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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:02 pm

That's the key, isn't it, Redflag. Tories are totally shameless, as they have demonstrated almost daily for the past three and a half years.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:06 pm

Dan Fante wrote: It's not a Communist regime in reality though, is it? It's an undemocratic Capitalist one.
 
Firmly Communist in refusing to follow the Gorbachov path, I think.  There probably isn't a single word to encompass the modern Chinese philosophy, as Maoism has proven surprisingly flexible.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Dan Fante on Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:56 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
Dan Fante wrote: It's not a Communist regime in reality though, is it? It's an undemocratic Capitalist one.
 
Firmly Communist in refusing to follow the Gorbachov path, I think.
Laughing That's an unusual way to define "firmly Communist".
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:19 pm

oftenwrong wrote:That's the key, isn't it, Redflag.  Tories are totally shameless, as they have demonstrated almost daily for the past three and a half years.
 
 
Yes the Tories are a SHAMELESS OW, the reason for that is all Tories have BRASS NECKS and I think there in need of a present of TIN OF BRASSO & DUSTER to polish their BRASS NECKS what say you OW. :yeahthat:
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:10 pm

The poster below was produced in the 1930s in Nazi Germany as a propaganda tool victimising the disabled. It says: “60,000 Reich Marks is the lifetime cost of hereditary illnesses - folks, that's your money." In other words, it was used to turn people against the sick and disabled who were dependent on the state for help. Benefit scroungers, were they? Does it sound familiar?  Twisted Evil 

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:47 pm

How are Bankers to acquire their next Porsche if we keep supporting the homeless and jobless? Be reasonable.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:15 am

Censorship is a classic tool of fascists:-

Councils could be banned from using 'bedroom tax' phrase in move to veto contentious language

Eric Pickles could be given the power to put a blue pencil through any language with which he disagrees.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:34 am

Councils could be banned from using 'bedroom tax' phrase in move to veto contentious language

Ivan is it not a bit late for that he might be able to stop officials from calling it the bedroom tax but he can not stop the the people that are suffering from it  :yeahthat:
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:54 am

Censorship is also the classic reaction of those who fear the truth. In the case of Pickles, Duncan Smith and many other of the Tory gauleiters it is hardly surprising that they need to curtail as much comment as possible.

Of all the nasty Tory specimens we have seen over the years, the current crop must rank as some of the worst...
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Bellatori on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:10 am

Even the BBC uses the term 'Bedroom Tax' much to the annoyance of the Tories. I cannot remember which Tory MP had a rant on either Today or PM when the interviewer used the term and pointed out that this was what most people understood the legislation to be. It was quite embarrassing. I remember that the phrase 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much..." sprang to mind so I guess it was a woman MP.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:18 am

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" It's not a bedroom tax,. d'ya hear?! It's just a tax on ...er....bedrooms..."
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:19 am

Ivan wrote:Censorship is a classic tool of fascists:-

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The "Independent" link includes the following aide-memoire:  The Thatcher Government’s ill-fated scheme for  a flat-rate tax on householders to replace the rates  was officially called the “community charge”.  But it rapidly became universally known as the “poll tax” and Baroness Thatcher even inadvertently used the phrase in the Commons.

We need to find a euphemism for such phrases as, "The Right Honourable Gentleman" as quickly as possible
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:13 am

I hate it when temptation is put in my path...
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:06 pm

Please Phil "be tempted" unfortunately it take a far better wordsmith than wot I is.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:53 am

bobby wrote:Please Phil "be tempted" unfortunately it take a far better wordsmith than wot I is.


I agree Bobby pretty please PHIL be tempted  lol! 
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Post by Bellatori on Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:01 am

oftenwrong wrote:We need to find a euphemism for such phrases as, "The Right Honourable Gentleman" as quickly as possible

"The Right Ho'rable Gentleman" springs to mind  Smile

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:58 am

Gilbert & Sullivan, The Mikado 1885

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As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!

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He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:00 pm

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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:09 pm

" He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;"

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Post by Ivan on Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:43 am

The march of the neoliberals
 
Here is just a small extract from a long article written in September 2011 by the sociologist and cultural theorist Stuart Hall, who died earlier this month:-
 
Coalition policy often seems incompetent, with failures to think things through or join things up. But, from another angle, it is arguably the best prepared, most wide-ranging, radical and ambitious of the three regimes that, since the 1970s, have been maturing the neoliberal project. The Conservatives had for some time been devoting themselves to preparing for office – not in policy detail but in terms of how policy could be used in power to legislate into effect a new political settlement. They had convinced themselves that deep, fast cuts would have to be made to satisfy the bond markets and international assessors. But could the crisis be used, as the right-wing economist Milton Friedman had suggested, to "produce real change"?

The legislative avalanche begins negatively ("the mess the previous government left us") but ends positively, in embracing radical structural reform as the solution. Ideology is in the driving seat, though vigorously denied. The front-bench ideologues – Osborne, Lansley, Gove, Maude, Duncan Smith, Pickles, Hunt – are saturated in neoliberal ideas and determined to give them legislative effect. As One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest put it: "The crazies are in charge of the asylum." They are single-minded about the irreversible transformation of society, ruthless about the means, and in denial about the fallout. This crew long ago accepted Schumpeter's adage that there is no alternative to "creative destruction". They have given themselves, through legislative manoeuvring, an uninterrupted five years to accomplish this task.

 
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by boatlady on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:05 pm

Very far sighted of him - I think many, myself included, failed to notice for some time that there was in fact an underlying theme to the 'omnishambles' - and that far from being a stupid blunderer Cameron was in fact a very slick front man for a massive scam being perpetrated on the unsuspecting electorate (many of whom I fear still fail to see what's happening)
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:21 pm

Boatlady I hope by now the people of the UK are finding out about how DEVIOUS  Davy boy and his band of criminal robbers really are,  it is becoming to clear to them about our NHS and recently the people suffering from the floods are finding out they only time he will do anything is when his voters are effected. stirpot 
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:42 pm

I still prefer the cockup theory as an explanation for Coalition actions during the past four years (five if you count the pre-election manifestos that were immediately torn up). Cunning as a fox, but clever they ain't. There wasn't even a pretence of covering their tracks, and the bloody footprints will lead directly to Conservative Central Office in 2015 when people get to vote.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by boatlady on Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:17 pm

Well, OW, I hope you're right
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:23 pm

Your spot on OW, plus there will be plenty more of their cover ups that will come to light (thank God for snooping newspaper reporters) who will sniff out all of the Tory and it will be their undoing come May 2015.
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Post by Ivan on Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:10 pm

Take a look at the list on the left, and then ask yourself how many of those warning signs apply to Tory Britain in 2014:-
 
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:30 pm

In 1938, some of the right-wing newspapers currently carrying Tory propaganda were counselling peace with Hitler's Germany.

Plus ça change - plus c'est le meme chose
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Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:00 pm

Conservatives set to launch ‘incoherent’ attack on human rights

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Former attorney general Dominic Grieve got the sack because he opposed a forthcoming Tory attack on the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), which he described as “incoherent”. Coming in the wake of his much-voiced distaste for cuts to Legal Aid, this was the last straw for Cameron, who seems determined to destroy anything useful his party ever did.

The ECHR was one such thing; Churchill helped set it up. It is not part of the EU, but is instead connected to the Council of Europe. The Tories want to limit the court’s power over the UK, because they want Parliament to decide what constitutes a breach of human rights. That could lead to us being expelled from the Council of Europe.

The UK helped draft the European Convention on Human Rights. Under it, nation states’ primary duty is to “refrain from unlawful killing”, to “investigate suspicious deaths” and “prevent foreseeable loss of life”. The DWP has been allowing the deaths of disabled people since 2010. Withdrawing from the convention and scrapping the Human Rights Act would mean this government could sidestep any legal action to bring those responsible to justice.

Article 4 of the Convention prohibits forced labour – such as the government’s Mandatory Work Activity or Workfare schemes. Article 6 provides a right to a fair trial – which has been undermined with laws allowing ‘secret courts’. Article 8 provides a right to respect for one’s “private life, home and correspondence” – and the UK’s violation of this has been renewed with the Data Retention Act.

Clearly the Tories want to sideline the ECHR so they never have to answer for their crimes against British people.


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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:22 pm

One might almost think that the Tories were trashing the joint whilst getting ready to move out.
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Post by James Gibson on Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:06 pm

I sometimes fear that people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you...It doesn't walk in saying, "Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."
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Post by boatlady on Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:00 am

That is so true - Fascism always begins as the 'friend' to the common man, the respectable elements of society who feel overrun by elements that are 'different' and that threaten 'our way of life'.

That is why I think it is always important to avoid lines of thought that identify whole groups as 'other' - we need to appreciate our fellow humans as just that - human beings first, with individual characteristics, virtues and faults - not as 'the disabled', 'the poor', 'immigrants' or 'muslims', or whatever grouping is being demonised currently.

So long as we lump people together in our minds in this way, we are embracing a fantasy version of reality, and we are vulnerable to being taken in by the big fascist lie, in my opinion.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:21 pm

This rings a bell with me boatlady and brings to mind Farage arrival on the political scene, he is trying to make out his party is the party of the working man/women (I just saw a pig fly past my window)   Farage Manifesto of 2010 said he wanted the top rate of tax of 31p and our NHS fully privatized.
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Post by ghost whistler on Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:39 pm

Paul Nuttal is in favour of privatisation of the NHS.

He also waved his credit card around, in one memorable skit from Question Time, as if to suggest that's how sovereign debts operate.

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:54 pm

I don't think we need to feel threatened by the likes of UIKIP's Paul Nuttall MEP, who still refers to "New Labour" in his utterances.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:26 am

Is Nuttall that chap who sounds as if he is from Liverpool and acts like he is...........well, from Liverpool...?  Rolling Eyes 
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Post by bobby on Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:32 am

Wot you mean like " de don't do it like da down de  in da de London do de".

Please excuse any errors as I find it difficult to write with an accent " unlessa ofa coursa is Italiano  init.
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Almost perfect Scouse - for an Italian...        Very Happy
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Grazie Phillipo
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Post by Redflag on Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:43 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Is Nuttall that chap who sounds as if he is from Liverpool and acts like he is...........well, from Liverpool...?         Rolling Eyes 

I do not know if you remember when I went down to help out in Eastleigh, just round the corner from my hotel was a Weatherspoons Pub that also sold food from breakfast to dinner which I frequented for my breakfast and dinner and you could bet £ to a penny Nuttall & Farage were in there behaving like a couple of spivs from the 1930s but not eating but did plenty of drinking.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:25 am

Our expensive hereditary monarchy has only a small part to play in our unwritten constitution, but it used to include the power to end a parliament five years after it first met (if the PM of the day had not already made such a request), or to extend it during a war (as was the case in 1940). The Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 1911 removed that power from the monarchy. Now we have this story to send a shudder down the spines of those of us who have long thought that this government was taking us towards a fascist dictatorship:-

PM could face calls to postpone UK election if Scots vote for independence

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Cameron will face calls to take the unprecedented step in modern peacetime of postponing next year's UK general election by 12 months in the event of a vote for Scottish independence, to avoid the prospect of a Labour government that would depend on Scottish MPs.

Amid warnings of a ‘constitutional meltdown’ after a Yes vote, which would place severe personal political pressure on the Prime Minister, a growing number of Tory MPs are saying they will call for legislation to be introduced to postpone the general election. It would be the first time since 1940 that a general election would have been postponed.

One member of the government said: "You would see very quickly after the referendum calls for a delay in the election. You simply could not have an election that would produce a Labour government supported by Scottish MPs if the Tories had a majority in the rest of the UK. So you would say: OK Alex Salmond wants to negotiate the break up by March 2016. So we will have a general election on the new Britain in May 2016
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Post by boatlady on Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:35 am

Nooooooo!
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