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Cameron's EU veto

Post by gator on Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:49 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15425139
 
To my way of thinking, explore the possibility of limited change generally means more of the same. And isn't it normal for human nature to criticize people who can't handle money as well as you can? Sarkozy is all a-twitter because he got criticized. Aw. Poor baby.
 
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:21 pm

Many people think that Greece has to be cast adrift from the Eurozone.

But no individual member wants to cast the first stone. Especially not France, as one of the founders.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by astra on Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:37 pm

I think the Greeks are getting off too lightly!

THEY KNEW they did not meet the terms of membership and had their books Caramellised, not only cooked to join up!
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Post by tlttf on Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:32 pm

Actually they knew and the FRENCH cooked the books on their behalf, nothing to do with them being owed 66% of the debt of course, naturally they now want their debt covered by the "uncommon market" also knownas the EU, which the French seem to believe is owned by them. Can't wait until Merkel tells them to piss off.

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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:40 pm

Greek entry into the EU was masterminded by the American Bank that arranged securitisation of Greek-government income for up to five years in advance.

That is to say, the same technique that provoked the credit-crunch.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by Curious Cdn on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:56 pm

So, Greece was a leveraged, sub-prime borrower?
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:29 pm

Where else would a Bank find its new business?
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by Charlatan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:20 pm

I think that the eurozone should cover all their debts first. If they were to instead of paying back bail outs, write them off in exchange for writing off others debts, to he same amounts, there would be no spiralling debts. It would be like paying them back and then it would not spiral out with mounting repayments each month.

Or they could include all banks into the 'federal scheme.' The countries under the current economic model don't need to base the amount of currency in their country to the tune of anything, so, they could just let the banks borrow as much as they approve they can.

If you observe the banks they always make their money grow on the whole, and the accounts of the state never do the same. For this reason they should stick all their money into normal banks to grow, and grow it will. Giving the bank that sort of buying power will make sure they grow easily. Then the people can borrow more money aswell, and new businesses, supplying new jobs may abound.

If the state was to look out their windows, they are rich in assets. If they were to account for all the money in the country, is it enough for all these assets? There needs to be enough money in the country to buy all those assets, or the people may be short changed. For this reason, the state should create enough money for all these things to be paid for and then stick that money into banks, or, open up a state bank supporting economic growth through creating new businesses.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:17 pm

.....the state should create enough money for all these things."

The State doesn't have any money, apart from the taxes paid by its citizens.
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Cameron's EU veto in December

Post by Fred Worms on Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:55 pm

Watched the Politics Show earlier.It appears the much trumpeted success of Cameron's use of the veto was a con.It seems that he has quietly agreed to allow The European Courts of Justice to be involved in the proposed Fiscal changes after all.Has he played a blinder or shot himself in the foot? If this is true(I can only state what was on the programme and confirmed by a Tory MP) he is a damned good actor.My thoughts were always that he could do nothing anyway but used the situation to appease the far right in his own Party.
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Post by bobby on Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:37 pm

Welcome Fred Worms.
Herr Cameron is a proven potential Oscar winner. He totally convinced his shameless followers of his belief in the NHS promising “no top down Reforms” He even went so far as to tell us how good the NHS was, especially when he needed its services for his own Son. Everything he told us in the build up to the 2010 General Election was a blatant bunch of Lies, yet he convinced the sheeple who followed him that he was sincere and honest, only since then we had some snow, some rain, a tsunami in Japan and the Sun shon last Summer, and not forgetting Dave’s Cast Iron Guarantee for electoral reform. All these where the reasons as to why he couldn’t keep his word. Sweet phuck all to do with the fact he is nothing other than an opportunist liar, His acting ability is merely a tool he uses to disguise his dishonesty.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:10 pm

"Acceptance of Reality" is the official Tory line on new Fiscal treaty within Eurozone.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by Fred Worms on Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:35 pm

oftenwrong wrote:"Acceptance of Reality" is the official Tory line on new Fiscal treaty within Eurozone.
Brilliant. have to admire Sarky too refusing to shake his hand at the time.Made it look oh so real.!
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Post by Stox 16 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:18 am

Fred Worms wrote:Watched the Politics Show earlier.It appears the much trumpeted success of Cameron's use of the veto was a con.It seems that he has quietly agreed to allow The European Courts of Justice to be involved in the proposed Fiscal changes after all.Has he played a blinder or shot himself in the foot? If this is true(I can only state what was on the programme and confirmed by a Tory MP) he is a damned good actor.My thoughts were always that he could do nothing anyway but used the situation to appease the far right in his own Party.

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you know I have seen the Tory party fight over Europe for some 30 years now. For me its not the idea of a business only Europe they dislike. its the fact they hate what they see as back door socialism and all social policy that comes out of Europe that they cannot control. if they could have a European elitist money making club for their small group of powerful friends within Europe and the UK... they would be over the moon. it all this social policy for the majority that cannot stand. much of what Cameron is doing is window dressing for his Tory party hard right wingers. no more no less
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by AwfulTruth on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:02 pm

Fred Worms wrote:Watched the Politics Show earlier.It appears the much trumpeted success of Cameron's use of the veto was a con.It seems that he has quietly agreed to allow The European Courts of Justice to be involved in the proposed Fiscal changes after all.Has he played a blinder or shot himself in the foot? If this is true(I can only state what was on the programme and confirmed by a Tory MP) he is a damned good actor.My thoughts were always that he could do nothing anyway but used the situation to appease the far right in his own Party.

David Cameron elephant is a disingenuous coward - a moral, taciturn turncoat who bullies his victims, casting ad hominem insults like confetti and follows the path of a quixotic amateur on a road to nowhere. In short, he lies, deceives and subverts the morals that others aspire to.

I loath the big-mouthed behemoth. Off with his head! geek (metaphorically speaking)

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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by astra on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:12 pm

Hell AT, Good Evening and Welcome! (David Frost impersonation!) Don't think about it, just say it how it is!! Smile


I cannot think of one question asked by MPs on Wednesday, that he answered with any deference!
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:35 pm

Old Army saying:

Bullsh1t baffles brains.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by witchfinder on Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:30 pm

The rumblings and mutterings continue on amongst the Tory right, it has come close to boiling over into a full scale rebellion, particularly around the time of the fiscal summit.

The Tory party, like the Labour party is a broad church, but the Labour party is more disciplined, and what makes it much harder for the xenophobes is the fact that they have to share government with the UK s most pro European political party.

I think that eventualy it will erupt into a fight ( bring it on )
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by AwfulTruth on Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:00 am


David Cameron is the worst PM since typhoid.

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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by bobby on Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:34 pm

AT. You spoilt an extreemly good posting, by adding, (metaphorically speaking)
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:46 pm

Never before in Parliamentary history, has the Juggler had two faces, but only one hand.
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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by AwfulTruth on Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:18 am

The great question right now is how long will it be until Cameron elephant is deposed by his own party. He is, for example, intellectually and morally incapable of answering a question let alone remembering any facts worth sharing. You can clearly see the older Tories cringing/angered/incredulous at DC's awful, lamentable anti-polemical performances in the commons. He is a shameful amateur pretending to be a political auteur yet failing miserably to garner any meaningful respect from anyone with grey matter inside their brain-pans.


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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:52 am

On the other hand, the Tory Old Guard are no doubt fairly relaxed about having such an obvious scapegoat for anything that goes wrong.
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Post by AwfulTruth on Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm

oftenwrong wrote:On the other hand, the Tory Old Guard are no doubt fairly relaxed about having such an obvious scapegoat for anything that goes wrong.

Salient, insightful observation that deserves a mention: I totally agree with you. I think Cameron's exit from power will be submerged in political excrement. When it hits the Tory fan it will be quite a show! What a Face

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Re: Cameron's EU veto

Post by James73 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:21 am

The Tories will never truly organise an In/Out referendum, they fear the voice of the people!

Cameron's "cast-iron promise" turned out to be made of melted iron, and his EU veto which was supposed to be forever turned out to be only for Christmas.

There's no credibility left in the Tories.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:57 am

There's no credibility left in the Tories.

Not that there was a lot to begin with ..........
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:20 am

oftenwrong wrote:There's no credibility left in the Tories.

Not that there was a lot to begin with ..........
 
A very fair summary of the Tories and their policies....They are just trying to relive the 1980s
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