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Post by Redflag on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:44 am

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Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands."  No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector.   After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier...      IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?


His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing.  After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals?  Or is this an attempt to create:                  JOBS FOR THE BOYS

This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years.   There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories!   !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK.     In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other  99% of the UK public?   Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way? 

                                                                           WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?


When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess.   Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets  are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies. 

                                       PREPARING  FUTURE  GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS
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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:29 pm

Quote Witchfinder.

There is an unwritten rule under this coalition government that states private companies can do what they like and charge what they want, but public institutions cannot.


Precisement! Copyright by Hercule Poirot;)

Our local Tory council has just turned down Government money for re-introducing weekly bin collections because 'there's no demand for it'. I'm okay with fortnightly collections, being on my own. Next door are a couple with 4 children. They often use my bin - by permission - for excess waste and recycling. The bins, particularly recycling, along our street are often full to overflowing. And so in the local town.

This money could have funded a few more jobs for 'budding refuse' collectors.

Maybe even introduce an NVQ in 'Trash Operations for Retrieval, Inspection, Erasure of Scraps.

To be known in future as T.O.R.I.E.S Ooops.

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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:47 pm

Old Songs for New Days

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" Come into the garden, Maude. And watch those Jerry Cans stored in the garage explode..."
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Post by Redflag on Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:49 pm

Ivan wrote:
what do you make of the cash for access to Scam..er..on .
Hello Redflag. Whilst it appears that the Tories have now privatised the air around Cameron, requiring the payment of cash just to be able to breathe in the same room as him, I would suggest you might like to discuss that topic here:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t158-is-this-another-tory-scandal-brewing

Hi Ivan what gets me is they have ZILCH when it comes to shame they think by sitting there smuggly giggling as if its nothing and I am afraid it just makes me see Red, perhaps the whole Tory party need a 1x24 box of tins of BRASSO along with dusters so can all polish there BRASS NECKS. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by Redflag on Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:52 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Old Songs for New Days

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" Come into the garden, Maude. And watch those Jerry Cans stored in the garage explode..."

Its a pity that Maude does not store Jerry Cans in the Tory party headquarters now there is a sight I would pay tickets for good post PH :bom: :bom: :bom:
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Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:07 pm

Red Flag.

Can I help at all. Give me a call.

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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:14 pm

As Pickles Plans a Petrol Bomb Attack at Labour HQ...

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" Yes , Eric - an elephant's arse and your face..."
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Post by Mel on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:38 pm

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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by Redflag on Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:13 am

trevorw2539 wrote:Red Flag.

Can I help at all. Give me a call.

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You would be the very person I would call trevor2539 and I bet very capable I bet.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:45 pm

Ivanhoe wrote:
blueturando wrote:Mel....I have to say it how I see it.

I back to coalition when they had to make some difficult decisions on public spending and reforming the welfare system as some things needed to change to help get us out of the mess we are in...But!!!! Osbournes budget was sneaky and though I don't subscribe to Tory ideology, I though this budget smacked of it.

I can sort of understand reducing the 50p rate to try and ecourage more foreign investment and to try and stop tax avoidance, but I cannot understand this raid on pensions...especially at this time. I am disappointed!!!!

I also think the only reason the tax threshold was raised to 9k...odd, was to sweaten the way for the reduction of the 50p rate...no ther reason!

Bluey, pardon me for interjecting, but what Cameron is doing, has nothing to do with cutting any Deficit. Cameron is using cutting the deficit as an excuse to remove the role of the State in favour of privatisation and Charities, and that's it in a nutshell.

Sorry, but anybody who says any different are just kidding themselves.

That is part of the Tory Ideology everything in the private sector they where even against the NHS when it was in its conception. elephant
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:15 am

There were indeed some very glum faces at Conservative HQ when the voters chose a Socialist government in the postwar General Election. If Churchill had not been ejected by an ungrateful returning Army in favour of Attlee, Bevan et al, we would not now have NHS, welfare benefits or Pensions.

The coalition are determined to put that right. Better late than never!
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Post by Redflag on Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:36 am

oftenwrong wrote:There were indeed some very glum faces at Conservative HQ when the voters chose a Socialist government in the postwar General Election. If Churchill had not been ejected by an ungrateful returning Army in favour of Attlee, Bevan et al, we would not now have NHS, welfare benefits or Pensions.

The coalition are determined to put that right. Better late than never!


As long as they do not mind being strung up from Westminster Bridge for there deeds of TREASON.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:32 pm

Ivan wrote:
what do you make of the cash for access to Scam..er..on .
Hello Redflag. Whilst it appears that the Tories have now privatised the air around Cameron, requiring the payment of cash just to be able to breathe in the same room as him, I would suggest you might like to discuss that topic here:-
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t158-is-this-another-tory-scandal-brewing

To hell with that Ivan, I am lucky Im glad that I live in Scotland which is 395 miles away from Scam..er..on I suppose the privatized air round Scam..er..on is to keep the scandals away from the Tory party, has anybody told them its not working.
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Post by Mel on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:33 am

The Government is allowing train firms to raise regulated fares by 3% more than RPI inflation from January, based on July's inflation figure. Rail unions have warned that some fares could jump by 11% from the new year, while most rush-hour travel, season tickets and off-peak fares will rise by well above the rate of inflation.

Up to 20,000 jobs in the rail industry are at risk under cost-cutting proposals, which will hit station staff, guards, catering and ticket offices, unions said.

Union officials at the protests will step up demands for the railways to be returned to public ownership, saying that privatisation has led to some of the highest fares in Europe despite a massive increase in taxpayer subsidies to the industry.

Of course the railways should be returned to public ownership, service for the people by the people and not as it is with ALL privatised companies/utilities we pay through the nose for nothing more than profits.

Isn't it absolutely obvious that where privatisaion is concerned, it's massive wages for those at the top along with huge dividens for the do bugger all well off investors?
As well as these non curbed by government fare increases, there is the further profit making exercise of reducing staff, thereby reducing services and adding to profits and the dole queues. Talk about Tories and the rich taking the pi55, this is as bad as someone peeing through one's letter box and then asking how far it travelled along the passage.

I am truly incensed. Mad (not a rail user incidentally)
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:17 pm

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Post by Redflag on Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:27 pm

Mel wrote:The Government is allowing train firms to raise regulated fares by 3% more than RPI inflation from January, based on July's inflation figure. Rail unions have warned that some fares could jump by 11% from the new year, while most rush-hour travel, season tickets and off-peak fares will rise by well above the rate of inflation.

Up to 20,000 jobs in the rail industry are at risk under cost-cutting proposals, which will hit station staff, guards, catering and ticket offices, unions said.

Union officials at the protests will step up demands for the railways to be returned to public ownership, saying that privatisation has led to some of the highest fares in Europe despite a massive increase in taxpayer subsidies to the industry.

Of course the railways should be returned to public ownership, service for the people by the people and not as it is with ALL privatised companies/utilities we pay through the nose for nothing more than profits.

Isn't it absolutely obvious that where privatisaion is concerned, it's massive wages for those at the top along with huge dividens for the do bugger all well off investors?
As well as these non curbed by government fare increases, there is the further profit making exercise of reducing staff, thereby reducing services and adding to profits and the dole queues. Talk about Tories and the rich taking the pi55, this is as bad as someone peeing through one's letter box and then asking how far it travelled along the passage.

I am truly incensed. Mad (not a rail user incidentally)

Good post Mel it just proves what the Tories are all about, I think its about time the entire UK stood up to these Backstuds and told them exactly where to go (I will leave that up too fellow boarders own imagination). Its not just rail users that are facing increases in travel to get to work at the same time the petrol prices will rise for the motorists, I truly can not see this Incompetent gov't getting to 2015 GE.
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Post by astradt1 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:48 pm

When do the train companies announce their profits?
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Post by Mel on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:26 pm

Thank's OW for the link. Very interesting.

No doubt Blair would have liked to have re-nationalised the railways, but as it is always with the Tories, especially Thatcher and now Cameron, the changes they make are generally irriversible and they make sure of that.

I suppose at a massive cost to the taxpayer it could have been achieved, however, there were more pressing and costly repairs and improvements required following all that implemented Tory ideology of 18 long and disasterous years of their tenure.
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Post by Mel on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:31 pm

"When do the train companies announce their profits?"

As little as possible I should think astradt, they may feel a trifle embar-arsed at the size. There again, perhaps not as anything goes where profit is paramount, as Tories believe and condone at every corner.
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Post by blueturando on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:54 pm

The Government is allowing train firms to raise regulated fares by 3% more than RPI inflation from January, based on July's inflation figure. Rail unions have warned that some fares could jump by 11% from the new year, while most rush-hour travel, season tickets and off-peak fares will rise by well above the rate of inflation.

Mel......you forgot to mention that rail fares have gone up above the inflation rate every year since 2004...so that's 6 years under Labour and 2 under the coalition. I'm sure you wouldn't have over looked this on purpose, but I thought I should bring it to your attention anyway Smile

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Post by Mel on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:33 am

Thanks for that blue. The point is that we are in a double dip recession and a bad time to start hiking up fares with the exuse that railways require upgrading.
Well we know all about the huge profits they are making and getting tax paying subsidies to boot and major cuts in their staffing, for what? making more profit whilst reducing services again and as usual? Don't forget any new coaches are to be made in Germany.
Anyhow, it was your bloody lot who decimated the railways (Dr Beeching) and then sold the rest off in fragmentation so that it would be nigh impossible to re-nationalise.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:54 pm

Gove Plans the Olympic Legacy

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Post by Mel on Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:23 pm

Yes Phil---- soon it will be pay fees for you child to play games at school.

The Childrens Shool Playing Field Group PLC. Rolling Eyes
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:10 pm

I am in a state of shock as I have just realised that I have a tie just like the one Gove is wearing in that photograph!

In the circs, I may need to strangle myself with it, now... Embarassed
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:34 pm

Mr. Gove is undoubtedly well-deserving of the descriptions ascribed to him by those of us not completely overwhelmed by his natural charm, but the fact is that he is the most likely survivor of this shipwreck of a Coalition.
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Post by Mel on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:37 pm

Oh my God Phil I'm wearing one exactly the same.

Stangle oneself? Na!!!, let's wait for the little Tory mutt to strangle himself. We must not deny ourselves that enormous pleasure.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:01 pm

" ( Gove is) the most likely survivor of this shipwreck of a Coalition. )

Very good news, since I cannot imagine anyone who is more likely to put off any wavering voters who may be ever-so-slightly tempted by the prospect of more Toryism...
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Post by Redflag on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:49 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:As Pickles Plans a Petrol Bomb Attack at Labour HQ...

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" Yes , Eric - an elephant's arse and your face..."

Do you think PH that Scam..er..on has looked in the mirror lately he is definitely no oil painting himself, as for FIVE CHINS & TEN BELLIES the guy that ate all the PIES from the H.O.C. restaurant.
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Post by bobby on Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:47 pm

Phil said: I am in a state of shock as I have just realised that I have a tie just like the one Gove is wearing in that photograph!

In the circs, I may need to strangle myself with it, now... Embarassed


Dont wory Phil, thats not his tie, he simply let his very generous lower lip drop into the ink well.
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Post by Redflag on Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:14 am

astradt1 wrote:When do the train companies announce their profits?




Thats easy astrad1 " Twelveth of Never" :bom:
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:14 am

Mel wrote:Thanks for that blue. The point is that we are in a double dip recession and a bad time to start hiking up fares with the exuse that railways
Well we know all about the huge profits they are making and getting tax paying subsidies to boot and major cuts in their staffing, for what? making more profit whilst reducing services again and as usual? Don't forget any new coaches are to be made in Germany.
Anyhow, it was your bloody lot who decimated the railways (Dr Beeching) and then sold the rest off in fragmentation so that it would be nigh impossible to re-nationalise.

How very True Mel... but then unlike Blue you would know that once a public service goes private up goes the cost of that very same service while cutting it to add to there profits. if anything goes to show how profits come before the service to the General public than you just need to look at the history of private UK railways. as it says it all
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Post by Redflag on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:44 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Gove Plans the Olympic Legacy

(flickr.com)

"...and your school playing field will be about the size of that piece of paper once I've sold the rest for executive housing..."

He is selling off the school playing fields to help out Tory donors fill there boots with tax payers money, at the same time he is making sure that the oinks (us) do not get the results in exams that would get us into the Universities.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:55 am

But that nice Mr Branston is willing to run his railway for nothing apparently.

Does that make him a Socialist?
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Post by Mel on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:13 pm

It is possible I suppose OW, even though somwhere in the back of my mind the name Pickles comes to mind. Smile
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Post by Redflag on Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:20 pm

Mel wrote:It is possible I suppose OW, even though somwhere in the back of my mind the name Pickles comes to mind. Smile

What do you mean Mel has five chins and ten bellies got his finger in that pie also, I thought myself that FIRST company had poured more money into Tory party funds than Branston so that the contract would automatically go to them they have most of the bus services the length and breadth of the UK, or maybe one of the top Tories has shares in the First company it remains to be seen, but never fear it will come out and when it does I hope the Labour gov't ( they will be in power by then ) prosecute them to the full strength of the law.
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Post by Ivan on Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:43 pm

Rail is a gigantic scam for siphoning off public money

Extracts from an article by Seumas Milne:-

"Ministers have given the 15-year contract to run Britain's most lucrative rail route, the west coast mainline, to the privatised bus operator FirstGroup, with a licence to increase fares by up to 11% a year, reduce services, downgrade catering and close ticket offices. Labour wanted MPs to be able to scrutinise the deal. But the Transport Secretary, Justine Greening, has ploughed ahead regardless, potentially tying the hands of government for the next three parliaments.

The controversy follows uproar over plans for an average 6.2% rise in rail fares from January. Commuters now routinely spend 15% of their income travelling to work on what is the most expensive rail network in Europe. It is now cheaper to fly on half the popular routes around Britain than travel by more environmentally friendly rail.

Nearly 20 years after John Major's disastrous privatisation, this is the reality of Britain's railway: a byword for bewildering fragmentation, unreliability and exorbitant cost – and a gigantic scam for siphoning off public money into the pockets of monopoly contractors. The top five executives of the heavily subsidised rail privateers paid themselves an average of £1m last year.

Privatisation was supposed to cut public subsidy; it has done the opposite. Government funding has at least doubled in real terms, while fares have also increased – including the costs of fragmentation and duplication; dividend payments to investors; contractors' profit margins; debt write-offs; and higher interest payments to keep Network Rail's debts off the government's balance sheet.

The solution is to rebuild a publicly owned and integrated railway. That can be done at zero or minimal cost, by bringing back each franchise into public ownership as the contracts expire. And saving the £1.2bn-a-year costs of privatisation over time would be the equivalent of an across-the-board cut in fares of 18%."


For the full article:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/rail-branson-firstgroup-public-ownership?CMP=twt_gu
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:45 pm

The niggle there is that during thirteen years of New Labour, nobody suggested re-nationalisation of those Railways which nobody could earn a profit from. That's probably because nobody could earn a profit from most lines, without a subsidy. Rail Track is simply a device whereby everybody pays to maintain the track on which wealthy speculators run their trains. If the entire Nation decides that a good railway network is essential, then the entire nation will have to pay for it, because the economics of running a railway can only justify commuter lines and three or four InterCity services.
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Post by Mel on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:58 pm

"What do you mean Mel has five chins and ten bellies got his finger in that pie also"

No no Red, I was just trying to make a funny. Looks like I failed Sad

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Post by bobby on Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:34 pm

All privatisations are a cash cow for the Tory Filth.
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Post by blueturando on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:20 pm

You forgot to mention this bit though Bobby. It seems they all want to sell off our public services...including Labour

The deal that made Circle the first private company to take over an NHS hospital has created a stir and given opponents of the NHS bill a focus for their discontent.

What is less well known is that the Hinchingbrooke takeover deal began under the watch of the last Labour government, and the health secretary, Andrew Lansley, has merely (doubtless with relish) signed it off. The fact that Labour initiated significant parts of the privatisation agenda – most notably setting up a commercial directorate within the Department of Health and rolling out the disastrous independent sector treatment centres – has undoubtedly muted their own response to the NHS bill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/joepublic/2011/nov/22/nhs-bill-privatisation-stealth


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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by blueturando on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:27 pm

More privatisation under New Labour than Thatcher and Major
Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS)

"I have to say to you this - that if you judge a government by how it behaves as an employer, this is the worst Government in the history of this country. I tell you why. Not because I have any illusions that David Cameron is going to be better - he's going to be dreadful - but the facts speak for themselves. In the Civil Service, the people I'm representing, in four years, the last four years of New Labour, we've lost 100,000 jobs, 2,000 offices have closed. More privatisation of our work than under the governments of Margaret Thatcher and John Major combined."
Mr Serwotka told delegates: "I can tell you absolutely that, even though I worked on the frontline under the governments of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, all of our members tell us there has never been a worse time to be a civil servant than under the current Government."

http://www.labouruniondigest.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=122:more-privatisation-under-new-labour-than-thatcher-and-major

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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by blueturando on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:45 pm

The niggle there is that during thirteen years of New Labour, nobody suggested re-nationalisation of those Railways which nobody could earn a profit from

The last Labour government did talk about it OW and I believe even had a vote on it, but Alistair Darling poo poo'd the idea

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