow the path that fate chooses for us.

Personally, I don't believe in fate as I think that we make our futures by the choices we make every passing second of the day. Then again, before anyone else says it......It could be postulated that no matter what choices we make, those choices are fated to happen and that only serves to tell us that we actually don't have any choices at all.

Now I am getting a sore head so I will stop before I am forced to go and have a lie down.

Regards.....

Papaumau.

blueturando wrote:I have seen a UFO back in 1984....Something that was very unexplainable, but I didn't bother to report it ect.

It is a stasticial improbability that is isn't some form of life on other planets....just do the Math, but if you believe in what the Bible preaches then you can only assume there is life on Earth

Depends what you call 'life'. The Bible teaches that there is a realm of celestial beings - angels/devils, and some say that the 'giants' of the OT were aliens. The Bible also indicates that we can talk with the 'dead' (witch of Endor and Samuel) though it warns against it. Elijah went to heaven in a 'chariot of fire'. I'm not debating the authenticity of the Bible. I have simply quoted what the Bible says.

Trevor says,
Elijah went to heaven in a 'chariot of fire'


Don't you think it's possible that he stood on a land mine.

Or perhaps hoist on his own petard.

They do say Joshua blew down the walls of Jericho, all i can say to that is, that they must have been crap builders. Should have taken building lessons from the Egyptians, their pyramids are still standing.

Joshua did have the Ark of the Covenant with him, though, and who the hell knows what that thing was capable of.

Harrison Ford may be able to provide an answer.