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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:16 pm

Ach Zo Ze retraction must haf bin anozer lie.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:26 pm

Looks like the truth is out, 'bobby' - you're really Angela Merkel , aren't you...? Shocked
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:19 pm

Looks like the truth is out, 'bobby' - you're really Angela Merkel , aren't you...?

Or Sarkoszy in drag?
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:50 pm

I dont mind being called a male tart, but Sarkozy is an insult too far.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:58 pm

bobby wrote:I dont mind being called a male tart, but Sarkozy is an insult too far.

There been quite unfair to you bobby I don't think you are any kind of tart.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:26 pm

I dont mind being called a male tart, but Sarkozy is an insult too far.

I apologise. I just thought your 'german' accent had a French 'twang' to it. Laughing
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by astradt1 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:32 pm

C amoron sidelines the House of Lords........

Does this mean that Dave will not be appointing any more Cronies to the Upper House?

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:41 pm

trevor. I'm sorry to confuse you Trev , but I forgot to add the nessesary a's.

I donna minda bina call uno Masculino tart, Butta to calla mi Sarkozy, issa taka de pis innit.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:11 pm

That's all we need - a multilingual transvestite.... Very Happy
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:29 pm

That's all we need - a multilingual transvestite....

Laughing Love it. Laughing
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:59 pm

Well Done Phil, I can not at the moment think of a good reply, plenty of crap ones, but none good.
See ya Domani Laughing cheers see hands up like a good Italian.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:05 am

By the way Phil as a multilingual Transvestite, does that mean I can multi task.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:19 am

bobby wrote:By the way Phil as a multilingual Transvestite, does that mean I can multi task.

To take you all back to the serious questions, I watched BBC Parliament channel yesterday and what a pile of Verbal Diarrhea coming soon to your area if you have a spare bedroom and your in a council rented property this shower of A**E H***S (TORY) are saying you have too rent it out because your H.B is getting cut for that spare bedroom.

I don't know about anybody else but my council do not allow you to rent out any part of my home unless I want to be evicted so what would your council say if you rent out your spare bedroom?
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:15 am

That may depend upon the number of working girls involved.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:04 am

I don't know about anybody else but my council do not allow you to rent out any part of my home unless I want to be evicted so what would your council say if you rent out your spare bedroom?.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:15 am

I see Herr Cameron no longer thinks Edd Miliband is a hypocrite, he did at one time call him that, but withdrew it this lunchtime on PMQ's.
Herr Cameron has finaly got something right.

I think he withdrew it only because you're not supposed to call anyone that in Parliament debates, mores the pity Crying or Very sad
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:12 pm

Trevorw sad:

"I think he withdrew it only because you're not supposed to call anyone that in Parliament debates, mores the pity Crying or Very sad"

Trevor d you recall when Dennis Healey called The wretch Gummer (I think) "an arrogant litte shit". And when pulled up by the Speaker of the house, was told to retract his statement, with that Dennis Healey asked whilt looking straight ino Gummers eyes "and what part do you want me to retract, "the arrogant, the little or the shit".

Deffinitely a classic bit of politics. Forgive me if the names are not correct but it was a long time ago.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:22 pm

Quote : ".... as a multilingual Transvestite, does that mean I can multi task.."

bobby : I imagine that you could indeed have a dirty weekend in several languages without anyone else needing to be involved in any way... Very Happy
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:38 pm

bobby wrote:Trevorw sad:

"I think he withdrew it only because you're not supposed to call anyone that in Parliament debates, mores the pity Crying or Very sad"

Trevor d you recall when Dennis Healey called The wretch Gummer (I think) "an arrogant litte shit". And when pulled up by the Speaker of the house, was told to retract his statement, with that Dennis Healey asked whilt looking straight ino Gummers eyes "and what part do you want me to retract, "the arrogant, the little or the shit".

Deffinitely a classic bit of politics. Forgive me if the names are not correct but it was a long time ago.

Hi bobby the MP for Devises female called the Labour shadow a Twit and was forced to retract by the speaker, also the Minister (She who had to u-turn on the Forests) would not Give Way to the Labour benches so our shadow Minister would not give way to the Tory benches thats is why she was called a Twit by the above mentioned tart if you can get a chance to watch it maybe on the BBC web site watch it there was more bad news for the low paid and vulnerable.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:38 pm

Trevor.....Bless you people....so Misguided, all like a bunch of little lost puppies

I see Herr Cameron no longer thinks Edd Miliband is a hypocrite, he did at one time call him that, but withdrew it this lunchtime on PMQ's.
Herr Cameron has finaly got something right.

Comrade Milibandski is a hypocrite!!! But what do you expect from the Hypocrisy Party...Got to have a little dig and highlight any Tory millionaires on the front benches........Of dear, I had better not mention my own wealth then because that would be hypocrisy wouldn't it????

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:41 pm

Trevor.....Bless you people....so Misguided, all like a bunch of little lost puppies

Don't understand this comment. I merely commented on the do'es and don'ts in Parliament. They spoil the entertainment sometimes.

I have nothing against the rich of any party if they gained their money legitimately and use it wisely. I have never been in the position of being rich. Sad
Anyone lend me a couple of quid? Very Happy .
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:53 pm

Blueturando wrote.

"Comrade Milibandski is a hypocrite!!!"

How can that be bluey. I heard with my own eyes, the git Herr Cameron retracted the statement that Edd Miliband is a hypocrite. Your not trying to tell me that your gloreous leader tells untruthes, are you.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:56 pm

Well there I agree with you Trev....forgive me I am off 'on one' today.
Yes they do sometimes spoil the fun...I like the banter sometimes

I have nothing against the rich of any party if they gained their money legitimately and use it wisely. I have never been in the position of being rich.
Anyone lend me a couple of quid?

Me neither Trev....maybe one day though...working on it!

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Post by blueturando on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:58 pm

Sorry Bobby....He was made to retract it as it's in the parliamenary rules

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Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:58 pm

Well your in the right place bluey, if you dont like Tax.
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Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:02 pm

Bluey my remark was made tongue in cheek. Yet your response I must admit is a bit arse in face.

May I direct you to a good hospital who specialise in Sence of Humour transplants, but get there quick before Herr Cameron has it closed.

The whole point of my post was to show how one can write a report but by using an ommision or two, a different story is told, you know, as Herr Cameron does it so often he actually ends up believing himself.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:17 pm

Sorry Bobby....Hard to tell sometimes on here, but I apologise if I was arsy for no reason

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Post by blueturando on Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:21 pm

Well your in the right place bluey, if you dont like Tax..

It's not that I don't like it...Tax has to be paid, but I was just saying it's different over here as the the rate is fixed for everyone at the same level...But! I do pay a higher level in Social Security, business and corporate taxes.

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Post by bobby on Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:30 pm

Blueturando wrote "Sorry Bobby....Hard to tell sometimes on here, but I apologise if I was arsy for no reason"

Does that mean we are born again friends then?
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:34 pm

The amount of tax paid by residents of the Channel Islands is, presumably, a matter for them to agree among themselves.

The running sore is that British Companies (including nearly every one of our Banks and Building Societies) and "High nett worth individuals" also find the CI a convenient home for extraordinary sums of cash.

Why is that?
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Post by blueturando on Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:14 am

Does that mean we are born again friends then?.

I hope so Bobby....I respect all political views and people here. It would be easier for me to sit and post on a Tory led forum, but I don't see the point...I would rather have good debate with you guys..and girls

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Post by blueturando on Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:25 am

The amount of tax paid by residents of the Channel Islands is, presumably, a matter for them to agree among themselves.

The running sore is that British Companies (including nearly every one of our Banks and Building Societies) and "High nett worth individuals" also find the CI a convenient home for extraordinary sums of cash.

Why is that?.

OW.....I cannot speak for other offshore finance centres, but all I can say is that Jersey is very transparent with the UK and EU on its financial dealings and who has investments here....All are declared to governments and the inland revenue and our compliance procedures and AML laws are some of the strictest in the world. The reason we are successful is we have a dedicated financial services industry that offers products and services unavailable in other jurisdictions...we have the experience and expertise here, home grown or imported from other areas in the world. Admittedly we have a lower tax rate, but we pay for services like the dentist, doctors visits etc...means tested of course. We can afford it because we do not have a massive welfare budget...This is for many reasons which I wont bore you with unless you want me to.......We also refuse to join the EU, so we can dictate our own policies rather than be dictated to

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Post by blueturando on Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:28 am

(including nearly every one of our Banks and Building Societies)

PS....There isn't a single Building Society in Jersey

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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:20 am

bobby wrote:Blueturando wrote.

"Comrade Milibandski is a hypocrite!!!"

How can that be bluey. I heard with my own eyes, the git Herr Cameron retracted the statement that Edd Miliband is a hypocrite. Your not trying to tell me that your gloreous leader tells untruthes, are you.

Your quite right bobby but all Scam..er..on and his bunch of cohorts are a bunch of "Snooty Snotty blue nosed LIARS.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:28 am

PS .... There isn't a single Building Society in Jersey.

Then the following aren't very far away:

Abbey International - Jersey
Bristol & West International Ltd (Guernsey)
C & G Channel Islands Ltd
Northern Rock (Guernsey) Ltd
Scarborough Building Society Channel Islands (Guernsey)
Skipton Guernsey Ltd
Woolwich Guernsey Ltd

and, as I commented above, almost all British Banks, most of which have a Mortgage product.

Rule One: Dont try to kid a kidder.
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Post by blueturando on Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:52 pm

PS .... There isn't a single Building Society in Jersey.

Then the following aren't very far away:

Abbey International - Jersey
Bristol & West International Ltd (Guernsey)
C & G Channel Islands Ltd
Northern Rock (Guernsey) Ltd
Scarborough Building Society Channel Islands (Guernsey)
Skipton Guernsey Ltd
Woolwich Guernsey Ltd

and, as I commented above, almost all British Banks, most of which have a Mortgage product.

Rule One: Dont try to kid a kidder.

OW....Why would I BS you, what's the point????
Abbey International was a Private Bank and is now Santander Private Bank (Not a building society)...and the rest you have mentioned are in Guernsey, who are still part of the UK and can therefore have building societies (Jersey is not part of the UK) Comparing the financial regulations and political Institutions of the two are like me saying the UK and republic of Ireland are exactly the same

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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:59 pm

Cunning little Financiers.
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:52 pm

bobby wrote:Bluey my remark was made tongue in cheek. Yet your response I must admit is a bit arse in face.

May I direct you to a good hospital who specialise in Sence of Humour transplants, but get there quick before Herr Cameron has it closed.

The whole point of my post was to show how one can write a report but by using an ommision or two, a different story is told, you know, as Herr Cameron does it so often he actually ends up believing himself.

I think its going to take a death of some poor buggar and then there family to SUE the knickers of Scam..er..on and his Gov't, bobby they all believe what there actually say at the same time knowing they are lying through there back teeth.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:30 pm

Think of Parliament as a Shakespeare Play, and everything becomes transparently obvious.

They're all acting a part.
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Post by astra on Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:40 am

What's new Ivan??

The use of this stuff will save ALL that luvverly overtime the polis and the prison warders enjoyed during the miner's strike.

They must have reckoned it was a "Worthwhile expense". As OW has said, it seems Cameron is merely starting where Thatch (spit) and "Fancy a Currie?" left off
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