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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:37 am

I agree IVAN this thread has got a true heading, I do not know if you have heard but the Tory's are supposed to be setting up a UNION and no I am losing my mind so if they do our Labour MPs will be able to cast up to the Tories that they are in the pockets of the Union.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:07 pm

Among the most powerful Trade Associations in the Land are The Law Society, Chartered Accountants and the BMA.

But they don't choose to describe themselves as Trade Unions.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:18 pm

Tories govern with 'totalitarian attitude'

From an article by Aisha Gani:-

Playwright Alan Bennett has launched a withering attack on the Tories, describing their style of government as “quite close to a totalitarian attitude”. In an interview for ‘The Guardian’, Bennett said of the Conservatives: “It’s not merely that they want to be the governing party, but the only party, and that’s never been a part of British political tradition.”

Bennett supports Jeremy Corbyn, saying: “I approve of him. If only because it brings Labour back to what they ought to be thinking about.” He added: “I’m sure Corbyn is a risk, but everything he’s said seems to me to ring bells. The notion that Labour were wanting to choose somebody who would win the election when we are three, four years away from one, regardless of what half the nation wants – that seems to me far more risky than what they have done.”

Bennett, a regular passenger on the east coast mainline, said the opposition leader was “absolutely right” to want to nationalise the railways and that privatising the line “was pure ideology” of the Tory-led coalition government. “It was making a profit and there was no reason to sell it back again. No good arguments have been advanced for it.”

He attacked ‘The Daily Mail’ for its coverage of Corbyn not singing the national anthem. “Half the royal family don’t even sing it, they don’t even seem to know the words to Jerusalem. The notion that you are required to sing the national anthem in order to prove your patriotism, and if you don’t you’re not patriotic, is so absurd. The lies on the front page of ‘The Daily Mail’ are so vulgar and glaring.”


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:15 pm

A feature of fascism is the elimination of all opposition……..  silent

7 ways the Tories are rigging the system to lock Labour out of power

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- Keeping Labour voters off the electoral roll
- Making sure there are fewer Labour MPs
- Cutting funds of opposition parties
- Curtailing the power of the trade unions
- Stamping out opposition in the House of Lords
- Gagging charities and campaigners
- Stopping journalists from getting information


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:25 pm

All this tells me Ivan is that the Tories are determined to stay in power no matter how LOW they have to stoop.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:24 pm

As I said previously, a feature of fascism is to eliminate all opposition. When you look at everything the Tories are doing at present, it’s quite frightening.

Andrew Rawnsley writes:-

The Conservatives plan to reshape the electoral landscape to their benefit. There is the direct attack on Labour’s funding base from the trade unions that is now to be accompanied by an assault on the financing of all the opposition parties by depriving them of a substantial slice of the ‘Short money’ that supports their activities in Parliament. The redrawing of constituency boundaries will be worth a sackful of extra seats to the Tories at the next election. At the same time, the introduction of individual electoral registration will very likely reduce the number of non-Tories on the electoral roll, while an extension of the franchise to longstanding expats will very likely boost the numbers of Conservative voters.

It is one of the hallmarks of dictatorship that it is unable to see that government needs checks and balances on its behaviour, both to protect us from an overbearing executive and to save our rulers from themselves
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And then there is the House of Lords, which is now likely to lose its power to challenge secondary legislation, Tory plans to ‘review’ the Freedom of Information Act and scrap the Human Rights Act, and of course EVEL, which would effectively increase the Tories’ parliamentary majority from 12 to 105.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:14 am

The last line & a half of Andrew Rawnsley is IMPOSSIBLE, a leopard NEVER changes its spots, and it brings to mind my thoughts after the May 2015 general election. I think this all started before G.E with Sturgeon & Cameron to carve up the UK, the people of England would not listen to the Labour party so any suffering that the people of the UK have to go through will be on the shoulders of those that voted Tory in May 2015.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:27 pm

Defence secretary
Michael Fallon said the fear of being sued is stopping troops in their duties
Brought 2,000 cases against MoD following wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Ministers are preparing to withdraw from the European human rights act
But Lib Dem leader dismissed claim as the 'worst kind of jingoist rubbish'
By Imogen Calderwood For Mailonline

Here they go again, the holidays are not yet over and the Tory Bastards are planning their next attack on the people of Britain.
They say and I have no reason to doubt that 2,000 cases where brought against us. My problem is as to what the true meaning is behind the loss of our Human Rights.
1/ Are the Government truly worried for our troops
2/ Are they using the Military as an excuse to bring us ever closer to a Fascist State.
3/ Is it simply another crap policy just to save yet more cash I.e. the cost to the Government for the said Court cases.
There are probably loads of reasons others could think of and add to my paltry list.
If the Government get their way with the removal of our Human Rights, it opens the door for the rest of their ideologically led policies.
We would have the power to remove said policy along with the power to take the “what would become a Conservative Dictatorship”.
If you doubt this, think of what you would have thought had this been put to you twenty years ago especially coupled to the rest of the Conservative attacks on the majority of our population especially the Poor, sick and elderly. We already have rises in crime, loss of hospital beds, loss of Doctors and Nurses loss of civil servants to provide the administration to the needs of the Tory targets let alone Police, Ambulance and Fire Brigade cover.
After cuts in water defences we are now witnessing terrible flooding in the North which the Government will blame everything but their cuts.
Not only all that and more, are the troops they profess to be helping, the very same ones they would quite happily sack whilst actually on the front line fighting as they have already done.
Once we have lost our human rights, all else will follow.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:55 pm

Tories undermining Labour funding with 'partisan' trade union bill

From an article by Nicholas Watt and Patrick Wintour:-

In one of the strongest attacks on a government by a retired senior civil servant, Bob Kerslake said the trade union bill marked a “partisan and disproportionate” attempt to improve the position of the Conservatives at the expense of Labour.

A confidential Labour Party document released to ‘The Guardian’ revealed that the party faced an expected £6m drop in its annual income as a result of the changes to the political levy being introduced in the trade union bill, making it impossible for it to maintain its current structure, staffing or offices.

Kerslake, who was head of the civil service between 2011 and 2014, wrote: “Taken with the other measures being put forward by the government – curtailing the powers of the Lords, watering down the Freedom of Information Act, cutting the so-called ‘short money’ to support the opposition parties – they demonstrate a worryingly authoritarian streak in this government that is not comfortable with scrutiny and challenge.”

On the introduction of a new “opt-in” requirement for trade union members to agree to fund Labour, Kerslake wrote: “In the absence of a proper review of the funding of political parties, this can only be seen as a one-sided attempt by one political party to undermine the main funding source of another. It opens the door for a tit-for-tat response by Labour at some time in the future.”


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:50 pm

Gideon has also cut the allocation of public funds to Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

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What can the Tories be trying to do?
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:30 am

Another easy question OW, trying to get rid of the Labour party so people have no where else to go so they remain in power for eternity God Help us all if this happens. If this happens things will get even worse than they are now and it will be back to Charles Dickenss days for us plebs when we had to tug our forlocks to the likes of Davy boy and his OINKS.
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Post by Ivan on Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:12 am

Shunning Israeli goods to become criminal offence for public bodies and student unions

From an article by Oliver Wright:-

Local councils, public bodies and even some university student unions are to be banned by law from boycotting “unethical” companies, as part of a controversial crackdown being announced by the government. Under the plan all publicly funded institutions will lose the freedom to refuse to buy goods and services from companies involved in the arms trade, fossil fuels, tobacco products or Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. Any public bodies that continue to pursue boycotts will face “severe penalties”.

A spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn said: “The government’s decision to ban councils and other public bodies from divesting from trade or investments they regard as unethical is an attack on local democracy. People have the right to elect local representatives able to make decisions free of central government political control. That includes withdrawal of investments or procurement on ethical and human rights grounds. This government’s ban would have outlawed council action against apartheid South Africa. Ministers talk about devolution, but in practice they’re imposing Conservative Party policies on elected local councils across the board.”


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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:05 am

IVAN What next a ban on ALL demonstrations no matter what you want to demonstrate against this is the beginning of the end of the freedoms our ancestors fought for, this should be a wake up call for the entire UK the Tories have NO intensions of ever giving upp the power they now hold.

As for the title of this thread I think you will need to change it from velvet gloved Facists to "OUT & OUT FACISTS"
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:45 pm

.... for so long as they still have a place to live in that has a letterbox.
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Post by Redflag on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:33 am

OW I think your post is a BIT too much, but understand your point if you are talking about those that are Homeless or living in hotels funded by the local gov't.
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Post by Ivan on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:48 pm

The ‘Russia Today’ state broadcaster (RT) has had its accounts frozen without warning by the Nat West bank, which is currently 73% state-owned. This will make it difficult for RT to continue operating its London-based television channel, and in effect this amounts to censorship. Downing Street has claimed that the decision was entirely that of the bank - believe that one if you like. It’s hardly any wonder that the BBC is so frightened of offending the Tories.

Meanwhile, Tory councillor Christian Holliday, who represents Burpham on Guildford Borough Council, has started a petition to Parliament proposing an amendment to the Treason Felony Act. He wants to make supporting UK membership of the European Union after the UK leaves a crime punishable by life in prison. Guildford Conservative Association says it is “aware of the petition” and “will consider the matter in due course”.

Here is Mr Holliday with one of his pals……  Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Ivan on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:09 am

These aren’t hard Brexiters. They’re political extremists

Extracts from an article by Zoe Williams:-

"No serious government would have Boris Johnson in its cabinet. Theresa May’s appointments – most recently, the announcement of her EU exit and trade committee – are all made to appease the most extreme elements of her party. Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Chris Grayling, Andrea Leadsom, Amber Rudd, Priti Patel, Patrick McLoughlin – leaving aside the specific deficiencies of each character, they are all known now as 'hard Brexiters', for which the umbrella term is 'political extremists'.

After the acres of print and aeons of time spent discussing the takeover of the Labour Party, a more pressing matter has been left more or less ignored. The actual party of government has been seized by its radical wing. We worry about the toxicity of their rhetoric and the chaos they create while leaving tactfully unsaid that this is because they are fanatics.

Only now does the picture solidify: we are in the grip of the most fervent radicals, people willing to sacrifice everything – grants, investment, trade, security, standing, solidarity, legal apparatus built up by decades of painstaking co-operation – at the altar of a concept (sovereignty) that nobody really understands, and a principle (taking back control) that is abstract to the point of meaninglessness.

You’d expect the hard Brexiters to be taking delight in their own victory, where instead there is only a querulous obsession with naysayers. You’d think, given the burning fury of their convictions, that they would be overflowing with plans, yet the plan extends no further than to protect themselves from scrutiny and debate.
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Post by boatlady on Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:41 am

Christian Holliday from Burpham - sounds like a cartoon character
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:03 am

Clearly UKIP does not have the only known collection of loony-tunes within its ranks, but Cllr Holliday from Burpham is not even original in his ambitions. For years, militant Muslims have referred to non-believers as infidels who must be killed for their intransigence.

Why should we not have a home-grown British eccentric version?
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Post by Ivan on Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:55 am

The path to fascism:-
- Find scapegoats
- Create simplistic slogans
- Be overtly nationalistic
- Insult the intelligentsia
- Denigrate the judiciary

How is it going? Evil or Very Mad
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Post by boatlady on Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:39 pm

Anyone who lived through the '30's in Germany can surely recognise the current political landscape
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Post by boatlady on Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:29 am

I think it's true that the BBC is to some extent in thrall to the incumbent government - on which it largely depends for its income - maybe the time for a publicly funded broadcasting organisation is past as it seems governments are no longer to be trusted with any form of the truth
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:31 pm

Absurd to even think it, I know, but perhaps not dissimilar to conditions then prevailing in Ulster when people like Martin McGuiness embarked upon the course of action which they did, in response to a perceived intransigence of a ruling Conservative and Unionist Party there.

God forbid a repetition.
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Post by Ivan on Wed May 03, 2017 11:58 pm

The Tories always have to invent enemies for general elections, in order to deflect attention away from their vile intentions. We've had communists, unions, immigrants, benefit scroungers and even Ed Miliband's father - but this time it's the EU. However, there's nothing new in this tactic.....

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Post by Ivan on Sun May 07, 2017 11:47 pm

Every time you hear that deluded and dangerous woman parroting her mindless claptrap, think of where it came from....  Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Ivan on Sun May 14, 2017 4:20 pm

Theresa May’s Vapid Vision for a One-Party State

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Ever since she took over from Cameron, Theresa May has spoken as if Britain is a nation harmoniously united, aside from the divisive forces of party politics and liberal elites seeking to thwart the “will of the people”. The first part of this is simply untrue: 48% of the public voted to remain in the EU, while the other 52% held various ideas of what leaving could or should mean in practice.

Labour, under the socialist leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, has been regularly putting out clear and reasonably worked-out policy proposals since the election was announced. By contrast, May has made scarcely any statements regarding policy. Her speeches and campaign literature are peppered with the slogan “strong and stable leadership”, a phrase she then recites on the few occasions that she takes questions from journalists or members of the public. The very basis on which she is asking to be trusted and to be elected seems different from an ordinary policy platform; May’s virtual silence on the economy is astonishing.

What is worrying about May is that she seems to be deliberately aggravating Britain’s existential anxiety, precisely so as to benefit from it personally. Her extraordinary Trumpian accusation that EU leaders are seeking to interfere in the election seems to be aimed at stoking nationalist resentment toward the very people who will end up deciding what type of trade deals and 'divorce bill' Britain will be granted. This suggests that she views the destruction of the Labour Party as a more important national priority than Britain’s long-term economic prosperity.

With no explanation of how, May claims that “every single vote for me and Conservative candidates will be a vote that strengthens my hand in the negotiations for Brexit.” Brexit will be fiendishly difficult, but there is no reason it has to be draped in so much nationalistic gravitas and secrecy, nor does it have to mean the hugely risky departure from the European single market. But that’s the path that May has chosen. Her gambit is to present herself and the Tories as the one certainty in an otherwise chaotic political situation, with party politics a symptom of weakness and chaos, but she refuses to acknowledge the crucial contribution that she and her party made to this chaos in the first place.


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Post by oftenwrong on Sun May 14, 2017 9:44 pm

I'm trying to remember who else it was that thought she personified the British State.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 31, 2017 11:54 am

Ashdown 'horrified' by parallels between UK and 1930s Germany

.... “We are the only advanced democracy in the world in which the leader of our nation can get away with not turning up to have a proper debate with the opposition. I think it is extraordinary and we don’t seem to be kicking up a fuss about it.” ....

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