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Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Ivan on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:37 pm

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Bertrand Russell once said that “the immense majority of intellectually eminent men disbelieve in Christian religion”, and research appears to support that remark. Michael Shermer, in ‘How We Believe: The Search For God In An Age Of Science’, describes a large survey of randomly chosen Americans that he and his colleague Frank Sulloway carried out. Among their many results was the discovery that religiosity is negatively correlated with education (more highly educated people are less likely to be religious). Paul Bell, writing in ‘Mensa Magazine’ in 2002 told us: “Of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one’s intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one’s intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold ‘beliefs’ of any kind.”

Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics and Political Science, suggests that more intelligent people are more likely to adopt evolutionarily novel preferences and values. He said: "Humans are evolutionarily designed to be paranoid, and they believe in God because they are paranoid. This innate bias toward paranoia served humans well when self-preservation and protection of their families and clans depended on extreme vigilance to all potential dangers. So, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to go against their natural evolutionary tendency to believe in God, and they become atheists.”

Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (NLSAH) supports Kanazawa's hypothesis. Young adults who identify themselves as 'not at all religious' have an average IQ of 103 during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as 'very religious' have an average IQ of 97 during adolescence.

Shermer says that religiosity is also negatively correlated with interest in science and strongly with political liberalism. And the NLSAH data suggests that young adults who subjectively identify themselves as 'very liberal' have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as 'very conservative' have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.

Does this mean that people with left-wing views are more intelligent than those on the right? I’ve long thought that those with the independence of mind to be unaffected by the constant brainwashing attempts of the right-wing media must have a critical faculty which those who succumb to Tory and Republican propaganda clearly lack. It also appears to be the conclusion of experts at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, who studied research comparing childhood intelligence with political views in adulthood in 15,000 people. They found that intelligence, rather than education, wealth or social status, decides whether people are narrow-minded or bigoted in later life. Their report has been published in a journal called ‘Psychological Science’ and states: “Those with lower cognitive abilities may gravitate towards socially conservative right-wing ideologies that maintain the status quo. That is because it provides a sense of order". The authors found a strong link between low intelligence both as a child and an adult, and right-wing politics.

Sources used, and for further details:-

Richard Dawkins, ‘The God Delusion’, Bantam Press, 2006, p.102-3

http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/48586-intelligent-people-more-likely-to-be-left-wing-atheists

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2012/02/04/labour-supporters-are-cleverer-than-tories-canadian-study-claims-115875-23734718/


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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:09 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Once again you miss the point entirely.

You claim that the scientists are the most intelligent, this is disputed on several grounds, because a person does not want to be engaged in science does not mean he/she is less intelligent nor if through being religious they do not take up other occupations regarded as having the most intelligent amongst them
does it mean they are less intelligent.

The whole matter rests on how you can calculate relative intelligence and there is no way without everyone has the same opportunities and persues them.

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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:49 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon, Once again you miss the point entirely. You claim that the scientists are the most intelligent,
I've missed nothing don't be stupid, and no I have never claimed "scientists are the most intelligent" nor has the research, you're hopelessly distorting the research claims again, is this dishonest misrepresentation deliberate, or are you really unable to read and understand English to such an extent?

Polyglide wrote:this is disputed on several grounds, because a person does not want to be engaged in science does not mean he/she is less intelligent
I never claimed otherwise, nor does the research, you simply can't read or understand it I'm afraid. Which is why i have repeatedly asked you to leave it alone, you're subjective denials and poor grasp of English makes this utterly pointless. It doesn't matter who chooses to be a scientists or whether intelligence quotient has limitations for detecting some types of intelligence, read the research man, it's all there, dear oh dear.

Polyglide wrote:nor if through being religious they do not take up other occupations regarded as having the most intelligent amongst them does it mean they are less intelligent.
Who's they? What relevance has this "factoid" you've plucked out of thin air to do with the decades of research, and multiple studies shown? You're making wild assertions, based on no evidence, whilst ignoring facts and evidence, and making the same incorrect claims that show you don't understand the research at all.

Polyglide wrote:The whole matter rests on how you can calculate relative intelligence and there is no way without everyone has the same opportunities and persues them.  
More gibberish, since many of the studies are in america and that country is one of the most religious in the world where atheists are openly discriminated against, does it strike you as likely that atheists will have more opportunities than theists in any sphere? Ah well I'll try yet again:

"Pew research shows:

In America 33% of scientists overall admitted belief in a personal deity, with 41% claiming to be atheists. The rest either didn't answer, didn't know, or believed in some form of higher power. Contrast that against the 83% of the general population who claim to believe in God. With atheism at just 4%. In other words scientists are ten times more likely to be atheistic than non-scientists in one of the most religious countries in the developed world, but the research doesn't stop there.

This disparity which has persisted for over 80 years of polling increases drastically when it examines scientists working at elite research universities. With 62% being atheistic and one only 23% believing in God. A degree of non-belief 15 times higher than the general public.

Sitting at the top tier of American science are the members of the National Academy of Sciences, where only the most accomplished scientists are elected as members. Here non-belief is 93% who claim to be atheists. This then is almost the exact opposite of the data for the general population."

"Most of the recent scientific studies have found a negative correlation between IQ and religiosity.[1][2] On the individual level, the education level is positively correlated with a belief in a god in African countries, and negatively correlated in Western countries.
Studies have shown a strong link between national average IQ and atheism in society. Research shows[3] of twelve countries with atheism over 40%, all except two are in a moderate average IQ range of 94 to 100, with one lower IQ than that range (Cuba) and one higher IQ than that range (Japan). Countries with an average IQ below 92 are overwhelmingly religious, with atheism under 10% (with the exception of Cuba), and often less than 2%. Two of the nine countries (22.2%) with a high average IQ above 100 are more than 25% atheist (Japan and South Korea). The highest IQ nation, Singapore, has an atheism rate of 12%, with a further 5% having no specific religious affiliation (but not self-identifying as atheist)."

Here's the full quote from the study you dishonestly paraphrased earlier:
"In a 2013 meta-analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, of 63 scientific studies about IQ and religiosity, a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity was found in 53, and a positive relation in the remaining ten. Controlling for other factors, they can only confidently show strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity among American Protestant"

and again....

"Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”"


and on and on it goes in study after study, and with different criteria for intelligence, and based on education the negative link between religiosity and intelligence and education is relentlessly evidenced decade after decade in study after study.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:42 am

Dr, Sheldon,
I realy am not interested in you quoting one thing after another I prefer to consider things for myself.

Take 100 children all born at the same time all exposed to exactly the same religious and other matters.

As they grow up, God having given them all free choice some will take to farming and experience the wonders of God's creations, [say 25%] other will take up occupations in industry that also involves nature and they will appreciate many of God,s creations [say 50%] others who want to explore things like the universe will take another sourse that involves very little to de with God's creations according to them [25%]

The latter, only because of their occupation will be considered more intelligenbt than the other 75% and be less religious because they are attempting to prove otherwise.

However, in actual intelligence the former two occupations may have people far more intelligent than the latter.

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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:55 am

So you prefer your own bias and dishonest misrepresentations to decades of research? Am I susposed to be impressed by this? The research is relentless and shows an unequivocal trend over decades using very large test groups from multiple demographics.  In almost every study the result showed that as intelligence and education within that group increased, belief in a deity decreased.  Your subjective opinion is meaningless, but all the more so when measured against such overwhelming objective evidence.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:16 am

Dr, Sheldon,
You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:16 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.      

I've not offered an opinion, I've offered vast bodies of research data, spanning decades, by reputable research companies covering vast test groups of broad demographics, and within multiple studies. The results are unequivocally showing the same trend in almost every single study, that in any group as intelligence and education increase, so belief in a deity decreases. You on the other hand have offered an opinion, nothing but opinion as it happens, and that opinion is not just subjective and unevidenced but entirely refuted by the research.

So basically since as you say I'm entitled to an opinion I will offer one, and it's my opinion that solid research and empirical evidence, spanning decades of research in multiple studies in several countries, and using large test groups and broad demographics is more reliable that Polyglide says so, so there.
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Post by polyglide on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:58 am

Dr, Sheldon,
I find that many people involved in research etc; tend to find the most complicated manner in which to express the most simple things.

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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:02 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                I find that many people involved in research etc; tend to find the most complicated manner in which to express the most simple things.  

Another pointless made up lie, why do you bother? Address the research or leave it alone, and do it honestly for once. I tire of pointing out the credentials of the researchers as you just ignore it anyway. Besides the research couldn't be simpler, or the results more unequivocal, the fact you find that complex is your fault, not theirs.

""Pew research shows:

In America 33% of scientists overall admitted belief in a personal deity, with 41% claiming to be atheists. The rest either didn't answer, didn't know, or believed in some form of higher power. Contrast that against the 83% of the general population who claim to believe in God. With atheism at just 4%. In other words scientists are ten times more likely to be atheistic than non-scientists in one of the most religious countries in the developed world, but the research doesn't stop there.

This disparity which has persisted for over 80 years of polling increases drastically when it examines scientists working at elite research universities. With 62% being atheistic and one only 23% believing in God. A degree of non-belief 15 times higher than the general public.

Sitting at the top tier of American science are the members of the National Academy of Sciences, where only the most accomplished scientists are elected as members. Here non-belief is 93% who claim to be atheists. This then is almost the exact opposite of the data for the general population."

"Most of the recent scientific studies have found a negative correlation between IQ and religiosity.[1][2] On the individual level, the education level is positively correlated with a belief in a god in African countries, and negatively correlated in Western countries.
Studies have shown a strong link between national average IQ and atheism in society. Research shows[3] of twelve countries with atheism over 40%, all except two are in a moderate average IQ range of 94 to 100, with one lower IQ than that range (Cuba) and one higher IQ than that range (Japan). Countries with an average IQ below 92 are overwhelmingly religious, with atheism under 10% (with the exception of Cuba), and often less than 2%. Two of the nine countries (22.2%) with a high average IQ above 100 are more than 25% atheist (Japan and South Korea). The highest IQ nation, Singapore, has an atheism rate of 12%, with a further 5% having no specific religious affiliation (but not self-identifying as atheist)."

Here's the full quote from the study you dishonestly paraphrased earlier:
"In a 2013 meta-analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, of 63 scientific studies about IQ and religiosity, a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity was found in 53, and a positive relation in the remaining ten. Controlling for other factors, they can only confidently show strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity among American Protestant"

and again....

"Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”"


and on and on it goes in study after study, and with different criteria for intelligence, and based on education the negative link between religiosity and intelligence and education is relentlessly evidenced decade after decade in study after study."
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:04 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
You may like to consider the fact that the children from what were and are called backward countries that have come to our shores are proving to be better than our own children in many aspects regarding intelligence and the vast majority are religious and more so than our own.

As I have continually attempted to teach you, opportunity is the criteria that dictates many things and not intelligence.

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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:55 pm

Utterly irrelevant. I really can't be bothered to go through why these straw man denials are worthless yet again, it's so very sad that this simple research is entirely lost on you.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:24 am

Dr, Sheldon,
It is not lost on me it is totally irrelevant,
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:25 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                It is not lost on me it is totally irrelevant,

The fact you can make such imbecilic comment as claiming all the research is "totally irrelevant" proves it is entirely lost on you. Just as your previous comments show you are unable to understand the research at any level, what it means, what it claims, what it doesn't claim, or therefore why your subjective and hypothetical exceptions and straw man arguments don't have any relevance.

"Pew research shows:

In America 33% of scientists overall admitted belief in a personal deity, with 41% claiming to be atheists. The rest either didn't answer, didn't know, or believed in some form of higher power. Contrast that against the 83% of the general population who claim to believe in God. With atheism at just 4%. In other words scientists are ten times more likely to be atheistic than non-scientists in one of the most religious countries in the developed world, but the research doesn't stop there.

This disparity which has persisted for over 80 years of polling increases drastically when it examines scientists working at elite research universities. With 62% being atheistic and one only 23% believing in God. A degree of non-belief 15 times higher than the general public.

Sitting at the top tier of American science are the members of the National Academy of Sciences, where only the most accomplished scientists are elected as members. Here non-belief is 93% who claim to be atheists. This then is almost the exact opposite of the data for the general population."

"Most of the recent scientific studies have found a negative correlation between IQ and religiosity.[1][2] On the individual level, the education level is positively correlated with a belief in a god in African countries, and negatively correlated in Western countries.
Studies have shown a strong link between national average IQ and atheism in society. Research shows[3] of twelve countries with atheism over 40%, all except two are in a moderate average IQ range of 94 to 100, with one lower IQ than that range (Cuba) and one higher IQ than that range (Japan). Countries with an average IQ below 92 are overwhelmingly religious, with atheism under 10% (with the exception of Cuba), and often less than 2%. Two of the nine countries (22.2%) with a high average IQ above 100 are more than 25% atheist (Japan and South Korea). The highest IQ nation, Singapore, has an atheism rate of 12%, with a further 5% having no specific religious affiliation (but not self-identifying as atheist)."

Here's the full quote from the study you dishonestly paraphrased earlier:
"In a 2013 meta-analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, of 63 scientific studies about IQ and religiosity, a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity was found in 53, and a positive relation in the remaining ten. Controlling for other factors, they can only confidently show strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity among American Protestant"

and again....

"Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”"


and on and on it goes in study after study, and with different criteria for intelligence, and based on education the negative link between religiosity and intelligence and education is relentlessly evidenced decade after decade in study after study."
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:01 am

Dr, Sheldon,
I have looked into Stanley Matthews ( left winger for Blackpool) background and found he was just of average intelligence and a Christian friend used to do his homework for him.

Perhaps that helps to answer the question.


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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:32 pm

The question isn't answered,  no. Evidence offered of test groups in the thousands involving multiple studies in several countries spanning decades of research shows in almost every single study that belief in a deity decreases as intelligence and education increases. How does offering a single person compare to that? You simply don't understand what's been explained again and again.  No one has claimed all atheists are more intelligent than theists.  Or that there are no intelligent theists.  

I can't explain it in any simpler terms for you unfortunately. I'd suggest you leave it alone.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:42 am

Don't pull any punches, Herbert - tell us what you really think about proles who never went to University.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:04 pm

A lack of education doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of intelligence.
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Post by marcolucco on Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:19 pm


"conservative beliefs are found most frequently among the uninformed, the poorly educated and the less intelligent"

translation

poorly educated/ unintelligent people stick to what they know and don't attempt to take degrees in astrophysics. Astonishing!

Do we mean Extreme Conservatives or those who are extremely conservative? People who are extremely anything are going to register high or low on one test or another. And how did our "political scientist" define "liberal"?

This sort of quasi-science leads to contentious stuff like the Bell curve.

If people have thought themselves into a position where they describe themselves as "atheist", then it is hardly surprising that, ipso facto, they demonstrate intelligence. People who sit in the same spot all their lives are less likely to be thinkers.

We can say that some religionists are more intelligent than some atheists; some atheists are more intelligent than some religionists. It is easy to compare a horse with a bullfrog here.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:01 pm

marcolucco,
Your last comment is exactly what I have been impling all along.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:04 pm

polyglide wrote:marcolucco,
               Your last comment is exactly what I have been impling all along.

Impling? There is a massive body of research that shows a negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence and education, and much of it has been linked in this thread. marcollucco is right that "some religionists are more intelligent than some atheists; some atheists are more intelligent than some religionists." but then the research doesn't show otherwise, it does show that as intelligence and education increase belief in a deity decrease, and this has been evidenced in multiple studies, in several countries, using very large test groups from varying demographics and the trend has been evidenced consistently over decades of research.
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Post by marcolucco on Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:14 pm


               "Your last comment is exactly what I have been implying all along."

I think we're interested in truth, polyglide, and all too often we obscure the issue with false comparisons or useless statistics - that's what I was getting at. You are right to point out that other religions don't concern you; why should you argue in defence of the barbarities of Islam?
Other religions are brought in, of course, because on the side that I argue from, the Abrahamic religions present the same case.

It is tough to go against what you have been taught from an early age. Catullus cheekily says it is hard to cast aside a long love-affair. Quo vadis? is a big question - where do you go from God? With him your breakfast is made, your path is prepared and an evening meal is waiting for you. It is a stormy night we walk into when we choose to be fools and say in our hearts - "There is no God."
I have great admiration for Muslim apostates who battle not just with their consciences and their families but must suffer threats to their lives. Man's inhumanity to man is best seen when he wears a religious mask. Where does intelligence come into all this? I think it is a sign of high intelligence to collect what we have been taught and reassess it, then possibly discard it. It is not a comfortable road to take but it seems a truthful one - to me at least. But I never close doors completely! Smile

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:42 pm

I was wondering when apostasy would enter the discussion. Thanks. Wink
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Post by marcolucco on Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:46 pm

oftenwrong wrote:I was wondering when apostasy would enter the discussion.  Thanks.

No, no oftenwrong -you're wrong again. Don't thank us. There's no apothecary here. Poor soul wanders around with his billboard looking for drugs. Harmless, though.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by polyglide on Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:08 pm

marcolucco,
Statistics can be manipulated beyond belief and regarding intelligence more so.

It would help in some cases if those undertaking the problem in hand were themselves intelligent.

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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:52 pm

I expect that means something to "the intelligent", polyglide, but I'm afraid it's sailed right over my head. Sorry.
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Re: Are atheists and left-wingers more intelligent?

Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:25 pm

polyglide wrote:marcolucco,
                Statistics can be manipulated beyond belief and regarding intelligence more so. It would help in some cases if those undertaking the problem in hand were themselves intelligent.

It would help if you an ounce of integrity, or any grasp at all of what the linked research showed. Unfortunately your posts have indicated beyond a doubt that you haven't, and you don't, but since I asked repeatedly and you never answered I'll give you another chance, Which of the researchers are you claiming has manipulated and falsified it's results, and where is your evidence? Bear in mind we;re talking about multiple studies conducted by different researchers, over decades, in different countries, and using large test groups with varying demographics, as that would be some claim to evidence, as it reads like paranoid delusion to me.
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Post by polyglide on Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 am

oftenwrong,
If you look at many of the statistics and look at the people who carry them out many have nothing to do with the subject in question and others have an axe to grind, in the first place the people are not realy bothered and in the second they will lean towards their own opinion.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:41 am

Thank you, polyglide. I guess that sort of thing is likely to occur in discussions upon imponderable abstract topics.

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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:45 pm

polyglide wrote:oftenwrong,
               If you look at many of the statistics and look at the people who carry them out many have nothing to do with the subject in question and others have an axe to grind, in the first place the people are not realy bothered and in the second they will lean towards their own opinion.

A bold claim, but I notice no evidence? Bearing in mind as I said that "we're talking about multiple studies conducted by different researchers, over decades, in different countries, and using large test groups with varying demographics. So that would be some claim to evidence, of course you haven't actually offered any at all have you?" I believe I pointed this out in my previous post, and in a few other posts, I think given that you're happy to repeat the claim but are ignoring my invitation to offer a single shred of evidence we have to draw our own conclusions.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
If you are an example of the intelligent then heaven help us.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:48 pm

To one and all,
I trust you have a very good Christmas holiday and consider the reason we have one and also I wish you a very good and Happy New Year .

regards.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:49 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                If you are an example of the intelligent then heaven help us.

Well it's clearly hard to argue against sagacity as erudite as that. Is anyone really surprised you've ignored my post entirely and insulted me instead, then offered a fairly hypocritical salutation.
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Post by polyglide on Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:49 am

Dr, Sheldon,
It is not hypocritcal to have sympathy for those afflicted in any way and I make no exception in your case.

You cannot understand that an opinion does not have to have any examples but then you do not understand many things.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:13 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                It is not hypocritcal to have sympathy for those afflicted in any way and I make no exception in your case. You cannot understand that an opinion does not have to have any examples but then you do not understand many things.

Two more insults. What no sickening show of seasonal salutations to round it off? I won't lie to you, I'm completely unmoved either way. Let's try a little something from the Hitch that seems apropos.

"Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you."
― Christopher Hitchens
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Post by polyglide on Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:14 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
I have more compassion in my little finger than you have in your whole body.

The fact is I do not suffer fools gladly.

I call a spade a spade and am happy to do so.

Hitchens's quotes are just ones own thoughts and no doubt shared by many others but just common sense and I see nothing of relevance in them when considering your total lack of understanding.

However, you still have by best wishes despite what you think, it may be lost on you that one can disagree and reply in kind, I offered you the chance to be reasonable and effective but to no avail perhaps you should make a New Years resolution to be more receptive to genuine critical comment.


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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:17 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon,
                I have more compassion in my little finger than you have in your whole body.
Unless they happen to be gay, or an atheist, or ever disagree with your superstitious bilge of course.

Polyglide wrote:The fact is I do not suffer fools gladly.
Then you have my deepest sympathies as your entire life must be truly insufferable.

Polyglide wrote:
I call a spade a spade and am happy to do so.

You're an obnoxious homophobic bigot. There is quite a difference, but you clearly are incapable of seeing it.

Polyglide wrote:Hitchens's quotes are just ones own thoughts and no doubt shared by many others but just common sense and I see nothing of relevance in them when considering your total lack of understanding.
The quote wasn't meant for you, as I never for a moment thought you'd grasp it's significance. Since I used the quote I'm not sure why you think it has any relevance to you laughably thinking I don't understand your guff.

polyglide wrote:I offered you the chance to be reasonable
Oh really?
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Post by polyglide on Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:25 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
If you are an example of the intelligent then heaven help us.

You are not just a deeply unpleasant liar, you're delusional as well. I think you know what you can do with your hypocrisy and your seasons greetings, I don't care for faux displays of cordiality form homophobic bigots.

               
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Post by polyglide on Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:33 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Never heard of form homophobic

As I have attempted to educate you regarding homophobias I will try once more, to be homophobic you have to dislike both homosexuality and those who participate and also hate same, there is a big difference between explaining what homosexuality is, as accepted by the vast majority of the world population and in any way making a jugement based on any of the above.

I disagree with homosexuality because the Bible says it is wrong, just read it, I have not in any way made any judgement the Bible has and at no time have I expressed anything that could remotely be classed as homophobic.

I have a feeling you may have a phobia yourself that makes it impossible for you to see reason.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:50 pm

polyglide wrote:to be homophobic you have to dislike both homosexuality and those who participate and also hate same,
Homophobic is defined in the dictionary, Lecturing others with your own version is pointless, as I have posted the Oxford English dictionary, do you seriously think I'll take your opinion over the Oxford English dictionary? Especially after all the vile homophobic posts you've written on here, and lets face it, what is by any standards quite obviously a very remedial grasp of English.

Polyglide wrote:there is a big difference between explaining what homosexuality is,  as accepted by the vast majority of the world population and in any way making a jugement based on any of the above.
You don't know what the "vast majority of the world's population think, it's an absurd, risible claim, why can't you see how ridiculous a claim that is? Did you poll these people, or knock every door on the planet, is that what you're claiming, or perhaps you think you have a telepathic link? The judgements (it has a d in it) you have made, litter these threads, claiming you've not judged them is at least as ridiculous a claim as claiming to know what the majority of the world's population think. The English speaking world's definition of words is accurately and meticulously reflected in the English dictionary, and the best most comprehensive dictionary in the English speaking world is the Oxford English dictionary, which I and others have quoted repeatedly. In short you're talking complete nonsense, and using the kind of absurd hyperbole a child would think lent gravitas to it's claims, whereas in fact it's just embarrassing.

One more time as you clearly don't own or have access to it, here is the Oxford English dictionary's definition.
Homophobia
Noun
Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

You dislike of them is littering this forum, you have continually insulted them using the vilest pejorative. You are clearly prejudiced against them as you have posted they should not be allowed to marry, and given your support to the Christian B&B owners who refused a gay couple a room they had booked, as just two examples.

Polyglide wrote: I disagree with homosexuality, because the Bible says it is wrong, just read it,
That's a judgement, right there, and it shows prejudice against gay people, dear oh dear. I don't care what the bible says, it's archaic, amoral, and bigoted homophobia is of no interest to me whatsoever, unlike you I don't judge people based on who they are, but on how they behave and treat others. I am happy for gay men and women to have exactly the same rights as everyone else, and don't pretend to like them to their faces whilst posting the most insulting judgements about them on here as you have continually done.

Polyglide wrote: I have not in any way made  any judgement the Bible has and at no time have I expressed anything that could remotely be classed as homophobic.
I thought you had free will? Now after making numerous bigoted homophobic remarks and judgements you are trying to blame your bible, that's absurd nonsense. You're a grown man, at least take responsibility for your actions. This is one of the things I despise about religion is it lets week willed people believe they have an excuse to behave in the most appalling and prejudiced and bigoted fashion, then try and excuse their behaviour as the bible, or the koran or the voices in their head say it's ok. I'm not buying that, you and you alone are responsible for the homophobic judgements you've made on here.

Polyglide wrote:I have a feeling you may have a phobia yourself that makes it impossible for you to see reason.      
That's because you are so removed from reality you think it's acceptable to make vile bigoted homophobic judgements and remarks, to redefine and ignore the dictionary, to continually lie that you are using the dictionary even when it's quoted to you and linked and shows you are wrong. if you think that's reasonable then you're clearly touched, and a deeply unpleasant person, and I am happy to stand up to such bigotry, in fact I consider it the duty of any decent person to challenge prejudice and bigotry.
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Post by polyglide on Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:28 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
After a full stop a CAPITAL LETTER.
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Post by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD on Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:30 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr, Sheldon, After a full stop a CAPITAL LETTER.

Yes, but not after a comma you clown. Rolling Eyes The difference is mine was a typo on a touch screen phone, whereas you are clearly illiterate. Now if you've finished embarrassing yourself with your remedial grasp of English perhaps you can address the post content?
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Post by polyglide on Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:03 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
You have no excuse worth considering after your continual pointing out of my own errors that are due to the unfamiliarity of the computer and you claim to be an expert.
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