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Lionel Messi.....the best ever??

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Post by blueturando on Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:51 pm

Having watched the master class Lionel Messi put on last night for Barca...scoring 5 goals. I have to ask, is he the best player of all time?
In my opinion he is...he makes the game look so easy and no one can get near him. My dream now is to see him wearing the black and white stripes and running out at St.James' Park.....(Dream on blueturando)

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Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:35 pm

blueturando wrote:Having watched the master class Lionel Messi put on last night for Barca...scoring 5 goals. I have to ask, is he the best player of all time?
In my opinion he is...he makes the game look so easy and no one can get near him. My dream now is to see him wearing the black and white stripes and running out at St.James' Park.....(Dream on blueturando)

Greatest player for a long time, possibly ever. But how do you compare. The conditions, pitches, clothing, boots and balls (excuse my language) are all to the modern day players advantage. I remember Stanley Matthews drifting past players in his heavy toecapped, heavily leather studded and dubbined football boots, with a heavy stodgy leather laced football. What might he and others have achieved in todays conditions. Undersoil drainage and heating. Lightweight boots and ball. All the training and expertise that goes into todays footballer.

We'll never know.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:59 pm

I guess we wont Trev, but I can honestly say I haven't seen anyone better in 45 years on this Earth......apart from Malcolm McDonald at Newcastle maybe Very Happy

I think I will get my thinking cap on and post my alltime line up and see if any others agree

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Post by astra on Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:11 pm

My dream now is to see him wearing the black and white stripes and running out at St.James' Park.....(Dream on blueturando)



Sports Direct Arena now Bloo! Sad


how it can be thought that the name change can paper over the cracks, I just do not know.

Offishaeell (Official) line is, that as Newcastle is to be utilised in the olympics or summfin' the name change is an advertising ploy!


loads of unrest here about it, but it will blow over just as the fracas over the name change in Sunderland to Stadium of S er S er GOTIT!! Light
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Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:33 pm

Quote Astra

loads of unrest here about it, but it will blow over just as the fracas over the name change in Sunderland to Stadium of S er S er GOTIT!! Light

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Such a lot of fuss about a player who only has a transfer fee of €25 million.

And what's he got to do with the Falklands question anyway?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:58 pm

Mr Messi can thank his lucky stars that my soccer days are now gone or it would be no contest... Embarassed

As trevor suggests it is very difficult to judge across eras just who is eg the 'greatest midfielder/forward of all time'. Messi is an exceptionally skilful player who may have been just as good even if he had been faced with the likes of Norman Hunter or Ron Harris et al ad infinitum trying to amputate his legs at the knee.

But what of outfield defenders and goalkeepers? Clearly, Peter Shilton was the best 'between the sticks' , imho, and many would say that Franco Baresi was the best tactical defender...
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Post by astra on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:01 pm

Gimme Joe Jordan (Jaws) anytime!! cheers



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Trevor,

A word often said in jest! :bom: (or sumfin' like that!)

I had to look up the name of the old ground, er em Roker Park!! Funny how it just does not stick in my memory, and I used to drive the fan's busses there!! Basketball bounce
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Post by trevorw2539 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Quote by Astra.
A word often said in jest! :bom: (or sumfin' like that!)

I had to look up the name of the old ground, er em Roker Park!! Funny how it just does not stick in my memory, and I used to drive the fan's busses there!! Basketball bounce




Sad how much money talks, even in sport.

Been talking to the 'boss' upstairs.He's thinking of taking over my local football club. Then the ground will be called 'Paradise Park'. Shocked He'll keep in the backgound of course as a 'silent partner'. Smile
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Post by blueturando on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:20 am

Noooo Astra....It will always be St James'....I don't care what Ashley says and nor do any Toon fans. Even the Tv pundits still call it St.James'
Sunderland has always been the the stadium of sh*te lol

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Post by trevorw2539 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:58 am

Re: Lionel Messi.....the best ever??
by Phil Hornby on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:58 pm




Mr Messi can thank his lucky stars that my soccer days are now gone or it would be no contest... Embarassed

As trevor suggests it is very difficult to judge across eras just who is eg the 'greatest midfielder/forward of all time'. Messi is an exceptionally skilful player who may have been just as good even if he had been faced with the likes of Norman Hunter or Ron Harris et al ad infinitum trying to amputate his legs at the knee.

I object to you talking about Ron Harris like that. Wasn't he the one who said 'sorry' before he went into the tackle, and 'I warned you' after the tackle.Laughing

Whilst some of the oldtime tackling was a bit 'fierce' I prefer it to the 'kissing and cuddling, ducking and diving' of today. Mind you the old leather studs were a bit of a 'killer'.Sad
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Post by KnarkyBadger on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:05 am

Messi?? Best ever?? No comrades! That honour belongs to the one and only Matt Le Tissier
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Post by blueturando on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:52 am

He was certainly under rated Knarky....I would put money on it that if Le Tiss was born in Brazil he would have been much more highly respected for his talents...He was too skillfull for the England team and the way we play

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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:14 am

Alas, Mr Le Tissier was also too lazy! Even the Brazilians work exceptionally hard to win back the ball - on those rare occasions when they actually lose it!

'Southampton's finest' did too much training in MacDonalds to be mentioned in the same breath as Messi. Tiss can be added to the list of those like Tony Currie, Alan Hudson and Frank Worthington who could make a ball talk but which when it did, said : " All very good - but more effort for the team laddie!"... Very Happy
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Post by Mel on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:22 pm

Best was the best. Smile
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