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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:03 pm

According to the Tories OW they only have cut by 40%, so that leaves another 60% to be cut and I need not tell you who will take that hit. Anybody that wants a open honest fair gov't for all should vote for Ed Miliband & the Labour party because if they vote Ukip you will get a Tory/Ukip coalition gov't (SHUDDER) if people in Scotland vote SNP they will get another Indepence referendum & a Tory gov't in Westminister.

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:39 pm

From the Independent
Derek Laud: ‘You can’t open a cupboard in No 10 without an Old Etonian falling out’ (Getty)© Getty Laud: ‘You can’t open a cupboard in No 10 without an Old Etonian falling out’ (Getty)

A former Conservative party adviser and friend of David Cameron has launched a remarkable attack on the Conservative leader over his failure to defeat what he regards as the party’s racist attitude to immigration.

Jamaica-born Derek Laud accuses the party of using “dog-whistle” tactics to appeal to voters.

In a new book, The Problem with Immigrants, a celebration of the contribution of migrants to the UK over the centuries to be published later this month, Mr Laud berates the Conservative party for its 2013 “Go home or face arrest” posters, aimed at illegal immigrants, which emanated from the Home Office.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:16 pm

Do you not remember Derek Laud bobby he was also part of Mrs Thatchers gov't, he was also in the Big Brother house but did not win. It is a miracle to hear a Tory supporter tell the truth about the Tory party something the majority of us have known for ages.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Fri May 22, 2015 10:14 pm

Theresa May's plan to censor TV shows condemned by Tory cabinet colleague

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A plan by the home secretary to introduce counter-extremism powers to vet British broadcasters’ programmes before they are transmitted has been attacked in the bluntest terms as a threat to freedom of speech by one of her own cabinet colleagues.

Sajid Javid wrote to Cameron to say that, as culture secretary, he was unable to support Theresa May’s proposal to give Ofcom the new powers to take pre-emptive action against programmes that included “extremist content”, in a letter sent just before the start of the general election campaign.

Javid, who became business secretary after the election, said the plan would move Ofcom from a regulator “into the role of a censor”. It would involve “a fundamental shift in the way UK broadcasting is regulated”, moving away from the current framework of post-transmission regulation which takes account of freedom of expression, he said.

The leaked memo from the then culture secretary came in response to a request made by May on 6 March to ministers on the cabinet’s home affairs committee and the national security committee. She was seeking clearance for publication of her extremism strategy, which included the broadcasters’ censorship proposal. The Javid leak undermines claims that it was the Lib Dems alone who blocked May’s extremism strategy in the coalition
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Fri May 22, 2015 11:37 pm

I honestly believe they lost their velvet gloves about 5 years ago, now they are just leather gloved Fascists.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by sickchip on Sat May 23, 2015 8:10 am

The electorate appear to like velvet gloved fascists - perhaps Labour need to become velvet gloved fascists too?
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by boatlady on Sat May 23, 2015 9:27 am

It's a thought, I suppose, but if Labour become the same kind of party as the Tories, what would be the point of Labour?

If we have to have a fascist government, I prefer to have an opposition that presents an alternative view, not just more of the same
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sat May 23, 2015 12:27 pm

sickchip wrote: The electorate appear to like velvet gloved fascists - perhaps Labour need to become velvet gloved fascists too?


I think that would go against the grain for the Labour party sickchip, I know they have to appeal to a wide section of the voters to get a majoity gov't in the HOC. May I also say I do not think this Tory gov't will last the full 5 years more so when the Tory cuts start to hit there core voters also the Tory failings in the SCANDAL stakes.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Penderyn on Sat May 23, 2015 1:26 pm

sickchip wrote: The electorate appear to like velvet gloved fascists - perhaps Labour need to become velvet gloved fascists too?

The electorate have been conditioned to be dependent on right-wing propaganda vehicles, mostly owned by the very rich, or terrified by them. The rich don't need fascism under these circumstances - just a very large number of trained liars.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 23, 2015 7:44 pm

People generally vote with the thought, "What's in it for me?"

Once you understand that, all questions have been answered.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Penderyn on Sun May 24, 2015 1:04 pm

oftenwrong wrote:People generally vote with the thought, "What's in it for me?"

If only they did - the tories would be wiped out!
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sun May 24, 2015 7:03 pm

Your spot on Penderyn why would the Tories give us Plebs anything if they don't have too.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Thu May 28, 2015 11:00 pm

One thing that a standard textbook fascist can be relied upon to do is to eliminate any opposition. The likes of Hitler would murder and imprison all opponents, while a more ‘moderate’ fascist might just disqualify them from contesting elections. On the other hand, velvet glove fascists will, in a so-called democracy, be more subtle. They will gerrymander the constituency boundaries, allow expatriates to vote for life and undermine the funding arrangements of those who dare to oppose their sense of entitlement to rule for ever:-

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Fri May 29, 2015 9:50 am

Ivan that is exactly what the Tories did on the run up too the 2015 G.E, and now they are trying to stop the Unions from danating to the Labour party. So maybe if people started to BOYCOTT the banks and businesses that support the Tory party but it would have to be everybody in the UK so it would hit them in the pocket which they would not enjoy at all when there profits go down hill.
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Post by boatlady on Fri May 29, 2015 10:26 am

Boycott Divest and Sanctions for the Tories - brilliant idea Red - and not even illegal
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 29, 2015 12:06 pm

Excuse my cynicism, but "The Banks" failed to make profits for a long time after the credit-crunch in 2008, but the majority are still there, and still paying their market traders millions of pounds a year in salaries and bonus. "Businesses that support the Tory Party" describes a group which incidentally employs hundreds of thousands of working people. That itself may go a long way to explain the failure of the Labour Party to score the votes of such people in sufficient numbers.

The Labour movement now has time in which to examine past successes, notably but not exclusively in 1945 and 1997. A fruitful field to criticise in Opposition is Tory excess, failure to plan, and that bland assumption of a right to rule. They do tend to repeat their mistakes, and it's for Labour leaders to rub it in every time they do.







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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Penderyn on Fri May 29, 2015 12:29 pm

It would be terrible if the Unions - representing millions and millions of people - were to tell the Labour Party what to do. They should be like the tories and represent Mr Murdoch.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:00 pm

In George Orwell’s ‘1984’, the way a problem was solved was just to change its definition…..  afraid

David Cameron abolishes poverty, just like that

Extracts from an article by Polly Toynbee:-

“We can make British poverty history, and we will make British poverty history”, said Cameron in 2007 – and he’s done it, just like that. Wave a magic wand, he and Iain Duncan Smith are abolishing child poverty as we know it. Other things will be targeted instead – worklessness, family breakdown, addictions, debt and educational success. In doublespeak, the very meaning of the word poverty disappears when to be poor no longer means to lack money. To be poor will from now on mean to fail, to be poor apologies for human beings, people in error, in need of correction not cash.

The poor child is the one whose nose is pressed up against the window of what her classmates have – no holiday to talk about; no internet connection for homework; refusing invitations to parties because her family can’t afford a present; not going on school trips; tatty uniform that stands out from the rest; not affording a swim in the leisure centre, let alone a movie. Extensive reviews of the research show that poverty itself – lack of money – harms the life chances of children, into adult life, as much as a bad education.

Once Cameron pretended to get it. In 2006 he said: “I want this message to go out loud and clear: the Conservative Party recognises, will measure and will act on relative poverty. Poverty is relative – and those who pretend otherwise are wrong.” But now he too pretends otherwise. In the long history of political fakery and mendacity, Cameron is the most effortlessly shameless practitioner – “no ifs and no buts”.


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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:37 am

Once Cameron pretended to get it. In 2006 he said: “I want this message to go out loud and clear: the Conservative Party recognises, will measure and will act on relative poverty.

I fully believe Herr Cameron kept his word on this matter. He looked into all his relatives and couldn't find a poor one out of the lot of them, then feeling the need not to look any further he popped along to Iain Dumkopf Schmidt's office to sign off any more cuts to welfare in the pipeline.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:54 am

I do not think that SWINEHERD Schmidt will get away with it this time because what he will do on the 8th July will be the straw that broke the camels back bobby.
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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:15 pm

I do hope you are right Red, but I certainly will not be holding my breath.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:32 pm

"Shock and awe" was the term for a military strategy based on achieving rapid dominance over an adversary by the initial imposition of overwhelming force and firepower. The concept was formulated by the American strategic analysts Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade in a Pentagon briefing document of 1996, and came to wider prominence during the campaign in Iraq in 2003.

My bet is that Gideon's 8 July budget, (approved by the cuddly IDS),
will give the phrase a whole new meaning to Britain's poor.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:32 am

I was watching the HOL on the Parliament channel a Labour peer found the the Tories where trying to get through three bills that had not been debated in the HOC all to the benefit of the Tory party.     One was to make sure that the Tories stay in power the other one was to cut off the funds from the Unions to the Labour party the Labour peer I am talking about was Lord Wills if you want to go on to parliament channel and check it out.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:20 pm

In Italy in the 1920s, Mussolini brought forward a new electoral law, giving two-thirds of the seats in the parliament to the party which received the greatest number of votes over the country.

In Germany in the 1930s, Hitler became chancellor with just 37% of the votes. Communists were forbidden to take their seats in the Reichstag, which gave the Nazis an absolute majority. Shortly afterwards, an ‘enabling law’ was passed, transferring power from the Reichstag to the cabinet.

In another European country in the 2010s, a government which gained a majority of 12 with just 36.9% of the votes soon set about increasing its majority to 105 - by preventing non-English MPs from voting when it suits it. Aided by a gagging law, plans to make strikes almost impossible, boundary changes to tilt the system even more in their favour, and reducing the number of MPs (so that there are fewer backbenchers to hold them to account), the Tories no doubt intend to head a regime which will last for a thousand years.
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Post by boatlady on Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:05 pm

You have to hand it to them - they have been jolly sneaky and clever - no more Tim Nicebutdim.

I do sometimes wonder what we ordinary people have done to them to make them hate us so much
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:38 pm

According to BBC Radio News, they're rowing back from the idea of an administrative adjustment to Parliamentary procedures, and now plan to have a proper debate on English votes for English folks....

Watch that space, and count your fingers after shaking hands with a Tory.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:45 pm

"...count your fingers after shaking hands with a Tory."
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Post by Redflag on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:11 am

boatlady wrote:You have to hand it to them - they have been jolly sneaky and clever - no more Tim Nicebutdim.

I do sometimes wonder what we ordinary people have done to them to make them hate us so much

That is easy question to answer boatlady " WE DO NOT VOTE TORY" They want rid of Labour voters so that they can be in power forever as it used to be before the Labour party was created.
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Post by Redflag on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:13 am

bobby wrote:I do hope you are right Red, but I certainly will not be holding my breath.


Webobby what do you think now after the AUSTERITY ridden budget do you think the people of the UK will grow a backbone and do something about this Tory gov't ??
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Post by bobby on Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:30 pm

I really don't know Red, like you I thought they would have before this election, unfortunately they didn't. What the future now holds for the poor and infirm in the UK is surely in the hands of the Gods.
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Post by Penderyn on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:13 pm

bobby wrote:I really don't know Red, like you I thought they would have before this election, unfortunately they didn't.  What the future now holds for the poor and infirm in the UK is surely in the hands of the Gods.

The tories want to ban strikes supported by less than 50% of members.    Even in England they got about 25% of the possible vote.   There are no gods - only reformable mugs.
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Post by Penderyn on Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:29 pm

Penderyn wrote:
bobby wrote:I really don't know Red, like you I thought they would have before this election, unfortunately they didn't.  What the future now holds for the poor and infirm in the UK is surely in the hands of the Gods.

The tories want to ban strikes supported by less than 50% of members.    Even in England they got about 25% of the possible vote.   There are no gods - only reformable mugs.

I'm told it was in fact 35%.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:56 pm

Now that their erstwhile "partners" have been given the deep-six, the Tories are like kids in a sweetshop.

They want to devour everything they can see.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:01 pm

They will if the people of the UK do not grow a backbone it will happen OW, something else will happen is Scotland will leave the UK and let the Tories carry on because Scots do not vote Tory I suggest you watch the election for the Scottish Parliament in May 2016 you will see the Lib-Dems and Tory seats dwindling to next to nothing.
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Post by Ivan on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:00 am

Government sources told 'The Huffington Post' they may suspend the House of Lords, or flood the chamber with Tory peers, to ensure the cuts to tax credits, due to come into force next April, are passed.

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Post by boatlady on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:08 am

And yet --- yesterday when I mentioned the possibility of voting Labour to a colleague, his reply was that voting Labour will put us all back on the two day week due to the domination of the unions.

While people are still holding a grudge about something that may have happened before they were born it's really hard for them to see what's before their eyes
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:46 am

Not everyone has a convenient memory. Ted Heath was forced to introduce the 3-day week due to energy shortages caused by the 1974 Oil blockade. OPEC was to blame for that, not Trade Unions.

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Post by boatlady on Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:16 pm

and yet, trade unions are to blame, according to the popular understanding of history
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The chronology is to be found from parliamentary records of the time:

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Post by Redflag on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:37 am

I agree IVAN this thread has got a true heading, I do not know if you have heard but the Tory's are supposed to be setting up a UNION and no I am losing my mind so if they do our Labour MPs will be able to cast up to the Tories that they are in the pockets of the Union.
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