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Breast implants - the NHS and private clinics

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:01 am

Regulatory authorities involved in the current implant scare include :

1. The British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons

2. British Association for Plastic, Reconstructive and Aesthetic Surgeons

Evidently precise numbers of breast-implant failures are not available, because many customers of Private Clinics may have resorted to the NHS for remedial treatment.

Mr Lansley has set up an Enquiry.
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Post by astra on Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:27 pm

Mr Lansley (Mr?) yes well, needs to go back to skoul!



Wonder how all these Anesthetists out there fell now when they've been supporting this dog's breakfast all along!
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:00 pm

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:12 pm

.... it doesn't stop:



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Post by astra on Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:36 pm

Thar's GOLD (or Siller) in them thar mountings!!



This item has my brain buzzing though - Cosmetic Gynaecology


EH! WHAT??
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Post by witchfinder on Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:45 pm

Can this realy be true ?

And if it is true, we should all be writting to our MPs about it

Under the proposals announced by Lansley on Friday, the NHS will cover the costs for women who had the implants fitted by the health service and who are anxious to have them removed. It will also remove the implants if the private clinic no longer exists or refuses the patient. It is thought that 95% of women had the operation privately.

I realy cannot believe this, women who went privately and paid for breast implants, and are then refused by the same clinic to remove them due to a health scare, are now able to have the implants removed FOR FREE by the National Health Service - what is this government thinking about. ?

The government should force private health providers to remove them, the penalty for not doing so ought to be imprisonment for the directors of the companies.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:37 pm

Excuse me for being old-fashioned, but surely the health of the Patient comes first? If private treatment cannot be remedied privately, then the NHS must continue to provide a safety net, as it has continuously since 1948.

The Americans enjoy a system whereby if you can't pay for Hospital treatment you could die untreated, but in that respect at least, we are a little bit more civilised. (Lansley willing).

After attending to the welfare of sufferers, the authorities can turn their attention to the matter of whether "Private Clinics" have any place in our Society unless they are prepared to behave as members of that society.
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Post by witchfinder on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:35 am

oftenwrong

If a lady of financial means can afford to go to a private clinic for surgery to enhance her physical appearence, and if something then goes wrong, then it is surely up to that same private clinic to put it right. ?

If the NHS takes up the task of putting something right which was initialy done by a private health care provider, then the patient must pay.

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:00 pm

With only a very little research, you will find that the mistakes and omissions of Private Medicine are routinely rectified within the Public facility. That's the unwritten Deal entered into with Consultants which allowed the NHS to be born.

With more detailed research, you will find that the majority of cosmetic plastic procedures of the type complained about are financed by a loan agreement or charged to the patient's credit card. "Ladies of financial means" are unlikely to frequent the walk-in type of clinic that does not honour its obligations.

In the days before "live now pay later" was invented, people who couldn't afford to pay cash for expensive holidays, new cars and private surgery went without. That's the way in which we have all been conned into spending next year's wages before we've earned them. If that's coming to an end, then so be it.
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Post by astra on Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:01 pm

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If a lady of financial means can afford to go to a private clinic for surgery to enhance her physical appearence, and if something then goes wrong, then it is surely up to that same private clinic to put it right. ?


Witchy, Happy new year to you and yours (however belatedly)

Have a look for the foreign "Clinics" doing these boob jobs, nip and tuck etc etc.

Many people have been getting the job done in India - a growing provider for this work! Job done, then it is a holiday in that country to recuperate. If, on return to the UK, the operation does not heal, goes tits up (sorry Embarassed ) or is all skew wiff when the final bandages come off, it is for the NHS to pick up the pieces and you and I to pick up the tab!
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"We feature Cosmetic Surgery clinics in countries such as Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey and Venezuela.
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Post by astra on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:43 pm

I heard 5 live tonight and a woman who had these faulty implants placed privately in her body was "up in arms"

She was on about how the NHS SHOULD pay for her patch up work!!

NOW! If I buy a pair of specs from Ivan, and I find the legs fall off after 3 days, then an exchange follows, to a resolution down either refund or replacement. No recourse to the NHS Eye infirmary to come in and pick up the pieces.

Where these women have a problem with the implant or the surgery, it is for the private clinic to sort it out. If in the meantime the private clinic has gone t1ts up er, bust, em, gone into recievership ummm liquidation, then it is for the rest of the private "industry" to sort this out. The NHS should not be expected to be the majic bullet for repairs.

Where the work was done abroad and has fouled up, then contact the Ambassador of said country, with a view to bad publicity. This should encourage those countries to be a bit more careful when undertaking this kind of work.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:56 pm

News today: The Harley Medical group claims replacing the banned implants would put it out of business.

They're out of business anyway if that's the best response they can make.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:23 am

oftenwrong wrote:News today: The Harley Medical group claims replacing the banned implants would put it out of business.

They're out of business anyway if that's the best response they can make.

Cannot agree more with you. they love to take the cash, but now they have to pay out its a very different story. well bad luck you put them in. now they can take them out.
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Post by bobby on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:02 am

stox wrote.
"Cannot agree more with you. they love to take the cash, but now they have to pay out its a very different story. well bad luck you put them in. now they can take them out."

We will not see This Toiry led Coalition do anything other than suport the PRIVATE clinics.
Firstly, the majority of Women who have Tit Transplants are those with the wherewithal to pay, probably more Tory than Labour, so why shouldn't the predominantly worker funded NHS pay for the rich bitch to have oversised mamory correction done. God forbid Herr Cameron and his herd will put any pressure on the private clinics that fund their evil party.

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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:32 pm

" ....the majority of Women who have Tit Transplants are those with the wherewithal to pay...."

The majority of women who go for cosmetic surgery first enter into a loan agreement with a finance company, or charge the work to a Credit Card.

It's not for we mere males to understand the motivation for such things, but to sympathise when they go wrong.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:03 pm

witchfinder wrote:Can this realy be true ?

And if it is true, we should all be writting to our MPs about it

Under the proposals announced by Lansley on Friday, the NHS will cover the costs for women who had the implants fitted by the health service and who are anxious to have them removed. It will also remove the implants if the private clinic no longer exists or refuses the patient. It is thought that 95% of women had the operation privately.

I realy cannot believe this, women who went privately and paid for breast implants, and are then refused by the same clinic to remove them due to a health scare, are now able to have the implants removed FOR FREE by the National Health Service - what is this government thinking about. ?

The government should force private health providers to remove them, the penalty for not doing so ought to be imprisonment for the directors of the companies.

I agree with you WF to a certain point, My daughter has these implants and because she knows it is Industrial Silicone plus they are only encase in one case instead of THREE she is worried sick can not eat can not sleep because of the worry the private clinic that she went too TRANSFORM have refused all the women in England and Scotland because there CEO said it would bankrupt them and both Scottish and the Westminster Gov't are refusing to do anything about these private clinics to force them to take care of there patients.

My daughter got a bank loan to pay for the implants and just finished paying it back last June her job like others is shaky now and is scared too go for another bank loan but these implants have been in doubt since 2002 and she got hers in 2007, she with others here in Scotland (59) are taking a class action with a firm of lawyers on a "NO WIN NO FEE" basis there lawyers have now notified Transform that there is a civil suit coming there way and that there Insurance policy better be up to date there is one women in there group is a nurse and the NHS gave a SCAN which showed one of her implants has ruptured and she has Industrial Silicone floating around the upper part of her body and she has NO symptoms at all felt OK in her self and yet these implants have ruptured she goes into a NHS hospital to have them removed on Wednesday 8/2/2012 and too have her upper body cleaned to get rid of the Industrial Silicone that is floating about in her body, My daughter and others went public with this last Thursday 2/2/2012 it was on BBC Scotland and STV news and has had a few snide remarks made because she put her face with others about this Gov't lack of support for its people against the private clinics but is determined that there will be REGULATION brought in so this does not happen to any body else.
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Post by astra on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:27 pm

I heard this about the CEO saying that reparations would bankrupt the Private "Health " Provider. Seems to me that the fellow brushed his teeth with the contents of the wrong tube as he is speeking out his ass! (See another thread)

If/When a company fouls up a service it says it will provide, then it is up to the company to provide reparations. I do hope the NHS charge the private provider the FULL cost of reparations to the nurse - to include the last face tissue used!
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:16 pm

Archeologists, centuries away from the present, will be unable to explain why female skeletons from the 21st.C were buried with a pair of plastic cushions on their upper torso.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:00 am

astra wrote:I heard this about the CEO saying that reparations would bankrupt the Private "Health " Provider. Seems to me that the fellow brushed his teeth with the contents of the wrong tube as he is speeking out his ass! (See another thread)

If/When a company fouls up a service it says it will provide, then it is up to the company to provide reparations. I do hope the NHS charge the private provider the FULL cost of reparations to the nurse - to include the last face tissue used!

Thanks astra its posts like yours I show my daughter it helps to dilute all the negative comments she gets, what is worrying us the man that sold these implants has been charged with 3 counts of Manslaughter and this is worrying because the French Gov't are saying 3 women in France died through Breast Cancer caused through these implants and yet all we get over here is they can not cause Cancer.

The nurse I mentioned in my earlier post is handing hers over the firm of lawyers when the NHS removes them and then they will be sent to a lab so they can be tested to find out what the real story is and maybe then ALL women concerned will know the Truth.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:37 am

None of which fully explains the motivation for having this procedure done privately in the first place. (Porn-stars excepted, of course).
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:07 pm

oftenwrong wrote:None of which fully explains the motivation for having this procedure done privately in the first place. (Porn-stars excepted, of course).

Let me explain OW, Quite a lot of these women have medical problems and some have psychological problems my daughter seen a surgeon at her local hospital who was willing to do the operation on the NHS but she had too go in front of a panel who turned her down hence she got a bank loan and unknown to her she was walking into what has now happened.

I will also say my daughter has worked from the age of 16 paying tax and NI all her life she did stop for three months while she had her daughter but went back to work part-time until she reached school age and then went back full time, so any treatment she gets from the NHS she has paid in all her life.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Hard cases make bad law, and individuals are entitled to make their own choices about their body. But when you choose to ignore something like " she had too go in front of a panel who turned her down", that was a hint, and regrettably doesn't leave very much room for complaining.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:57 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Hard cases make bad law, and individuals are entitled to make their own choices about their body. But when you choose to ignore something like " she had too go in front of a panel who turned her down", that was a hint, and regrettably doesn't leave very much room for complaining.

She was not told about these implants in fact a surgeon from another private clinic saying these implants had too some been causing questions since 1996 but this did not come out until about a few weeks ago also there was another outcry in 2002 about these implants but again swept under the carpet and if it had come out then my daughter would not have them, At the moment she is with a firm of lawyers on a "NO WIN NO FEE" with 59 women here in Scotland and she and others are hoping the company she paid to do her surgery will be forced by the courts to compensate them so they can go to a more reputable clinic whose medical care does not stop after they have handed over thousands of pounds and when things go wrong are willing to treat them as patients and not as cash cows.

Here lies another lesson for us all do not trust the private sector when it comes to health as this Gov't is pushing 49% of the NHS into the hands of the very same private sector.

I hope that explains it better for you OW.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:04 pm

No explanations are necessary. There will always be pressure from advertisers and salesmen for people to follow a trend, and it is truly terrifying to contemplate a Health Service driven by Market Forces.

That doesn't mean that we have to suspend our critical faculties.
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:21 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Hard cases make bad law, and individuals are entitled to make their own choices about their body. But when you choose to ignore something like " she had too go in front of a panel who turned her down", that was a hint, and regrettably doesn't leave very much room for complaining.


You post as though your in the medical profession and you know it all, sorry you like others will never understand how these women feel when they feel that mother nature is short changed them (excluding porn stars) these women have the operations for themselves not too FLAUNT there busts to all and sundry, There is men among these women who have these PIP implants for there TESTICLES and you must admit in that area of the mans body nobody would know if they had ONE or TWO so why get them?
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:44 pm

I am truly sorry that a general discussion has become personal.

The fact is that we must accept personal responsibility for the decisions we make.

A major problem in contemporary society is that when something goes wrong, SOMEONE MUST BE TO BLAME. Lawyers make a comfortable living out of seeking compensation for those who may have made a mistake.

Inserting foreign objects into the body must surely be asking for trouble, and any person doing that should be prepared to accept the consquences.

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Post by astra on Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:15 pm

But OW, all the tinsley, nice colourful advertising, and the write ups in women's magazines (I hasten to add here, that these mags are all that is available at my frequent tests and check ups!! Very Happy ) that you WILL get the result of your wishes if you come to so-and-so clinic.

Perhaps the publishers should take more care of the readers who justify their existance!
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:32 pm

oftenwrong wrote:I am truly sorry that a general discussion has become personal.

The fact is that we must accept personal responsibility for the decisions we make.

A major problem in contemporary society is that when something goes wrong, SOMEONE MUST BE TO BLAME. Lawyers make a comfortable living out of seeking compensation for those who may have made a mistake.

Inserting foreign objects into the body must surely be asking for trouble, and any person doing that should be prepared to accept the consquences.


I am personally involved because she is my daughter and Im quite certain that my daughter asked all the pertinent questions but now we know the surgeon LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH anything to get the money and her surgeon also worked in the NHS as well as the private sector, These foreign objects are supposed to be passed by the MHRA that is the organization that says an implant is safe for the body and this includes Hip Replacements and Knee and testicles replacements in fact anything even the steel plates that is put in when a leg has been badly broken.
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Who can you trust?
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astra wrote:But OW, all the tinsley, nice colourful advertising, and the write ups in women's magazines (I hasten to add here, that these mags are all that is available at my frequent tests and check ups!! Very Happy ) that you WILL get the result of your wishes if you come to so-and-so clinic.

Perhaps the publishers should take more care of the readers who justify their existance!



Lord forgive them, it was the advertising that made them do it.
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Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:54 am

oftenwrong wrote:Who can you trust?

Well OW DEFINATELY not the private health sector, if I have been defensive thats what parents do protect there young, my daughter had went for a bank loan to pay this clinic and had just paid it back last june, as soon as this come out she did contact the clinic concerned and did not expect the NHS to clean up there mess but her clinic like others are refusing to help there patients unless they hand over thousands of pounds more and she has said if she gets a judgement against them she would not let that clinic touch her again.

She will go to her GP and get a recommendation from the people in the know.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:53 am

The Medical profession as a whole have been careful to present themselves to the Public as the Good Guys, which is largely true, but proposed changes to the NHS will possibly put them into a similar commercial bracket as Car Salesmen, Estate Agents or Supermarkets. They are there to make money from their skills, and will not enjoy the same unquestioning support of the population when everything they do has a price-tag attached to it.
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oftenwrong wrote:The Medical profession as a whole have been careful to present themselves to the Public as the Good Guys, which is largely true, but proposed changes to the NHS will possibly put them into a similar commercial bracket as Car Salesmen, Estate Agents or Supermarkets. They are there to make money from their skills, and will not enjoy the same unquestioning support of the population when everything they do has a price-tag attached to it.

That is not always the case OW I was watching Newsnight on BBC 2 with jeremy Paxman and he had a health minister and some of the women in England that have been let down by there private clinics, and some of the stories they where telling Newsnight was that there GPs where very unhelpful and one women had been sent for a scan and a nurse had told her you are a waste of our resources, If this Industrial Silicone causes cancer (touch wood) they will then become a burden on the NHS.
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