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When do you think there will be a leadership challenge in the Lib Dems?

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:46 pm

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The Lib-Dems will not let Nick Clegg lead them into the next general election because Clegg will definitely be a liability.

The Lib-Dems won't have their leadership challenge too near the general election because this will be seen as a vote grabber.

The Lib-Dems must have their leadership challenge ages before the next general election to be seen as a genuine change of leadership.

So, when do you think their leadership challenge will be ?
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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by bobby on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:53 pm

Good Morning Ivan. If this geezer Andrew George feels so strongly for the NHS, all he needs to do to gain real credibility is to cross the floor of the house of Commons, Talk comes cheap, and lets face it, this Coalition which he is part of, do plenty of talking.
Perhaps if he showed the courage, others might follow as they must know that their party is a dead man walking.

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Post by Redflag on Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:56 pm

bobby wrote:Good Morning Ivan. If this geezer Andrew George feels so strongly for the NHS, all he needs to do to gain real credibility is to cross the floor of the house of Commons, Talk comes cheap, and lets face it, this Coalition which he is part of, do plenty of talking.
Perhaps if he showed the courage, others might follow as they must know that their party is a dead man walking.

I think that was the MP that asked Cameron during PMQs to stop the NHS care bill from going through and if we are talking about the same person he will cross the floor I also think he used too be a doctor before he became an MP.
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Post by bobby on Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:37 pm

Redflag said'

"I think that was the MP that asked Cameron during PMQs to stop the NHS care bill from going through and if we are talking about the same person he will cross the floor I also think he used too be a doctor before he became an MP."

If that should be the case Red, then there is one Lib-Dem with integrity, but it will be a start.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:04 am

bobby wrote:Redflag said'

"I think that was the MP that asked Cameron during PMQs to stop the NHS care bill from going through and if we are talking about the same person he will cross the floor I also think he used too be a doctor before he became an MP."

If that should be the case Red, then there is one Lib-Dem with integrity, but it will be a start.

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Do you believe the Lib/Dem's will split down the middle once the GE is over? as there membership is walking away in quite large numbers right now where I live.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:48 am

bobby wrote:Redflag said'

"I think that was the MP that asked Cameron during PMQs to stop the NHS care bill from going through and if we are talking about the same person he will cross the floor I also think he used too be a doctor before he became an MP."

If that should be the case Red, then there is one Lib-Dem with integrity, but it will be a start.

I think once one starts he will encourage the rest hopefully if they have any sense I do not call them the Lib/Dems any more YELLOW TORIES is there true name now bobby.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:42 am

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:Redflag said'

"I think that was the MP that asked Cameron during PMQs to stop the NHS care bill from going through and if we are talking about the same person he will cross the floor I also think he used too be a doctor before he became an MP."

If that should be the case Red, then there is one Lib-Dem with integrity, but it will be a start.

I think once one starts he will encourage the rest hopefully if they have any sense I do not call them the Lib/Dems any more YELLOW TORIES is there true name now bobby.

Yellow Tories sounds about right too me Red
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Post by bobby on Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:59 am

stox, I believe they "the yellow Tory's" will split before the next GE, for no other reason than self interest. They jumped in bed with the Tory's, but all they have achieved is to lose members hand over fist, some will feel they can hang on a bit longer, just to hang on to the kudos power brings, and hope they can jump ship just before the GE, then possibly hang on to their constituency seats. Others the more astute amongst them, will jump ship earlier in a bid to totally distance themselves from the Tory’s in 3 years time. What we must remember whenever the rats desert the sinking ship, is that they did join the Tory’s and supported all the damaging policies including the disembowelling of our NHS, their very damaging austerity measures, the ruination of our armed forces as an effective defence force, and by association creating more unnecessary unemployment and homelessness.
So my answer is, Other than Clegg, Alexander, Cable et al who will probably become Tory’s proper, I believe they wont wait for the GE but will split earlier.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:35 am

bobby wrote:stox, I believe they "the yellow Tory's" will split before the next GE, for no other reason than self interest. They jumped in bed with the Tory's, but all they have achieved is to lose members hand over fist, some will feel they can hang on a bit longer, just to hang on to the kudos power brings, and hope they can jump ship just before the GE, then possibly hang on to their constituency seats. Others the more astute amongst them, will jump ship earlier in a bid to totally distance themselves from the Tory’s in 3 years time. What we must remember whenever the rats desert the sinking ship, is that they did join the Tory’s and supported all the damaging policies including the disembowelling of our NHS, their very damaging austerity measures, the ruination of our armed forces as an effective defence force, and by association creating more unnecessary unemployment and homelessness.
So my answer is, Other than Clegg, Alexander, Cable et al who will probably become Tory’s proper, I believe they wont wait for the GE but will split earlier.

A good post bobby with lots of MY hopes and dreams, I watch quite a lot on the BBC Parliament channel I love too watch a good debate and in turn have some favourite MPs that I enjoy listening too because they can debate the MP that got it over to me about what was going to happen in the Uni debate was Sammy Wilson of the D.U.P party which is unusual since i support Labour also Alan Johnstone is a good at speaking in H O C.

In Scotland the Lib/Dems have one seat in Holyrood just like the Tories the rest of there pack come from the list and I don't need to tell any of you on this forum the Tories are detested in Scotland and I know you will all know why the Tories think by changing there leader here that it will change there chances to increase there seats they do not have a hope in HELL the damage was done by Thatcher and we are not a very forgiving nature when it comes to politics and to top all that the new Tory leader was backed by Cameron and that says it all.

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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by Stox 16 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:55 am

bobby wrote:stox, I believe they "the yellow Tory's" will split before the next GE, for no other reason than self interest. They jumped in bed with the Tory's, but all they have achieved is to lose members hand over fist, some will feel they can hang on a bit longer, just to hang on to the kudos power brings, and hope they can jump ship just before the GE, then possibly hang on to their constituency seats. Others the more astute amongst them, will jump ship earlier in a bid to totally distance themselves from the Tory’s in 3 years time. What we must remember whenever the rats desert the sinking ship, is that they did join the Tory’s and supported all the damaging policies including the disembowelling of our NHS, their very damaging austerity measures, the ruination of our armed forces as an effective defence force, and by association creating more unnecessary unemployment and homelessness.
So my answer is, Other than Clegg, Alexander, Cable et al who will probably become Tory’s proper, I believe they wont wait for the GE but will split earlier.

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you have just confirmed my own thought on this issue. I think next year we could see the start of this. it will interesting to see who makes the first move? but have no fear. I will not forget there acts of total hypocrisy over the cut or what they have done to our beloved N.H.S. nor will you or Red, LWS that I can be 100% sure of Bobby. just hope the country also shares our view of them too. the signs are they will not. good job too. as I will not miss them one little bit.
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Post by Stox 16 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:59 am

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:stox, I believe they "the yellow Tory's" will split before the next GE, for no other reason than self interest. They jumped in bed with the Tory's, but all they have achieved is to lose members hand over fist, some will feel they can hang on a bit longer, just to hang on to the kudos power brings, and hope they can jump ship just before the GE, then possibly hang on to their constituency seats. Others the more astute amongst them, will jump ship earlier in a bid to totally distance themselves from the Tory’s in 3 years time. What we must remember whenever the rats desert the sinking ship, is that they did join the Tory’s and supported all the damaging policies including the disembowelling of our NHS, their very damaging austerity measures, the ruination of our armed forces as an effective defence force, and by association creating more unnecessary unemployment and homelessness.
So my answer is, Other than Clegg, Alexander, Cable et al who will probably become Tory’s proper, I believe they wont wait for the GE but will split earlier.

A good post bobby with lots of MY hopes and dreams, I watch quite a lot on the BBC Parliament channel I love too watch a good debate and in turn have some favourite MPs that I enjoy listening too because they can debate the MP that got it over to me about what was going to happen in the Uni debate was Sammy Wilson of the D.U.P party which is unusual since i support Labour also Alan Johnstone is a good at speaking in H O C.

In Scotland the Lib/Dems have one seat in Holyrood just like the Tories the rest of there pack come from the list and I don't need to tell any of you on this forum the Tories are detested in Scotland and I know you will all know why the Tories think by changing there leader here that it will change there chances to increase there seats they do not have a hope in HELL the damage was done by Thatcher and we are not a very forgiving nature when it comes to politics and to top all that the new Tory leader was backed by Cameron and that says it all.


for me the Tories are finished in Scotland and have been dead in the water for the last 30 years Red. there new leader is just wasting his time. he will soon be looking for a safe Tory seat in the South of England you see if I am not right Red
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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by Mal Odor on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:19 am

Liberal Party is indeed finished in my opinion. I voted Labour all my life but for the first time voted Liberal and got a Tory Government. Voters would have preferred a hung Parliament and a new vote.The Tories would no doubt have got in and we could see their policies out in the open rather than hidden in this so called coalition.fair enough in any Coalition compromises must be made but the biggest about turn was by Vince Cable who threw away his principles for power.Shame on them all.
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Post by bobby on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:38 am

welcome Mal Oderous. Good posting. How many others voted Lib-Dem specifically to keep the Tory's out.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:46 am

Mal Odorous wrote:Liberal Party is indeed finished in my opinion. I voted Labour all my life but for the first time voted Liberal and got a Tory Government. Voters would have preferred a hung Parliament and a new vote.The Tories would no doubt have got in and we could see their policies out in the open rather than hidden in this so called coalition.fair enough in any Coalition compromises must be made but the biggest about turn was by Vince Cable who threw away his principles for power.Shame on them all.

Welcome Mal Odorous good post and I agree with what you have said what do you make of Danny Alexander?
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Post by Mal Odor on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:50 pm

Redflag. Difficult.I actually think he has something about him which makes him trustworthy. However if the Liberals have any natural allies it would be Labour and if the Coalition runs it's course Alexander's career may be cut very short-like the rest of them.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:39 pm

I can't explain precisely why, but Danny Alexander reminds me of the 1997 Blair, full of steam and ready to change the World along with everything the Labour Party had previously represented.

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Post by Redflag on Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:01 pm

oftenwrong wrote:I can't explain precisely why, but Danny Alexander reminds me of the 1997 Blair, full of steam and ready to change the World along with everything the Labour Party had previously represented.


I watched him today in the H.O.C standing in for Osbourne he is becoming more like a tory every time I see him or he could be after Osbournes job its possible he knows something that we do not, maybe its not just Boris thats after Scam...er..ons job maybe Gideon fancies his chances there too,
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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by witchfinder on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:31 pm

The 3rd of May will give a very good indication of what the future holds for the Liberal Democrats.

The quislings hold a majority in Portsmouth, Cheltenham, Cambridge, Eastleigh, South Lakeland, Three Rivers and Watford, all these areas are holding elections.

As the Grim Reaper said to Nick Clegg "see you at election time"
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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:01 pm

But they can't stop Portsmouth Dockyard from closing. Oh, bugger!
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Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Post by Ivan on Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:37 pm

I found this gravestone on 'Twitter':-

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:48 pm

If that's truly prophetic, it may simply be a mis-spelling of THEY WERE SHOT
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:10 am

Mal Odor wrote:Redflag. Difficult.I actually think he has something about him which makes him trustworthy. However if the Liberals have any natural allies it would be Labour and if the Coalition runs it's course Alexander's career may be cut very short-like the rest of them.

Welcome Mal Odor, you are spot on in my view. Alexander will run off to the Tory party in time. can still see a split coming with this lot... as time moves on.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:19 pm

Ivan wrote:I found this gravestone on 'Twitter':-

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Well Ivan some more good news for you it has just been announced that by tomorrow HUHHNE could be charged with getting his wife to take his speeding points and that would be ONE less Yellow Tory in the cabinet and this may make them walk the plank right out of WhiteHall.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:49 pm

Huhne at Speed

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" I just can't see the points..."
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Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:58 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Huhne at Speed

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" I just can't see the points..."

Your photo looks just like the way he will be feeling tonight waiting for tomorrow at 10.am to find out his fate then the cabinet could be one less of the enabler party, I suppose another one will soon replace him or his bed will not be cold before they bring one up from the rear.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:27 pm

Live for today! Tomorrow doesn't yet belong to anyone.
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Post by Ivan on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:40 am

Anyone remember this gem from the 2010 election? Crying or Very sad

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Post by bobby on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:03 pm

Hello Ivan, yet another good find. I must say that to watch the creep, you wouldn't think butter would melt in his lying cheating gob would you. How can any Lib-Dem who has seen that, continue giving him their support they must be stupid, just like the Tories who still if ever believed Herr Cameron and his horde, after the many lies uttered by him.
As a matter of interest, or not. Was that little tart mobile parked on the corner in the street shot, Andrew Marr’s piece of junk.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:12 pm

bobby wrote:Hello Ivan, yet another good find. I must say that to watch the creep, you wouldn't think butter would melt in his lying cheating gob would you. How can any Lib-Dem who has seen that, continue giving him their support they must be stupid, just like the Tories who still if ever believed Herr Cameron and his horde, after the many lies uttered by him.
As a matter of interest, or not. Was that little tart mobile parked on the corner in the street shot, Andrew Marr’s piece of junk.

Hi bobby the Lib/Dems conference in Gateshead they have voted against Cleggy in regard to the NHS Bill there where 200 odd for it and 314 against so I guess there is a lot more do not agree with the NHS Bill so all you can do is wait and see what happens.
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Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:18 pm

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:Hello Ivan, yet another good find. I must say that to watch the creep, you wouldn't think butter would melt in his lying cheating gob would you. How can any Lib-Dem who has seen that, continue giving him their support they must be stupid, just like the Tories who still if ever believed Herr Cameron and his horde, after the many lies uttered by him.
As a matter of interest, or not. Was that little tart mobile parked on the corner in the street shot, Andrew Marr’s piece of junk.

Hi bobby the Lib/Dems conference in Gateshead they have voted against Cleggy in regard to the NHS Bill there where 200 odd for it and 314 against so I guess there is a lot more do not agree with the NHS Bill so all you can do is wait and see what happens.

Is their conference being televised now then ?
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Post by trevorw2539 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:35 pm

What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

Gehenna

In the Hebrew Bible, the site was initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6). Wiki.

I wonder if sacrificing principles for power is on the same level.Shocked

I leave you to google 'Gehenna' (Wiki) for other meanings you might find appropriate.Wink
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Post by astra on Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:02 pm

Is their conference being televised now then ?


I live just 6 miles from the 'event' Embarassed

No way I would waste a minute or a penny for that lot!

If you leave Sky News on, they drop into a speech which they think may be worthwhile.

I think it is to be said that the reporter looks REALLY enthusiastic!
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Post by witchfinder on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:19 pm

Funny how things develop sometimes - the vote at the Lib Dems spring conference in Gateshead puts a whole new light on things now, and attention will now turn to Lib Dem MPs and Lords in Parliament.

If the Liberal Democrats wish to see their appauling poll ratings improve, then they must blow this health bill out of the water and send it to the scrap heap.

This could be the turning point for the coalition, the MPs and members of the Lords now know that most Lib Dem members are opposed to the bill.
To vote against the bill would be the correct thing to do, it is what the general public want, it is what most health professionals want, and its what most Liberal Democrat members want.

Depending on what happens next, we could be quite close to either a leadership challenge or possibly a resignation.
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Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:23 pm

witchfinder wrote:Funny how things develop sometimes - the vote at the Lib Dems spring conference in Gateshead puts a whole new light on things now, and attention will now turn to Lib Dem MPs and Lords in Parliament.

If the Liberal Democrats wish to see their appauling poll ratings improve, then they must blow this health bill out of the water and send it to the scrap heap.

This could be the turning point for the coalition, the MPs and members of the Lords now know that most Lib Dem members are opposed to the bill.
To vote against the bill would be the correct thing to do, it is what the general public want, it is what most health professionals want, and its what most Liberal Democrat members want.

Depending on what happens next, we could be quite close to either a leadership challenge or possibly a resignation.

I hope your right, witchfinder.
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Post by Ivan on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:03 pm

Don't kid yourselves, the Lib Dems are as corrupt as the Tories on this issue. They received around £1 milion from Alpha Healthcare and don't want to be asked to return it!

Someone has posted on 'Twitter' that, according to Lib Dem health minister Paul Burstow, his party's MPs and peers will still back the appalling NHS Bill.

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Post by witchfinder on Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:52 pm

Well if Ivan is correct then I think the new nick name for the Liberal Democrats should be the Kamikazee Party.

They have obviously pressed the self destruct button and are on a colision course, what on earth are they thinking of.
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Post by astra on Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:13 pm

Like ALL politicians, they are CONVINCED of their own Truths


It is all politico's having a haka!
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Post by betty.noire on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:02 pm

The liberal party is finished I think, what exactly do they stand for ?
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:27 pm

"The liberal party is finished I think, what exactly do they stand for ? "


At the moment they seem to be standing for bête noire to Andrew Lansley.
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Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:48 pm

betty.noire wrote:The liberal party is finished I think, what exactly do they stand for ?

The Liberal party havent existed for years, they are called Liberal Democrats now.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:29 pm

The Tory Party is actually called the Conservative Party. As long as we're being pedantic. But what is the correct description for the Party in opposition?
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Post by Ivanhoe on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:35 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The Tory Party is actually called the Conservative Party. As long as we're being pedantic. But what is the correct description for the Party in opposition?

Actually I believe it's insulting to refere to the right wing Tories as Conservatives.

The late Ted Heath was the last decent one nation left of centre small "c" Conservative we had. What we have had since the 80's and Thatcher, are right wing facist Tory's, who'se only interest is their own.

Wheras the likes of Ted Heath, and McMillan ect, were decent left wing Conservices who had a social conscience, who cared about people.

This is why I hate it when people refere to the modern Tory's, as Conservatives.
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