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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:50 pm

Tories get their rocks off by re-reading Charles Dickens' references to the Workhouse.

Arbeit macht frei!


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:30 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:so if I have fairy God person out there I hope he/she is listening..
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I am. Unfortunately there's little I can do. The people in power are impervious to anything other than their own selves and policies. You could try Voldemort. He is about their level.

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I have to admit that I am becoming concerned with this governments' dogmatic attitude. I realise the need for change but not at the expense of commonsense and consultation. If you ignore advice from the experts in a particular sphere, then there must be cause for concern.

Looking at what is happening I beginning to wonder if the Monster Raving Loony Party has been infiltrating No 10. :affraid:

Gerrymandering constituences is not new.
I would be happy with a new look House of Lords. I am not convinced of an elected House. It could become a rubber stamp for the Commons, without safeguards. Currently the present house is hampering, rightly, the Government and trying to get safeguards and alterations to protect the vulnerable. The PROBLEM with the current house is the promoting of politicians to the Lords. This can be open to abuse, as we have seen.

I just hope and pray that I do have some body up there looking for us all trevor2539 because it does not look like the UK public are not waking up to the Nasty party why are they not getting angry with these Backstuds?
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:53 pm

Red Flag.

I just hope and pray that I do have some body up there looking for us all trevor2539 because it does not look like the UK public are not waking up to the Nasty party why are they not getting angry with these Backstuds?

Spoke to the boss last night. He says he's working on the Lib.Dems. He says there are signs that they are becoming unhappy at the NHS bill. He'll keep trying but it's hard when people won't listen.

God came down and saw a poor man sitting on the steps of an impressive looking church. ''What's the matter' He asked the man.
'I've been trying to get in', He was told.
'I know the problem' said God 'I've been trying to get in there for years'. Wink
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Stox 16 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:28 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:Red Flag.

I just hope and pray that I do have some body up there looking for us all trevor2539 because it does not look like the UK public are not waking up to the Nasty party why are they not getting angry with these Backstuds?

Spoke to the boss last night. He says he's working on the Lib.Dems. He says there are signs that they are becoming unhappy at the NHS bill. He'll keep trying but it's hard when people won't listen.

God came down and saw a poor man sitting on the steps of an impressive looking church. ''What's the matter' He asked the man.
'I've been trying to get in', He was told.
'I know the problem' said God 'I've been trying to get in there for years'. Wink

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we live in very interesting times, I believe there is a sea change coming. The nasty party are spending a great deal of time having to pump out there PR...but just ask yourself this one question...how long will put up with a economy that offers no rest-bit? I think not long...people are starting to get over the shock of the world banking crisis and are no starting to look at what the economy is doing...what's more they are starting to question all of this...Time and a weak economy will in the end do a great deal to seal the fate of the Government.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Mel on Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:10 pm

I see the beaky nosed Con man Cameron is calling people who do not trust big business people "snobs". That's rich coming from that clown.

He went on to say that profit via business is a good thing for helping those at the bottonm of the ladder. We all know where the bloody profit goes do we not?
A lady working in Sainsbury said she earns the top rate as she has been with the firm for 16yrs. £6.30 per hour. That is what big business do, they make profit on the backs of their staff and by ripping us all off with their so called offers.
The con man went on to say that "if a youngster gets to University for say four weeks free of charge, then why should't a youngster work for Tesco for free."

He has a one track mind like all those greedy Tory gits, profit, profit and more profit at any cost to anyone except themselves. Bloody blood sucking parasites if ever there was. Bloody angry that the barsteward has the gall to come out with these disgusting statement. Arrogance at its highest.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:41 pm

Stox 16 wrote:
trevorw2539 wrote:Red Flag.

I just hope and pray that I do have some body up there looking for us all trevor2539 because it does not look like the UK public are not waking up to the Nasty party why are they not getting angry with these Backstuds?

Spoke to the boss last night. He says he's working on the Lib.Dems. He says there are signs that they are becoming unhappy at the NHS bill. He'll keep trying but it's hard when people won't listen.

God came down and saw a poor man sitting on the steps of an impressive looking church. ''What's the matter' He asked the man.
'I've been trying to get in', He was told.
'I know the problem' said God 'I've been trying to get in there for years'. Wink

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we live in very interesting times, I believe there is a sea change coming. The nasty party are spending a great deal of time having to pump out there PR...but just ask yourself this one question...how long will put up with a economy that offers no rest-bit? I think not long...people are starting to get over the shock of the world banking crisis and are no starting to look at what the economy is doing...what's more they are starting to question all of this...Time and a weak economy will in the end do a great deal to seal the fate of the Government.

I think you're right in saying that people are beginning to see the truth. I started out believing that things needed changing. I still do, but I do not see them changing in a positive way under this government. At least, not positive for the ordinary people.
If I need advice I go to the experts. So do the government, only to ignore those same people. That is stupity/ignorance - take your pick.

One turning point for me was Bombardier, and our lack of support for it. A few weeks before Cameron was on about boosting our industry. Was Bombardier a sop to Germany. I notice that Siemens shortly after invested in this country. (Can't remember what it was). Then there was the aircraft incident with India. A £1b in foreign aid to a country obsessed with nuclear weapons and worse, a population of hungry people. I know that some nations round India have the same. But what good does it do? Still, nations never learn. If one nation uses a nuclear warhead the probability is that the world will go up in smoke. Even if it is localised the land polluted will be of no use!
As the Preacher once said 'Vanity of vanities, all is vanity'. Sad

Stop preaching to the enlightened Trevorw Embarassed
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:41 pm

It's actually quite easy to understand why the Tories publicly despise anyone who is not self-employed - it's the only way to get rich. Getting away for a moment from minimum wage, there are many employees who earn most of their income on commission. The successful ones can do very well, taking home at least £500 a week. But they are still not making anywhere near what the Boss is earning from their labours. X Eight is a common factor. Unless a commission salesman is bringing in to the company 8 times what he is earning, he'll find the Sales Director on his case.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by astra on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:09 pm

The con man went on to say that "if a youngster gets to University for say four weeks free of charge, then why should't a youngster work for Tesco for free."

Rich innit MEL!!

This pompous piece of self centred cr4p was quite content to accept FREE education for himself and his wife - all provided by the very people he now despises.

OH how nice and empathic he will be come the run up to the next erection - well it gives HIM a hard on!
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:54 pm

Mel wrote:I see the beaky nosed Con man Cameron is calling people who do not trust big business people "snobs". That's rich coming from that clown.

He went on to say that profit via business is a good thing for helping those at the bottonm of the ladder. We all know where the bloody profit goes do we not?
A lady working in Sainsbury said she earns the top rate as she has been with the firm for 16yrs. £6.30 per hour. That is what big business do, they make profit on the backs of their staff and by ripping us all off with their so called offers.
The con man went on to say that "if a youngster gets to University for say four weeks free of charge, then why should't a youngster work for Tesco for free."

He has a one track mind like all those greedy Tory gits, profit, profit and more profit at any cost to anyone except themselves. Bloody blood sucking parasites if ever there was. Bloody angry that the barsteward has the gall to come out with these disgusting statement. Arrogance at its highest.

Hi Mel here is something my mum told me about the Tories "My self first myself again if there is anything left myself again" I think that sums them up nicely.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:20 am

Redflag wrote:
Mel wrote:I see the beaky nosed Con man Cameron is calling people who do not trust big business people "snobs". That's rich coming from that clown.

He went on to say that profit via business is a good thing for helping those at the bottonm of the ladder. We all know where the bloody profit goes do we not?
A lady working in Sainsbury said she earns the top rate as she has been with the firm for 16yrs. £6.30 per hour. That is what big business do, they make profit on the backs of their staff and by ripping us all off with their so called offers.
The con man went on to say that "if a youngster gets to University for say four weeks free of charge, then why should't a youngster work for Tesco for free."

He has a one track mind like all those greedy Tory gits, profit, profit and more profit at any cost to anyone except themselves. Bloody blood sucking parasites if ever there was. Bloody angry that the barsteward has the gall to come out with these disgusting statement. Arrogance at its highest.

Hi Mel here is something my mum told me about the Tories "My self first myself again if there is anything left myself again" I think that sums them up nicely.

O boy does it Red and you are spot on Mel...The supermarkets are just about the worst at it...kids stacking spuds is not a job is it...I know someone has too do it. but they use this kids a great deal..
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Post by Mel on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:51 am

What is the good of a CV that states one has work experience of only four months doing what? Stacking shelves for a cheap labour employer?

Tesco and even Co-op had previously been employing 16yr olds at £2.50 per hour then sacking them when they reached the age for a min wage.

Cameron and Co were aware of this and yet they offer the multimillion pound ripp off companies another opportunity to fleece our young people.

I say put the young into small/medium manufacturing firms for example and pay them their dole and a wage to bring the total to a min wage as an extra incentive. Then we might see some enthusiasm from both the employer and the emolyee.
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Post by Mel on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:25 am

I think their policies are more like 1930's Germany than anything else, orders not to recussitate disabled children, old people and disabled left to die in "homes" that are more like concentration camps. rights erroded. black shirted police being used to violently oppress any dissent,lots more people dying in police custody unreported in the news. the victimisation of the disabled and gay or religious minorities by calling them names in their propaganda leaflets like the sun and the daily mail. taking power by declaring themselves as winners of elections that they didn't win by using a pretend coalition as an excuse. ( not sure the nazi's did that last bit but they did sieze power from a tired old ex chancellor, a bit like they did with brown.)

How so true. Extract from a Guardian readers thoughts.
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:26 am

Mel wrote:What is the good of a CV that states one has work experience of only four months doing what? Stacking shelves for a cheap labour employer?

Tesco and even Co-op had previously been employing 16yr olds at £2.50 per hour then sacking them when they reached the age for a min wage.

Cameron and Co were aware of this and yet they offer the multimillion pound ripp off companies another opportunity to fleece our young people.

I say put the young into small/medium manufacturing firms for example and pay them their dole and a wage to bring the total to a min wage as an extra incentive. Then we might see some enthusiasm from both the employer and the emolyee.

What kind of experience can that give a kid if it involved real training ie how the stock controlled worked what happens in there offices and how to attract the customer to certain products that in my book is training not just BRAIN NUMBING for ANYBODY not just the kids or put them into small manufacturing company anything that helps them get on that first rung of the career ladder with there J.S.A and a bit of a increment from the business that would be training with real meaning.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:11 am

What kind of experience can that give a kid if it involved real training ie how the stock controlled worked what happens in there offices and how to attract the customer to certain products that in my book is training not just BRAIN NUMBING for ANYBODY not just the kids or put them into small manufacturing company anything that helps them get on that first rung of the career ladder with there J.S.A and a bit of a increment from the business that would be training with real meaning..
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And let the world know how they're conning us to make their profits. Shocked Very Happy

Fair enough if they intend keeping them on.

I will agree that there is sense if the training is meaningful, but then most of the youngsters will probably never work in the store, or whatever workplace they are put in, so what will that particular training do for them. Apart from giving them the experience of working environments.

Again, I agree with putting them into 'work'. But for it to be meaningful it has to be in their chosen 'career' where possible, or the training will be wasted. .

It doesn't always work as young people often realise they have chosen the wrong career after a while, but at least for many it will be a meaningful start.

I have trained many young people only to lose them when they realised their mistake. It's a chance all employers, managers have to take.

And they must be rewarded.
I would not work for nothing if I had bills to pay, and youngsters do have bills to pay, often parents to 'pay' -for their keep, clothes to buy, etc. Naturism in our climate is ill advised. Smile

The solution?
Does anyone remember the film 'Logans Run'. Perhaps we should try that. No old people. Oh. Hang on. I'm an OAP.

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Post by bobby on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:22 pm

trevorw said:

Again, I agree with putting them into 'work'. But for it to be meaningful it has to be in their chosen 'career' where possible, or the training will be wasted. .

The trouble is they will all now want to be Bankers:D

I agree in theory, regarding training, and i'm not absolutely convinced it needs to be of their chose field.

I remember, some years ago, when the unemployed where entitled to work in their own professions, ex North Sea Oil Workers, moved to the surfing centres of Cornwall and refused any job offered unless it was on an oil rig. Back then, little chance of that.

It was a matter of the few spoiling it for the many, as is happening today with some benefit claimants. In all fairness though, I can see no harm in forcing training on people, especially if these people have proven history, that they can but don’t want to work, but they must get paid for what they do, and at the minimum wage at the least, and the training must for the suitable trainee, offer a future.

The problem we face and have since the 80’s is that our manufacturing base has all but gone, and what little we have left, Herr Cameron is trying to destroy, by allowing any decent contracts to go abroad.

We should be encouraging our own manufacturing growth, and with them will come jobs and training opportunities, I mean it aint rocket science, but obviously totally beyond this Tory led Coalition.



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Post by blueturando on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:54 pm

Maybe if this training is rolled out to all businesses and not just big business, then youngsters can have a choice of the Business areas they would like to receive training in

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Post by astra on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:56 pm

I have little time for Alex Salmond, but listening to BBC Parliament channel rereun at about 3am, he was ripping into labour AND tory arguments about infrastructure spending being decreased. "Alistair Darling signed such and such an amount for this, then decreased it, and the Tory government have decreased this AGAIN!

The OECD have said that Scotland will have a manufacturing base contributing to her GDP and will be number 6 on the list of producing countries. Is this why Cameron is desperately trying to hold onto the union?

I have looked for the OECD report, will try again, and post if I am lucky.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:40 pm

I apologise if this has been mentioned on a thread while I've been out. Public sector pay frozen again and benefits up by 5%.

A tender was put out for building of tankers. An Italian firm bid and guaranteed to build them from 'scratch' in Britain, with most of the 'products' obtained here.
The contract was awarded to South Korea because - wait for it - 'we don't build tankers in Britain'. So much for supporting British industry.

As the Bard (whoever he was) put it 'Now is the winter of our discontent compounded by this ................ Government'. Well something like that anyway. Surprised

Ah well. Move over penguins, I'm coming to join you in the Antarctic. Free igloos. Free heating - seal oil. Wonder what seal blubber tastes like?
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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:08 pm

Stox16. Apologies for jumping in on your posts of Wed. I looked on other threads but missed that one. Embarassed
I think the PM's promotion of British Industry is pretty much 'dead as a Dodo'.

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Post by astra on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:24 pm

'we don't build tankers in Britain'
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Nope!

RFA Sir Gallahad #1 built at Govan - (Fairfield Shipbuilding, on the Clyde)
RFA Sir Gallahad #2 built Swann Hunter (on the Tyne) Now as of 5 December 2007 commissioned as the Brazilian Navy's Garcia D'Avila (G 29)
MV Derbyshire and sister ships built (on the Tees) These rivers must be somewhere outside Europe!

Building a tanker is akin - I imagine, to building a steam boiler. All that pressure and gas Has to be contained.

Have you seen the trouble the private, volunteer railways have in contracting boiler engineers/designers and fitters?

Now I wonder who screwed, er caused THAT situation??


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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:32 pm

bobby wrote:trevorw said:

Again, I agree with putting them into 'work'. But for it to be meaningful it has to be in their chosen 'career' where possible, or the training will be wasted. .

The trouble is they will all now want to be Bankers:D

I agree in theory, regarding training, and i'm not absolutely convinced it needs to be of their chose field.

I remember, some years ago, when the unemployed where entitled to work in their own professions, ex North Sea Oil Workers, moved to the surfing centres of Cornwall and refused any job offered unless it was on an oil rig. Back then, little chance of that.

It was a matter of the few spoiling it for the many, as is happening today with some benefit claimants. In all fairness though, I can see no harm in forcing training on people, especially if these people have proven history, that they can but don’t want to work, but they must get paid for what they do, and at the minimum wage at the least, and the training must for the suitable trainee, offer a future.

The problem we face and have since the 80’s is that our manufacturing base has all but gone, and what little we have left, Herr Cameron is trying to destroy, by allowing any decent contracts to go abroad.

We should be encouraging our own manufacturing growth, and with them will come jobs and training opportunities, I mean it aint rocket science, but obviously totally beyond this Tory led Coalition.




They would also have make up there J.S.A to the minimum wage so that they have something to go to work for and give that first wage packet, have you seen that Poundland and Greggs have also pulled out just goes to show it was Slave Labour that was the real reason for the scheme.
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Post by astra on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:54 pm

Obviously ALL these PEOPLE met the criteria laid down by Jobcertre Minus (or is that plus?) and the Gubmint.

These criteria would in no way match the criteria laid down by the employers. I have seen MANY graduates apply for bus driving and had to fail them on the "Garage Test". Exellent communicators and public orientated one and all, but getting them through the PSV test (as was) was going to take far far longer that the 2 weeks the company was willing to provide driving lessons. (I do not know about now, but up to the early 80s a car driving licence was not a prerequisite of learning to drive a bus - double decker crash gear box and all!)
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:08 pm

It's highly regrettable that this government's policies are making it alright to despise The Poor.

Human dignity is worth more than being told to work for nothing, the clear implication being because that's what you're worth. Nothing.
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Post by astra on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Agreed, OW,

Slap a child or a puppy on the head, and tell them they are stupid, ignorant, not paying attention for long enough and eventually, though quicker than you would imagine, they start to beleive you

Seems to me this is all we have had from Westminster since that fatefull day in 1979!
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Post by bobby on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:50 pm

Hello Red. I think Herr Cameron wanted us to believe him to be doing the right thing. Only it falls apart because the git has no idea of what is and isn't right. We can bet our bottom dollar/pound/euro that anything they do has an ulterior motive, and we know that there is nowt in anything they do for the Poor, sick ,elderly and the unemployed.
If they are not going to keep existing requisites built here now, what chance of any in the future, They have now shown beyond any shadow of a doubt, they have no intention of assisting. British Industry.

I really hope that all they have now embarked on will be their Poll Tax moment. But how long will it take for people to open their eyes and see what is happening.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Mel on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:32 pm

blueturando. Quote "No offense Ivan because I usually take great care in reading and trying to answer you posts, but on this occasion your post is not political but ridiculously offensive and nonsensical.
I could do the same and say things about Adolf Brown and the war criminal Blair....and how the only violent people in Britain are the militant left but to be honest I am better than that and I would prefer to answer serious politcal issues, not miguided fantasy posts"

I have to take issue with you blue on your comments upon my learned friend Ivan's post.
It is very plain indeed to see the comparisons with the Tory ideology and Hitler and his Nazi party. It may not be to your liking, however it is very near to the truth as one can get.

Your could not even begin to attempt to say that Brown and Blair were fascists. Yes Blair went to war and so did Thatcher.
How you could possibly bring Brown into the equasion really is "nonsensicle and utterly rediculous"

If you refer to the violent people in Britain, I presume you mean the miners and the unions. Both became violent against a virtual police state created by the Witch. They were trying to protect their jobs and their families and that's all.
How you can sit back and defend this cruel Tory dominated so called government, is really very rediculous.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:29 pm

In my estimation, the typical standard of behaviour of British people has generally deteriorated in my lifetime. Folk - from the very young to the quite mature - are more foul-mouthed , dishonest , and less self-disciplined and compassionate.

The present Tory government is, by its uncaring and cynical policy framework, simply further brutalising an already all-too-uncaring public. There is nothing - absolutely nothing - that Cameron and his Circus of Dangerous Animals are doing which will improve the nature of the citizen in Britain....
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:46 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:In my estimation, the typical standard of behaviour of British people has generally deteriorated in my lifetime. Folk - from the very young to the quite mature - are more foul-mouthed , dishonest , and less self-disciplined and compassionate.

The present Tory government is, by its uncaring and cynical policy framework, simply further brutalising an already all-too-uncaring public. There is nothing - absolutely nothing - that Cameron and his Circus of Dangerous Animals are doing which will improve the nature of the citizen in Britain....

Here I put my hands up to the foul-mouthed PH my excuse is the Tories in there not giving a damn uncaring attitude is enough to drive the most placid to loose there temper.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by astra on Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:04 pm

Just to stir this up a bit


You cannot compare Cameron to Adolf!

Adolf did his stuff with MASSIVE infrastructure and defence building with very poor population and slaves and a blockade to contend with (rightly - the blockade)

Cameron is creating a very poor population with slaves with NO defence building (are you aware the last Sir Gallahad is now serving in the Brazilian Navy? Sold for £5 million) No Infrastructure and little amounts of road building. HS2 does not count, who is going to get the building contract?


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:05 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:In my estimation, the typical standard of behaviour of British people has generally deteriorated in my lifetime. Folk - from the very young to the quite mature - are more foul-mouthed , dishonest , and less self-disciplined and compassionate.

The present Tory government is, by its uncaring and cynical policy framework, simply further brutalising an already all-too-uncaring public. There is nothing - absolutely nothing - that Cameron and his Circus of Dangerous Animals are doing which will improve the nature of the citizen in Britain....

All true, and began with the First World War, when Tommy Atkins realised that the casual entitlement assumed by the Officer Class was pure bluff.

Respect has to be earned, and those who would be our Rulers have forgotten how that's done.
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Post by Scarecrow on Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:58 am

Cameron and Osborne nay Gideon are banking heavily on Chinese investment , the Chinese economy is now slowing and it needs to. We give £ 5 billion over 5 years to India in aid , yet India gives £ 7 billion of it's own aid away elsewhere and the contracts that used to be in the bag for the aid are no longer forthcoming like in the old days. Andrew Mitchel tried to say that UK aid money has no strings attached , he must think we are all green behind the ears .
India has it's own space program and we give 5 billion in aid , this is the government free market in all it's glory with tax payers money.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Mel on Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:50 am

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Quote "In my estimation, the typical standard of behaviour of British people has generally deteriorated in my lifetime."

How so very very true Phil.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:21 am

How much of that attitude may have been learned from watching Films and TV made in other Countries?
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Post by trevorw2539 on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:47 pm

oftenwrong wrote:How much of that attitude may have been learned from watching Films and TV made in other Countries?

And watching the deterioration of standards across the world, via the TV news broadcasts, and the internet.. And I don't suggest we stop them!!!!

We have always had violence but the proliferation of suicide bombings, car bombings and some other violence seems to have accelerated, and people who used to protest 'peacefully' now resort to violence. How do we stop the spread of violence as seen elsewhere after the Tottenham riots, egged on by idiots on the internet, so say the courts. Education. Employment. Better standards of living. All play a part, but none are the complete answer. How many educated, employed, middle and higher class are on the 'fiddle' for more. Ooops. Bang goes my Knighthood Sad

We all want more, and many rightly need more

I don't have the answer. The world is going mad.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Mel on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:18 pm

"How much of that attitude may have been learned from watching Films and TV made in other Countries?"

Plenty OW. The main problem lies at the door of parents and the rediculous human rights act and the lack of the fear of God that no longer has any effect upon respect and care for ones neighbour.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:25 pm

bobby wrote:Hello Red. I think Herr Cameron wanted us to believe him to be doing the right thing. Only it falls apart because the git has no idea of what is and isn't right. We can bet our bottom dollar/pound/euro that anything they do has an ulterior motive, and we know that there is nowt in anything they do for the Poor, sick ,elderly and the unemployed.
If they are not going to keep existing requisites built here now, what chance of any in the future, They have now shown beyond any shadow of a doubt, they have no intention of assisting. British Industry.

I really hope that all they have now embarked on will be their Poll Tax moment. But how long will it take for people to open their eyes and see what is happening.

Hi bobby the only thing there is it will not all come out until there is another Gov't thats when there double dealing will be known, all the dodgy contracts with the Wealthy and just how many got away with paying there correct amount of tax it would be pleasant that I can say and how much they have left us in hock with the private contracts from the NHS.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by astra on Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:45 pm

"Burger King has announced it has pulled out of the Government's controversial work experience scheme.

The fast food giant said it had decided to cease its involvement in the Get Britain Working programme because of recent concerns expressed by the public.

The scheme has attracted growing criticism in recent weeks with opponents describing it as a form of "slave labour" because youngsters worked for nothing, while keeping their benefits.

Burger King said it had intended to take on youngsters on work experience at its Slough headquarters but had not recruited anyone for the scheme.

It said in a statement: "Burger King United Kingdom Ltd registered for the voluntary Get Britain Working work experience programme six weeks ago, with the intention of providing work experience at our HQ in Slough. Since then we have not recruited anyone for this scheme. Given the recent concerns expressed by the public we have decided to no longer have any involvement in the programme."



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Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 pm

astra wrote:
"Burger King has announced it has pulled out of the Government's controversial work experience scheme.

The fast food giant said it had decided to cease its involvement in the Get Britain Working programme because of recent concerns expressed by the public.

The scheme has attracted growing criticism in recent weeks with opponents describing it as a form of "slave labour" because youngsters worked for nothing, while keeping their benefits.

Burger King said it had intended to take on youngsters on work experience at its Slough headquarters but had not recruited anyone for the scheme.

It said in a statement: "Burger King United Kingdom Ltd registered for the voluntary Get Britain Working work experience programme six weeks ago, with the intention of providing work experience at our HQ in Slough. Since then we have not recruited anyone for this scheme. Given the recent concerns expressed by the public we have decided to no longer have any involvement in the programme."

Also Greggs the bakers have pulled out of the scheme so there is quite a few getting cold feet, and the reason for them pulling out because they know it is Slave Labour other wise they would not have pulled out.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:50 am

The principles of fascism are to spread propaganda, indoctrination, divide and rule by demonising a section of the population, then start a war.

Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. The Tories said over and over again that Labour caused the global credit crunch.

Cameron’s disastrous visit to a hospital in Newcastle – when journalists were locked in waiting rooms and patients confined to their beds – went largely unreported by the intimidated BBC, where Tory Chris Patten has been installed as chairman of its trust. It appears that the BBC has been gagged by the Tories. Not even a mention on the Radio 4 news at 6pm on 28 January of the welfare protests which closed roads around Oxford Circus in London, with disabled people demonstrating in wheelchairs. A story which has had prominence on a BBC website entitled ‘NHS in peril if shake-up fails’ turned out to be the opinion of just 50 of our 42,000 GPs.

Hitler burned books, the Tories close libraries. Gove is planning military cadets in every school – will they be called Cameron Youth? Hitler burned down the Reichstag, while the Tories and their Lib Dem poodles are gerrymandering constituencies, packing the House of Lords with cronies and have fixed the length of parliaments without any mandate.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. But Aidan Burley can go to a Nazi stag night and play with his mobile during a holocaust survivor’s lecture, and he’s still a Tory MP.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for unpaid.

All that’s needed now is a war, so that those of us who don’t support this evil government can be vilified as unpatriotic. Take your pick – Iran, Syria, or a re-match with Argentina? When even ‘The Daily Mail’ can see the similarities with Nazi Germany, it ought to be time for people to wake up and realise that this country is drifting into fascism under the jackboot of Cameron and his multimillionaire bullies.
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Post by LWS on Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:56 am

Ivan wrote:The principles of fascism are to spread propaganda, indoctrination, divide and rule by demonising a section of the population, then start a war.

Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. The Tories said over and over again that Labour caused the global credit crunch.

Cameron’s disastrous visit to a hospital in Newcastle – when journalists were locked in waiting rooms and patients confined to their beds – went largely unreported by the intimidated BBC, where Tory Chris Patten has been installed as chairman of its trust. It appears that the BBC has been gagged by the Tories. Not even a mention on the Radio 4 news at 6pm on 28 January of the welfare protests which closed roads around Oxford Circus in London, with disabled people demonstrating in wheelchairs. A story which has had prominence on a BBC website entitled ‘NHS in peril if shake-up fails’ turned out to be the opinion of just 50 of our 42,000 GPs.

Hitler burned books, the Tories close libraries. Gove is planning military cadets in every school – will they be called Cameron Youth? Hitler burned down the Reichstag, while the Tories and their Lib Dem poodles are gerrymandering constituencies, packing the House of Lords with cronies and have fixed the length of parliaments without any mandate.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. But Aidan Burley can go to a Nazi stag night and play with his mobile during a holocaust survivor’s lecture, and he’s still a Tory MP.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for unpaid.

All that’s needed now is a war, so that those of us who don’t support this evil government can be vilified as unpatriotic. Take your pick – Iran, Syria, or a re-match with Argentina? When even ‘The Daily Mail’ can see the similarities with Nazi Germany, it ought to be time for people to wake up and realise that this country is drifting into fascism under the jackboot of Cameron and his multimillionaire bullies.
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Couldn't agree more Ivan. The Tories however aren't 'velvet gloved fascists', but are clearly those of the jack booted variety, whom Hitler would have been proud of. They are totally dispicable to state the least.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:37 am

LWS wrote:
Ivan wrote:The principles of fascism are to spread propaganda, indoctrination, divide and rule by demonising a section of the population, then start a war.

Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. The Tories said over and over again that Labour caused the global credit crunch.

Cameron’s disastrous visit to a hospital in Newcastle – when journalists were locked in waiting rooms and patients confined to their beds – went largely unreported by the intimidated BBC, where Tory Chris Patten has been installed as chairman of its trust. It appears that the BBC has been gagged by the Tories. Not even a mention on the Radio 4 news at 6pm on 28 January of the welfare protests which closed roads around Oxford Circus in London, with disabled people demonstrating in wheelchairs. A story which has had prominence on a BBC website entitled ‘NHS in peril if shake-up fails’ turned out to be the opinion of just 50 of our 42,000 GPs.

Hitler burned books, the Tories close libraries. Gove is planning military cadets in every school – will they be called Cameron Youth? Hitler burned down the Reichstag, while the Tories and their Lib Dem poodles are gerrymandering constituencies, packing the House of Lords with cronies and have fixed the length of parliaments without any mandate.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. But Aidan Burley can go to a Nazi stag night and play with his mobile during a holocaust survivor’s lecture, and he’s still a Tory MP.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for unpaid.

All that’s needed now is a war, so that those of us who don’t support this evil government can be vilified as unpatriotic. Take your pick – Iran, Syria, or a re-match with Argentina? When even ‘The Daily Mail’ can see the similarities with Nazi Germany, it ought to be time for people to wake up and realise that this country is drifting into fascism under the jackboot of Cameron and his multimillionaire bullies.
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Couldn't agree more Ivan. The Tories however aren't 'velvet gloved fascists', but are clearly those of the jack booted variety, whom Hitler would have been proud of. They are totally dispicable to state the least.

And there using those jack boots to stamp all over the poor and disadvantaged people of the UK, yes I agree Ivan good post,
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