Re: Does it worry you that police officers in the UK are increasingly carrying firearms?

by **Shirina** on Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:59 pm

Are you suggesting that they needed automatic machine guns?

There was a case some time ago that was taped and is available to view (probably on YouTube). Two bank robbers had manufactured their own body armor, and armed with illegally obtained assault rifles, held off an entire precinct of police officers. The officers' standard issue sidearms were ineffective against the robbers' armor - 9mm bullets were bouncing off. Several officers were wounded as these criminals sprayed bullets into the police cruisers serving as cover. Two men ... just two ... were outgunning and overpowering dozens of policemen. This all happened in just a few minutes - and the situation was not resolved until SWAT, armed with M16A1 assault rifles and at least two snipers with high-powered, high velocity rifles arrived on the scene. One of the robbers was finally shot dead and the other surrendered. They came within inches of escaping.

So in answer, yes, the police do need automatic machine guns. These men had fully automatic AK-47s, illegal in the States; you cannot walk into Bob's Gun Shop and purchase one. Gun laws or not, these criminals would have gotten their hands on these weapons in either case. This incident changed the philosophy on how heavily armed the police ought to be.

But don't take my word for it. Watch it here:

by **RockOnBrother** on Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:53 pm

Shirina wrote:
So in answer, yes, the police do need automatic machine guns. These men had fully automatic AK-47s, illegal in the States; you cannot walk into Bob's Gun Shop and purchase one. Gun laws or not, these criminals would have gotten their hands on these weapons in either case. This incident changed the philosophy on how heavily armed the police ought to be.

But don't take my word for it. Watch it here:

[Video: North Hollywood Shootout 1997]

(More on 1997 North Hollywood shootout from page 1)

In North Hollywood, late 1997, LAPD could have used a rocket launcher and a few Hellfire "fire and forget" tank busters against the now infamous North Hollywood banl robbers.
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More video coverage of North Hollywood Shootout 1997:

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.1

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.2

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.3

1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.4

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Eleven hudred rounds fired by the robbes, six hundred fifty rounds returned by police and SWT, ten officers woundeed, seven civilians wounded, two bank robbers dead.

by Stox 16 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:22 am

RockOnBrother wrote:

Stox,

New Mexico is a gorgeous state. You ought to see Las Cruces at dawn and dusk from the scenic view turnout area few miles west on Interstate 10, right after the stretch where mean elevation rises to over four thousand feet. Wow.

New Mexico is also a bit wild. A nature-wise fellow that lived in a cabin up in the New Mexico mountains (an extension of the Rockies) went missing, a fact that became known only when he didn't show up in town for his regular provisioning visit. The sheriff and deputies went up to his cabin and he wasn't there. A search of the area revealed his mostly eaten body, with evidence that he had been ambushed, killed and eaten by a cougar/mountain lion/puma, take your pick, they're all the same.

Your friend seems ready for cougars, bears, and all other beasts, including human beasts in body armor welding AK-47s.

yes Rock, I fully agree New Mexico is a gorgeous state. we met when we was young soldiers but different armies and we just got on very well. I can understand having a rife but not a AK-47. but next time I am out there I will take a trip up interstate 10 and take a good look. I bet its just gorgeous.

by **RockOnBrother** on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:29 am

Stox,

Take a look-see. Photos do not do it justice.

by **Ivan** on Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:37 am

Just a reminder that the subject of this thread is: "Does it worry you that police officers in the UK are increasingly carrying firearms?"

by **Phil Hornby** on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:50 pm

"Does it worry you that police officers in the UK are increasingly carrying firearms?"

Only if they shoot people for going 'off-thread'... Smile

by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:23 pm

Guess I'll stay "on the Piste", then.

by Stox 16 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:15 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
Stox,

Take a look-see. Photos do not do it justice.

just amazing Rock. thanks