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Post by Talwar_Punjabi on Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:26 am

You might have heard of the Biscuit Policy; it goes like this:

Three men around a table (a multi-millionnaire, a working man and an unemployed man), there is a plate with a dozen biscuits on it.

The millionaire takes eleven biscuits and says to the working man "be careful, that unemployed man is after your biscuit"

Isn't the "Biscuit Policy" the same as the latest benefits policy of this Government?, ie we let billions go in tax to the likes of Phillip Green ( pig ) and Boots etc but we hammer and demonize the guy who has just lost his job. Then the Government turns one set of workers against another.

I don’t know, you might not agree. I, however, would be interested in your views.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:25 am

Talwar_Punjabi wrote:You might have heard of the Biscuit Policy; it goes like this:

Three men around a table (a multi-millionnaire, a working man and an unemployed man), there is a plate with a dozen biscuits on it.

The millionaire takes eleven biscuits and says to the working man "be careful, that unemployed man is after your biscuit"

Isn't the "Biscuit Policy" the same as the latest benefits policy of this Government?, ie we let billions go in tax to the likes of Phillip Green ( pig ) and Boots etc but we hammer and demonize the guy who has just lost his job. Then the Government turns one set of workers against another.

I don’t know, you might not agree. I, however, would be interested in your views.
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Hello Talwar Punjabi
Well an interesting policy...Its my own view that this Government does have a hidden agenda when it comes to tax. to me they have set out to turn different groups of workers against each other for economic reasons...let face it..while we attack each other at the bottom of the pile we have a government who has run off to Europe to defend the banking sector who earn up to £700 per hour as an investment banker in the city...while the rest of us put up with paying off a national debt we never made in the first place...think that sums up this Government quite well...what do you think?
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Post by bobby on Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:10 am

Stox Wrote Well an interesting policy...Its my own view that this Government does have a hidden agenda when it comes to tax. to me they have set out to turn different groups of workers against each other for economic reasons

A Very Good Day to you Stox. The evidence for what you say is in blueturando's post on the Cruel Tory welfare reform thread. This Government is the most divisive Government I have had the displeasure of witnessing.

Is it any wonder the Working Public are against any welfare benefits, when they are fed from the very News Paper " the Daily Mail" Bluey quotes from ( as are all his quotes it seems), it’s the benefits scroungers that are causing all our ills, and Herr Cameron is guilty of bugger all.

Herr Cameron is Guilty of taking this Country down the road of fascism, they want to form the Cameron Youth, They have closed loads of libraries, Just like Hitler did, they are pitting one section of society against the other, Hitler picked on the Jews whereas Herr Cameron has found an even easier target, they have given the police the power to shoot protesters and have embarked on the continuation of a Thatcher programme of social cleansing, and of course people such as bluey are all for it and in fact praise the bastard Iain Dumkopff Schmidt, for shitting on his own people.

My Dad who like many fought in the 2nd world war, and fought against Nazis and Fascists, I wonder how he would now feel if he where still alive to witness what has become of his Country. Even the bastard Iain Dumkopff Schmidt’s father, a decorated fighter pilot in the war would probably be against what his Son is doing to the Country he so valiantly defended
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Post by Redflag on Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:36 pm

Talwar_Punjabi wrote:You might have heard of the Biscuit Policy; it goes like this:

Three men around a table (a multi-millionnaire, a working man and an unemployed man), there is a plate with a dozen biscuits on it.

The millionaire takes eleven biscuits and says to the working man "be careful, that unemployed man is after your biscuit"

Isn't the "Biscuit Policy" the same as the latest benefits policy of this Government?, ie we let billions go in tax to the likes of Phillip Green ( pig ) and Boots etc but we hammer and demonize the guy who has just lost his job. Then the Government turns one set of workers against another.

I don’t know, you might not agree. I, however, would be interested in your views.
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Hello Talwar Punjabi welcome to the forum, I whole heartily agree with your Biscuit Policy that is the policy that this Tory Gov't promotes to the hilt.

I have already said something similar in regard to demonizing the guy that has been made unemployed by this Gov't policies and the low paid and told he can expect no pay increase until god knows when, I have seen the Tory spin machine trying to drive a wedge between the low paid and the recently made unemployed while the bankers still get very good wages and even bigger bonuses, what I can not understand why the British public have not woken up to this maybe the privatization of the NHS will wake them up to what this Tory Gov't is really up to.
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Post by blueturando on Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:30 pm

Just one question...well two really

Who earnt the buscuits and did they put some back on the plate as taxes?

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Post by Redflag on Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:54 am

blueturando wrote:Just one question...well two really

Who earnt the buscuits and did they put some back on the plate as taxes?

As per usual it would not have been the Multi Millionaire paying the taxes either the unemployed man or the low paid who have to foot that Bill.
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Post by blueturando on Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:07 pm

Red....Are you telling me multi millionaires do not pay taxes? Or is that something else you lot just make up?


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Post by Redflag on Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:27 pm

blueturando wrote:Red....Are you telling me multi millionaires do not pay taxes? Or is that something else you lot just make up?


No I am not what I am saying is they will not paying THE CORRECT AMOUNT because there accountants will have squirreled it into an off shore account or to where the treasury can not get there hands on it.

Just take a look at recent stories that some people have set up companies to get there wages paid into that company so the treasury does not take the normal way of P.A.Y.E and of course thus saving them money off huge salaries while the normal working man/women pay what they owe the Chancellor.
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Post by blueturando on Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:55 pm

As per usual it would not have been the Multi Millionaire paying the taxes either the unemployed man or the low paid who have to foot that Bill

Wrong Red....It is what you said. You prove my point about you lot exagerating almost everything you write here

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Post by astra on Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:35 pm

Bloo!

When I amexpeced to pay up 30% and more in tax, on £12K per annum, - pension and benefit, I cannot see why the gentry, and the high and mighty do not do exactly the same!

one rule for one one rule for another

Who said "We are ALL in this together?"
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Post by blueturando on Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:53 pm

Astra...I totally agree everyone should pay their fair share...no excusses!!!

But! I would just like an honest comment from one or two on here......not exagerated comments all the time.

All I did was ask a perfectly simple question to a very simplistic view on how taxes work in the original post

Who earnt the buscuits and did they put some back on the plate as taxes?.

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Post by astra on Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:04 pm

OK Surely the original poster would have to answer that one blue.


We could spend hours on permutations of should, cannot, maybe and ok if.


And if this goes by the accepted parlance, the millionaire does not know or has forgotten what taxes even are!
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Post by bobby on Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:27 pm

And if this goes by the accepted parlance, the millionaire does not know or has forgotten what taxes even are!

Or know on what shelf the biscuit'sare stacked on.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:51 pm

blueturando wrote:
As per usual it would not have been the Multi Millionaire paying the taxes either the unemployed man or the low paid who have to foot that Bill

Wrong Red....It is what you said. You prove my point about you lot exagerating almost everything you write here

Sorry blue it is you that is wrong you live in jersey so do not get the UK Daily papers if you did you would have seen that story in the REPUTABLE Daily papers about people setting up companies so there wages where paid into that business so the tax man does not get the correct amount of tax, and the people concerned where working for this Tory Gov't if you still do not believe this feel free to ask any on this forum or use your P.C to google last weeks daily news papers
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:22 pm

Anyone who elects to be self-employed enjoys a tax advantage not available to wage-slaves, whose tax liability is deducted from their wages before they ever see it.
Company Directors and others who work for themselves, account for tax in the year following that in which it is earned. So HMRC is lending them that money to use in the business, from April through to the end of January next year. If only the Banks were so helpful.
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Post by astra on Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:36 pm

So HMRC is lending them that money to use in the business


Which makes evasion of paying all the more henious and avoidance all the harder for the like of me to swallow.
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Post by blueturando on Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:59 pm

Sorry blue it is you that is wrong you live in jersey so do not get the UK Daily papers if you did you would have seen that story in the REPUTABLE Daily papers about people setting up companies so there wages where paid into that business so the tax man does not get the correct amount of tax, and the people concerned where working for this Tory Gov't if you still do not believe this feel free to ask any on this forum or use your P.C to google last weeks daily news papers.

Sorry Red, we get the same daily papers as you do and no other except the local evening newspaper...But I agree on your point and this loop hole needs to be closed. I would imagine there a small number of people using this loophole, but they must be stopped...all tax avoidance should be stopped including Ken Livingstone who is also usuing this loophole to avoid paying his fair share of taxes....very unsocialist

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Post by Redflag on Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:44 am

blueturando wrote:
Sorry blue it is you that is wrong you live in jersey so do not get the UK Daily papers if you did you would have seen that story in the REPUTABLE Daily papers about people setting up companies so there wages where paid into that business so the tax man does not get the correct amount of tax, and the people concerned where working for this Tory Gov't if you still do not believe this feel free to ask any on this forum or use your P.C to google last weeks daily news papers.

Sorry Red, we get the same daily papers as you do and no other except the local evening newspaper...But I agree on your point and this loop hole needs to be closed. I would imagine there a small number of people using this loophole, but they must be stopped...all tax avoidance should be stopped including Ken Livingstone who is also usuing this loophole to avoid paying his fair share of taxes....very unsocialist

Thank you blue there is quite a few loop holes in the tax laws that need to be closed, according to my information there is around 250 that work for the Gov't that are using this loop hole but I suppose there will be others using the huge loop holes in the tax laws, Ken Livingstone and what about Lord Ashcroft and all the others that avoid paying the correct amount of tax it seems to be the ones with huge amounts of money that avoid paying there correct amount while the normal working person has to pay there correct amount whether they like it or not because it is taken at source.

Do you have any proof of Ken Livingstone not paying the correct amount of tax I suppose you know that he has his own business in London and just like any other business man is ALLOWED certain amount of tax relief on his business rates, did you the the Mayor of London Boris Johnstone also has a job of writing a column for one of the Dailies getting paid around £250,000 per year on top of his salary of £144,000 per year for the job of Mayor I hope he pays his write amount of tax?
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Post by blueturando on Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:49 pm

Do you have any proof of Ken Livingstone not paying the correct amount of tax I suppose you know that he has his own business in London and just like any other business man is ALLOWED certain amount of tax relief on his business rates, did you the the Mayor of London Boris Johnstone also has a job of writing a column for one of the Dailies getting paid around £250,000 per year on top of his salary of £144,000 per year for the job of Mayor I hope he pays his write amount of tax?.

Red....I am not excusing any of them..Ken, Boris, Ashcroft...and whoever else that uses the system to avoid paying their fair share..The laws need to tightened to stop this happening over and over again. The problem I have is that I cannot see any of the main partys addressing this issue when they and their friends benefit from it directly.....It's the usual one rule for us and another for them

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Post by Redflag on Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:24 pm

blueturando wrote:
Do you have any proof of Ken Livingstone not paying the correct amount of tax I suppose you know that he has his own business in London and just like any other business man is ALLOWED certain amount of tax relief on his business rates, did you the the Mayor of London Boris Johnstone also has a job of writing a column for one of the Dailies getting paid around £250,000 per year on top of his salary of £144,000 per year for the job of Mayor I hope he pays his write amount of tax?.

Red....I am not excusing any of them..Ken, Boris, Ashcroft...and whoever else that uses the system to avoid paying their fair share..The laws need to tightened to stop this happening over and over again. The problem I have is that I cannot see any of the main partys addressing this issue when they and their friends benefit from it directly.....It's the usual one rule for us and another for them

Hi blue your right the tax laws do need well and truly tightened up so nobody but nobody gets away with not paying there correct amount of tax, I will agree it has been that way for far too long right across ALL parties and its about time they all knuckled down and fixed it, I also agree one law for them and another for us.

Thank you Blue.
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Post by bobby on Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:49 pm

Red, I think we esspecialy those/he of the right are loosing sight of is the fact that prior to the Banking crisis, Mr and Mrs average weren’t too bothered about a few greedy people evading their taxes, as we had an economy in growth, till the Banking crisis, and 10 years unprecedented period of growth (under Labour) and unemployment was falling, Labour also gave us 0.5% interest rate (which the Tory‘s seem to think was their doing). But what we are now getting is Herr Cameron standing on its soapbox telling us how he will remedy the problem, when many of his front benchers and personal friends and associates of the PM are in fact a very large part of the problem.
Why isn’t this poxy government trying to get the 52 billion in owed taxation back, a sum that would do massive good for the UK. The answer must be, that it will hurt too many of them personally.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:15 pm

bobby wrote:Red, I think we esspecialy those/he of the right are loosing sight of is the fact that prior to the Banking crisis, Mr and Mrs average weren’t too bothered about a few greedy people evading their taxes, as we had an economy in growth, till the Banking crisis, and 10 years unprecedented period of growth (under Labour) and unemployment was falling, Labour also gave us 0.5% interest rate (which the Tory‘s seem to think was their doing). But what we are now getting is Herr Cameron standing on its soapbox telling us how he will remedy the problem, when many of his front benchers and personal friends and associates of the PM are in fact a very large part of the problem.
Why isn’t this poxy government trying to get the 52 billion in owed taxation back, a sum that would do massive good for the UK. The answer must be, that it will hurt too many of them personally.

Hi bobby I agree the right have LOST sight of what Labour did right in regard too the Economy and the growth of this country, When Gordon Brown had to step in and make sure that this country did not go to the wall due to the Banking crisis, But to listen to the right Labour got nothing right and they keep trying to brain wash the people of the UK into believing that they are the ones that will get us moving forgetting that is was them that stopped the UK from growing and its still not growing, meanwhile allow there kind to benefit from our taxes which will only come out when we remove them from power and I hope that will be not in 2015 but earlier before we do not have a UK left there privatization of everything in site is rather worrying.

They will never even attempt to get that 52 Billion back most of them are Tory Donors to party funds, at the moment what there actually trying to do has not filtered through to the general public but later this year it will have then and only then will you see the WRATH of the people and there LIES will fall on DEAF ears and a HELLVA lot of anger from the people of the UK, I would suggest to light the touch paper and stand back.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:19 pm

"They will never even attempt to get that 52 Billion back ..."

All the more reason to seek a return to Labour government ASAP. Tell all your friends to get off their backsides and VOTE next time there is an opportunity to to so.

Apathy let the Tories in last time.
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Post by blueturando on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:28 pm

All the more reason to seek a return to Labour government ASAP

I will vote for Labour if you have a bet with me for £1000 that Labour would not recover the 52billion if they get into power

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Post by Mel on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:11 pm

blue wrote "I will vote for Labour if you have a bet with me for £1000 that Labour would not recover the 52billion if they get into power"

I recon the only way you would ever vote Labour would be if they grease your palm with silver. Smile

Labour would have to recover that £52billion and more to go some small way to address the damage left by this shower of monkeys.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:22 pm

Is not understanding.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:47 pm

oftenwrong wrote:"They will never even attempt to get that 52 Billion back ..."

All the more reason to seek a return to Labour government ASAP. Tell all your friends to get off their backsides and VOTE next time there is an opportunity to to so.

Apathy let the Tories in last time.

Could not agree more OW it was apathy that got me off me off my butt on May 5th 2010 Tory Gov't May 11th 2010 I was a Labour party member because I knew what was coming,

and when the next GE comes around I will be on the streets making sure that people are going to the polling station, but I think by then OW the people will be running to the polling

stations to get rid of this incompetent Tories.
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:10 am

bobby wrote:Stox Wrote Well an interesting policy...Its my own view that this Government does have a hidden agenda when it comes to tax. to me they have set out to turn different groups of workers against each other for economic reasons

A Very Good Day to you Stox. The evidence for what you say is in blueturando's post on the Cruel Tory welfare reform thread. This Government is the most divisive Government I have had the displeasure of witnessing.

Is it any wonder the Working Public are against any welfare benefits, when they are fed from the very News Paper " the Daily Mail" Bluey quotes from ( as are all his quotes it seems), it’s the benefits scroungers that are causing all our ills, and Herr Cameron is guilty of bugger all.

Herr Cameron is Guilty of taking this Country down the road of fascism, they want to form the Cameron Youth, They have closed loads of libraries, Just like Hitler did, they are pitting one section of society against the other, Hitler picked on the Jews whereas Herr Cameron has found an even easier target, they have given the police the power to shoot protesters and have embarked on the continuation of a Thatcher programme of social cleansing, and of course people such as bluey are all for it and in fact praise the bastard Iain Dumkopff Schmidt, for shitting on his own people.

My Dad who like many fought in the 2nd world war, and fought against Nazis and Fascists, I wonder how he would now feel if he where still alive to witness what has become of his Country. Even the bastard Iain Dumkopff Schmidt’s father, a decorated fighter pilot in the war would probably be against what his Son is doing to the Country he so valiantly defended

Good day Bob
how can i not agree with what you have posted. This Herr Cameron is now busy taking away what little work disabled people have...how disgusting is that Bobby?


At the very time tax revenues are declining and a debt crisis is ravaging the global economy and the UK, our Tory lead politicians have chosen to go on an unprecedented spending splurge. To fund it, the Government borrowed a monumental £170.8 billion last year. If all goes well, we're set to borrow another £167.9 billion this year. but still needs to cut the little work disabled have. after setting record borrowing and debt they still feel its right to protect investment bankers on £500 to £700 pounds per hour while cutting a group of disabled people Bob. how could anyone with any real sense of community or social morality defend such action? I am sure a Tory could but then they only do this from the safety of the House of Commons. gutless or what Bob?

This kind of deficit is far greater than during the recessions of the 80s and early 90s and even higher than when Britain went cap in hand to the IMF in 1976
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:31 am

bobby wrote:Red, I think we esspecialy those/he of the right are loosing sight of is the fact that prior to the Banking crisis, Mr and Mrs average weren’t too bothered about a few greedy people evading their taxes, as we had an economy in growth, till the Banking crisis, and 10 years unprecedented period of growth (under Labour) and unemployment was falling, Labour also gave us 0.5% interest rate (which the Tory‘s seem to think was their doing). But what we are now getting is Herr Cameron standing on its soapbox telling us how he will remedy the problem, when many of his front benchers and personal friends and associates of the PM are in fact a very large part of the problem.
Why isn’t this poxy government trying to get the 52 billion in owed taxation back, a sum that would do massive good for the UK. The answer must be, that it will hurt too many of them personally.

Hi Bob. lets just kill some of these Tory MYth's




MYTH: The UK has a big public sector compared to other countries

Public spending in the UK is lower as a proportion of the economy than in the likes of France, Italy, Austria and Belgium, as well as the Scandinavian countries (OECD World Factbook 2010).

And spending on core areas such as health and education remains comparable or low in relation to other OECD (broadly speaking, 'rich') countries.

For example, the UK spent just 8.4 per cent of its GDP on health in 2007, roughly half that spent in the United States (once the large private sector is taken into account) and well behind Germany, France and most other west European nations.

MYTH: Spending on the public sector is 'crowding out' private sector growth

It is argued that public spending comes at the expense of overall growth, because potential investment is being re-directed into taxation to fund an 'unproductive' public sector. But in fact investment in public infrastructure and services is essential to private sector productivity, and so is no less critical to future growth than private sector investment.

Furthermore, the UK is not a highly taxed economy. The OECD's comparative figures on taxation as a proportion of overall economic output show the UK way down the list, only just above the average.

It is sometimes suggested that taxes hit the private sector in such a way as to discourage job growth. Again, though, the data shows the UK to have very low levels of taxation per job: far lower than the OECD average.

The second way in which the public sector might be said to be crowding out private sector growth is by taking workers it needs, but this would only really be the case where the labour market was operating close to full employment.

With the unemployment rate at about 8 per cent, this is clearly not the case. and in many areas of public provision - from child protection, to education and training, to care for the elderly - there is a pressing need for more, not fewer, public service workers.

Finally, some argue that public investment 'crowds out' private investment, because government borrowing pushes up interest rates and inflation. But there is no evidence that this is currently a problem - real interest rates are low, and the economy is still operating well below its potential output, which means there is lots of room for non-inflationary public sector expansion.

In fact, in current circumstances, public spending is more likely to stimulate private sector investment by maintaining levels of demand and preventing a deeper collapse of economic activity.



On education, the UK again spends less per pupil than most comparable OECD countries.

The UK is not profligate in public spending and does not have an oversized public sector compared to similar countries.

MYTH: The financial crisis was caused by a lack of money in circulation

This one is true to some extent, but it requires careful explanation. The system of finance capitalism pursued in the UK and US since the 1970s has continuously recycled economic surpluses away from the poor toward the rich. In both countries, the share of economic output taken up by wages (as opposed to profit) has fallen, and inequality has risen. The very affluent have got wealthier, at the expense of the rest of the population. In 2007/08 the richest tenth of the population had more than 30 per cent of total income ('Income Inequalities', poverty.org.uk).

In the post-war period, part of the role of the state was to redistribute economic surpluses to the wider population so that they could keep spending on goods and services. This was seen as so important precisely because large inequalities had been identified as one cause of the 1929 stock market crash and the subsequent depression.

For a while, the problem that rising inequality presented for growth was overcome by the use of credit and the super-exploitation of workers in the developing world, which allowed consumers to keep buying cheap products. This is one of the factors that fed the debt crisis.

So, yes, there is not enough money in circulation - but this is precisely because it has been captured by the super-rich.

Thanks to my friend Dr Alex Nunn of Leeds Metropolitan University
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Redflag on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:28 pm

Mel wrote:blue wrote "I will vote for Labour if you have a bet with me for £1000 that Labour would not recover the 52billion if they get into power"

I recon the only way you would ever vote Labour would be if they grease your palm with silver. Smile

Labour would have to recover that £52billion and more to go some small way to address the damage left by this shower of monkeys.

Mel you are very astute in reading the Tory party voters they could get jobs in the palm reading trade, "CROSS MY PALM WITH GOLD AND I WILL TELL YOU YOUR FUTURE".
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:15 am

astra wrote:Bloo!

When I amexpeced to pay up 30% and more in tax, on £12K per annum, - pension and benefit, I cannot see why the gentry, and the high and mighty do not do exactly the same!

one rule for one one rule for another

Who said "We are ALL in this together?"

Hi astra
Well i am one of the people who pay the 50p Tax rate...yet its a price I am OK with myself...if the Tories was to cut this to 40p...I would save the grand total of £4,000 a year... to me this is a quite small sum...I would be more happy to stick with the 50p and give the £4,000 to either the NHS or disabled people...but that is me... As for this silly Tory view that if I was given this money I would feel more likely to rush out and take on new staff is utter rot...nor have i am wish to leave the UK for such a silly sum of money...hell your could not even get good health cover for that overseas...
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:20 am

bobby wrote:Red, I think we esspecialy those/he of the right are loosing sight of is the fact that prior to the Banking crisis, Mr and Mrs average weren’t too bothered about a few greedy people evading their taxes, as we had an economy in growth, till the Banking crisis, and 10 years unprecedented period of growth (under Labour) and unemployment was falling, Labour also gave us 0.5% interest rate (which the Tory‘s seem to think was their doing). But what we are now getting is Herr Cameron standing on its soapbox telling us how he will remedy the problem, when many of his front benchers and personal friends and associates of the PM are in fact a very large part of the problem.
Why isn’t this poxy government trying to get the 52 billion in owed taxation back, a sum that would do massive good for the UK. The answer must be, that it will hurt too many of them personally.

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a good post again my friend...I cannot agree more with you..
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Redflag on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:10 am

Stox 16 wrote:
astra wrote:Bloo!

When I amexpeced to pay up 30% and more in tax, on £12K per annum, - pension and benefit, I cannot see why the gentry, and the high and mighty do not do exactly the same!

one rule for one one rule for another

Who said "We are ALL in this together?"

Hi astra
Well i am one of the people who pay the 50p Tax rate...yet its a price I am OK with myself...if the Tories was to cut this to 40p...I would save the grand total of £4,000 a year... to me this is a quite small sum...I would be more happy to stick with the 50p and give the £4,000 to either the NHS or disabled people...but that is me... As for this silly Tory view that if I was given this money I would feel more likely to rush out and take on new staff is utter rot...nor have i am wish to leave the UK for such a silly sum of money...hell your could not even get good health cover for that overseas...

The reason for that Stox is your a good business man, why would any business take on staff if they do not need them thats what the young unemployed are for with all the Work experience programmes so the business man would pocket the £4,000 and get workers from said programme.
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Stox 16 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:56 pm

Redflag wrote:
Stox 16 wrote:
astra wrote:Bloo!

When I amexpeced to pay up 30% and more in tax, on £12K per annum, - pension and benefit, I cannot see why the gentry, and the high and mighty do not do exactly the same!

one rule for one one rule for another

Who said "We are ALL in this together?"

Hi astra
Well i am one of the people who pay the 50p Tax rate...yet its a price I am OK with myself...if the Tories was to cut this to 40p...I would save the grand total of £4,000 a year... to me this is a quite small sum...I would be more happy to stick with the 50p and give the £4,000 to either the NHS or disabled people...but that is me... As for this silly Tory view that if I was given this money I would feel more likely to rush out and take on new staff is utter rot...nor have i am wish to leave the UK for such a silly sum of money...hell your could not even get good health cover for that overseas...

The reason for that Stox is your a good business man, why would any business take on staff if they do not need them thats what the young unemployed are for with all the Work experience programmes so the business man would pocket the £4,000 and get workers from said programme.

Thank Red...means a lot you posting this reply to me...I try very hard to look after all my staff...I call it joining the family...We have 29 staff and there are all partners within the business..its how I like it...we would love to take on some more..but not at this time...when we do..we will always look to take on say a young woman..as they find it hard to brake into our line of work...I would also look at a wheel chair disabled person..we have talked of it in the past..as its office work...anyway..best get back to the Topic in hand Red..but thanks once more
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Re: The Biscuit Policy

Post by Redflag on Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Stox 16 wrote:
Redflag wrote:
Stox 16 wrote:
astra wrote:Bloo!

When I amexpeced to pay up 30% and more in tax, on £12K per annum, - pension and benefit, I cannot see why the gentry, and the high and mighty do not do exactly the same!

one rule for one one rule for another

Who said "We are ALL in this together?"

Hi astra
Well i am one of the people who pay the 50p Tax rate...yet its a price I am OK with myself...if the Tories was to cut this to 40p...I would save the grand total of £4,000 a year... to me this is a quite small sum...I would be more happy to stick with the 50p and give the £4,000 to either the NHS or disabled people...but that is me... As for this silly Tory view that if I was given this money I would feel more likely to rush out and take on new staff is utter rot...nor have i am wish to leave the UK for such a silly sum of money...hell your could not even get good health cover for that overseas...

Stox its a few more business men like yourself that the UK needs because you and I and Ed Miliband know there is Predator business men out there.

The reason for that Stox is your a good business man, why would any business take on staff if they do not need them thats what the young unemployed are for with all the Work experience programmes so the business man would pocket the £4,000 and get workers from said programme.

Thank Red...means a lot you posting this reply to me...I try very hard to look after all my staff...I call it joining the family...We have 29 staff and there are all partners within the business..its how I like it...we would love to take on some more..but not at this time...when we do..we will always look to take on say a young woman..as they find it hard to brake into our line of work...I would also look at a wheel chair disabled person..we have talked of it in the past..as its office work...anyway..best get back to the Topic in hand Red..but thanks once more
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