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Post by Redflag on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:44 am

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Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands."  No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector.   After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier...      IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?


His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing.  After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals?  Or is this an attempt to create:                  JOBS FOR THE BOYS

This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years.   There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories!   !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK.     In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other  99% of the UK public?   Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way? 

                                                                           WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?


When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess.   Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets  are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies. 

                                       PREPARING  FUTURE  GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS
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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:37 am

No man is an Island, entire unto itself.
John Donne

A week is a long time in Politics.
Harold Wilson

Discussion now of what the Country's financial situation might be in 2015 is as useful as speculating whether it might rain on Polling Day.

Any or all of the following might occur between now and then ..

A change of US President
A war between Middle East nations
Collapse of the Eurozone/or/Strengthening of the Eurozone.
Britain separates altogether from "Federated States of Europe".
Russia stops supplying Energy to the UK.
Second coming of The Messiah.
Failure of a major British Bank.
Massive new oilfield discovered in the Irish Sea.

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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by Redflag on Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:11 am

blueturando wrote:
Our problem will be when Labour get back in they will be shoveling SHYTE 24/7 for many years

Hilarious!!!! In some ways I hope Labour have to inherit a mess if they get back in power. Maybe it will teach them some valuable lessons on spending when you dont have the money...but I doubt it

You still will not ADMIT that some the the money that Labour HAD to Borrow went to bail out two building societies and FIVE BANKS so until you have the guts to admit that do not talk about the MESS LABOUR left and do not forget all the good the Labour party did while in power Oh no just rabbit on about the mess, and what do you think will be the legacy of your shower of dick heads when they leave office in 2015? I dread to think. Do not forget who it was that de-regulated the banks to cause the crash in 2008 the Maggot in the 1980s so the Tories need to take some of the blame for the fcuking mess also. lol!
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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by Ivan on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:28 pm

"A4e worse than useless, according to leaked figures"

An extract from an article by Don Paskini:-

"Channel 4 News has reported on the performance of welfare to work company A4e, based on performance figures from their first year of a lucrative government contract. The figures reveal quite how atrociously the company has performed.

A4e managed to help 3,400 out of more than 93,000. This is a success rate of under 4%. This is even more pathetic when as, according to the government’s analysis, around 5% of people referred to the Work Programme would have found and sustained work with no government support over the time period covered. In other words, A4e provided a ‘service’ which had worse outcomes than if they had done nothing at all. In one office in South London, only eight people were supported to find sustainable work over a nine-month period.

In total, A4E has received £45,893,535 from the DWP, mostly from the initial attachment fees. The cost to the taxpayer per job outcome so far is £13,498. This is an indictment of the government’s Work Programme and the process which led to A4e being selected to receive massive contracts."


You can read the full article and reader comments here:-
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/10/25/a4e-worse-than-useless-according-to-leaked-figures/

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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:14 pm

".... great fleas have lesser fleas, upon their backs to bite 'em ...."


http://www.loansfordisabled.co.uk/loans_for_people_on_disability_benefits.html

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Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

Post by Tosh on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:50 pm

loans_for_people_on_disability_benefits.html


Disabled people on benefits( we stopped counting under Labour) used to get loans until Labour nationalized the banks. Very Happy
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Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:05 am

Disabled people on benefits( we stopped counting under Labour) used to get loans until Labour nationalized the banks
Tosh. I'm getting sick to death of you peddling Tory lies on this forum. For the record, the number of people on inactive benefits fell by roughly 290,000 between November 1999 and November 2009.
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/labours_benefits_record_bringing_down_the_claimants-1510

Labour didn't nationalise all the banks, and you know bloody well that no government could allow them to collapse. Either provide sources for your crass political remarks or shut up and go back to the religion board. This forum doesn't exist for the propagation of Tory myths and legends, we want honest discussion.
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Post by Tosh on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:14 am

Ivan, thanks for the link, I assume you did not read it all the way through, you may have missed the ending, here is a refresher:

Conclusion

Yvette Cooper’s claim is yet another example of how claims made can be accurate without painting the full picture.

Comparing figures for inactive benefits with incapacity benefits could lead to the impression that more of the reduction came from incapacity benefit than was actually the case.

Even the fall in numbers claiming lone income support does not mean all these people moved off benefits and into work, they may simply be claiming job seekers allowance instead.


What was all that guff you were spouting about propogating myths and honesty.

Shame on you sir, is there not a Gulag named after you ?
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Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:22 am

more of the reduction
Tosh. It's no good trying to muddy the waters. Which part of "reduction" don't you understand? Somewhat different from your dishonest "we stopped counting under Labour" remark.

Lone parent claimants are not disabled claimants - did I really have to spell that out for you?

Once again you show yourself to be out of your depth on this board, as all you seem capable of is posting nothing but trite and hackneyed Tory myths.
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Post by Tosh on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:37 am

Sorry, I should have said Labour stopped caring about the numbers.

Disability is the biggest con-trick in town, everyone knows this but you.

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Post by Redflag on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:33 am

Tosh wrote:
loans_for_people_on_disability_benefits.html


Disabled people on benefits( we stopped counting under Labour) used to get loans until Labour nationalized the banks. Very Happy

Labour did not nationalize the banks through the B(W)ankers AVARICE Gordon Brown HAD to borrow money to BAIL out two building societies and 5 BANKS out of the MESS that they had got themselves into through there own GREED. I suppose G.B. should have just given them the money and not told them to pay it back or maybe the banks should have just came to you for the money they needed after a bad night at the CASINO, and if the banks ever have to come back in the future for another bail out I hope what ever gov't is in power tells them where to bloody well go, because they are still up to the same old tricks Barclays Libor scandal proves it. Maybe there is something in what you have said we should NATIONALIZE all the banks that way they would not be able to go to the CASINOS with the peoples savings and mortgage money.

I think you should do what Ivan has suggested Tosh, or even go see a doctor you have DEFINITELY got serious problems.
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Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:06 pm

Disability is the biggest con-trick in town, everyone knows this but you.
Tosh. Oh that’s charming, isn’t it? Another remark straight out of the ‘Nasty Party Handbook Of How To Divide And Rule’ and, as always, unsupported by any facts or source material.

Thanks to ignorant and callous people like you, disability hate crimes are increasing in this country. Next time you hear of such an incident, you can give yourself a pat on the back.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/aug/14/disability-hate-crime-increase-reported-incidents-data

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Post by Tosh on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:15 pm

Redflag,

The financial institutions that loaned money to the disabled were put under the control of government and are no longer lending money to the disabled.

The tax revenue from Casino banking funded the expansion of the public sector, do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Mistakes are made in all industries, especially when they are publicly owned, the only public sector companies that make a profit have a monopoly, and any idiot can make money when there is no competition.
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Post by Tosh on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:32 pm

Ivan,

I do not hate people for abusing a system not fit for purpose, it is human nature.
You must be living in cloud cuckoo land to miss the blatant abuse of invalidity and disability benefit schemes, this is money that should go to the deserving.

It is not a GP's job to decide if you are unfit for any kind of work, I know literally hundreds of people who could work in some capacity who have been on incapacity benefit for decades.

It is not just the rich who suffer from the weaknesses of human nature, why you believe otherwise is baffling me.

My wife has an auntie and uncle who have not worked for 17 years, they own their home, brand new car every 3 years( subsidised) and have two kids, the auntie has type 1 diabetes and the uncle has only 50% capacity in one of his lungs. There are freakin marathon runners with type1 diabetes and as a smoker her uncle has a greater lung capacity than freakin me, he builds his own kitchens and bathrooms ffs. They go abroad on holiday evey second year ??? eh ?

Are you suggesting these two people could not work in some capacity ?

The list is endless, the biggest con is stress, depression and addiction, the pubs and bookmakers are full of these people, they used to be ridiculed now its entitled.



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Post by astra on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:00 pm

Tosh, I hear you, but even you have to admit that the benefit system was used as a drain by successive gubmints to massage the jobless figures.

Gideon's mummy started the rot in wales.

Heath used the nationalised industry - fill up the offices with people doing nowt, but they did have a job.

In no way can this be construed as the fault of the poor sod needing a job, and is being pushed around.
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Post by Boudica on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:29 pm

Being of a simplistic turn of mind and not as well-read on the issue as many of you, I think my solution would have been to use the money to shore-up the savings, mortgages, etc of the millions in a specially set-up bank - potentially the Post Office. Then I would have let the banks fail.
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Post by tlttf on Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:53 am

I asked the same question before (not sure if it was msn or this forum) Boudica, logic said keep the post office in the public domain and use it to loan money to companies that wanted to expand. I was pilloried by the left footers (mel in particular(ex banker)for not understanding the banking system) and told the post office couldn't cope. Conveniently nobody could tell me why. Best of luck putting forward what seems to me a totally logical solution. Surprised

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Post by Redflag on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:16 am

Tosh wrote:Redflag,

The financial institutions that loaned money to the disabled were put under the control of government and are no longer lending money to the disabled.

The tax revenue from Casino banking funded the expansion of the public sector, do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Mistakes are made in all industries, especially when they are publicly owned, the only public sector companies that make a profit have a monopoly, and any idiot can make money when there is no competition.


DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL
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Post by Redflag on Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:53 am

How many of you watched channels 4s Dispatches last night ? did you all see what Scam..er..on and Landsley have done to YOUR NHS? at this time I thank God that I live in Scotland. You all know that this shower of dick heads handed over 49% of the NHS to the private sector and dispatches showed just how that is working NOT, even the people of Witney in Cambridgeshire Scam..er..on constituency can not get an appointment with a doctor or a practice nurse, it is going to be just as I predicted in this thread someone will DIE if England lets him away with this, the NHS doctors in Liverpool have all pulled out of virgin health care, and it is the same all over England people can not get too see a doctor when they are ill or have long term severe health problems. What is Scam..er..on doing about the mess that he and Landsley caused nothing except to fine virgin health care which has improved there service not one IOTA.

Once again I thank God that this all stops at the border of Scotland, but my heart goes out to you all in England having to keep your fingers crossed and hope you do not take seriously ill, wake up and smell the coffee before somebody in one of your communities has to pay the fatal price for Scam..er..on and Landsleys FCUKING MESS.
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Post by Ivan on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:25 pm

How little has changed since Tony Benn made this speech:-


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Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:27 pm

Ivan Thank You & Thank You one million thanks from me, the two best firecrackers with fire in the bellies Labour MPs, Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner I have always enjoyed watching the BBC Parliament channel but it made it more interesting when Mr Skinner signaled that he would be asking a question and I waited with baited breath to see who in the Tory party he was going to make feel uncomfortable with his question, since becoming interested in politics he has ben my favourite MP and I would be very honoured if I could meet him because I intend to by hook or by crook I will either go too Labour party conference or get my Labour MP to get me a pass just to meet our Dennis.

I hope you do not mind but I will be downloading it so that I can watch it again and again, I agree with you EFF ALL has changed from Thatcher to the Cameron no DIFFERENCE AT ALL.
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Post by Shirina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:34 pm

"The price of everything and the value of nothing." So true, even here in the States.
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Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:24 pm

Shirina wrote:"The price of everything and the value of nothing." So true, even here in the States.

I take it Shirina you watched it too, what did you think of it ? and did you enjoy it? Tony Benn is the man who FOUGHT to give up his title so that he could get into the House of Commons. He has retired but his son Hilary Benn is on the opposition benches in the shadow cabinet, he has not got the same fire as his father but is still a good fiery Labour MP.

Dennis Skinner is so different from every other MP, he does not wrap up his words - a Spade is a Spade in his book and I suppose that is what I enjoy about his politics, I know it's wrong to have a favourite but he is my HERO and would give my right arm to meet him.
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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:42 am

Here we go yet again. privatisaion of Royal Mail against "fierce opposition". Obviously the opposition was not fierce enough and even if it was these Tory rats would ignore it as they do any opposition to their wealth to the rich ideology.

What's next, the air we breath?
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:08 am

Could be quite interesting if the posties go on strike against privatisation at the same time as the Tories are flogging shares to their mates.
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Post by astradt1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:50 am

So the minimum share request is reported to be set at £750.......
That is about 115+ hours wages for someone on minimum wage.....
So the government is not looking for the small share holder........
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Post by Redflag on Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:37 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Could be quite interesting if the posties go on strike against privatisation at the same time as the Tories are flogging shares to their mates.
I agree OW it will be very interesting, I think the Unions will make it as difficult as possible for this gov't to sell ONCE AGAIN OUR ROYAL MAIL, just like OUR gas electric trains and phones and look what has happened there the fatcats are making them a packet and they're still getting taxpayers money.
 
Thatcher Hesintine and Mandelson tried it and FAILED. Cameron is going the right way to turn the people of the UK against him on the run up to the May 2015 general election, I think he is in for a great shock when his safe Tory seats disappear from underneath his nose adding to his record the worst Tory PM in history.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:32 pm

The history of Tory privatisations shows that although the great unwashed buy the initial offer of shares, they have sold them to the Professionals within a couple of years. Royal Mail will progress to being foreign-owned before five years have passed.
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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:06 pm

"Royal Mail will progress to being foreign-owned before five years have passed."
 
Without a shadow of a doubt.
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Royal Mail sell-off

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Post by Redflag on Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:05 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The history of Tory privatisations shows that although the great unwashed buy the initial offer of shares, they have sold them to the Professionals within a couple of years.  Royal Mail will progress to being foreign-owned before five years have passed.
 
You're spot on OW, if we take a good look at OUR services that Thatcher sold in the 80s/90s and then look at WE have to pay for those same services today, so the Royal Mail will go the same way IF WE allow it to be sold off to Tory donors and friends who five years down the line will be creaming off the big profits for themselves and their shareholders.
 
Its about time the people came out onto the streets the length and breadth of the UK and gave the Tory and the Prostitute party a lesson they will never forget EMBARRASS the FCUK out of them and while we are at it let them know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS we will not be voting for them in May 2015, see how much they value that.
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Post by vappuk on Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:42 pm

Will the Royal Mail retain its name?
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Post by Mel on Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:55 pm

"Will the Royal Mail retain its name?."
 
Maybe The Private Royal Mail???
 
Thousands will lose their jobs with The Post Office next for privatisation.
The further you have to post the more expensive the cost will be.
The fiction painted that there will be "more competition" will only mean that the competition will also raise their prices just to follow the increased charges to the public that will undoubtedly come.
 
Profit for the shareholders first, cost to the public second with a reduced service. We have seen it all with the Witches doings and we did and will do nothing about it. The Tories are no longer concerned about strike actions, the Witch made that possible did she not?
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Post by Redflag on Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:29 am

Mel I agree with all you have said in your post but you missed out one thing, if the private sector put up the cost of postage which they will, there is no doubt there but could they cut off their own nose to spite their face, the more the price goes up the more people will be unable to pay so doing away with part of their business they thought would make them a packet of our cash.
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Post by Mel on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:17 am

Red, It seems to me that people will pay for what is a necessity. For example electricity, food, petrol etc. The rich can afford the price hikes, the poor have to go without and the rest manage just about to pay. The problem is nobody gets up on the soapbox in Hyde Park anymore and Joe public put up with it all. Unlke the French for example, they always kick up a fuss and have a loud voice.
Our lot are dumb and let the government and the rich industries pi55 all over them it seems to me.

As I keep saying those who are "I'm alright Jack" just do not care who is in power as long as THEY are getting along thank you.
These are the sort who will by one way or another possibly put this evil lot back in for another term God forbid.
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Post by bobby on Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:04 pm

As pointed out by Ivan on another thread, everything but the judiciary and the military will be privatised. I don't know about the rest of you, but once they too become private we will be proving George Orwell's book 1984 to be closer to fact than I care to think about.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:34 pm

It's odd that the true name of "George Orwell" was Eric Blair.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:51 pm

Mel wrote:Red, It seems to me that people will pay for what is a necessity. For example electricity, food, petrol etc. The rich can afford the price hikes, the poor have to go without and the rest manage just about to pay. The problem is nobody gets up on the soapbox in Hyde Park anymore and Joe public put up with it all. Unlke the French for example, they always kick up a fuss and have a loud voice.
Our lot are dumb and let the government and the rich industries pi55 all over them it seems to me.

As I keep saying those who are "I'm alright Jack" just do not care who is in power as long as THEY are getting along thank you.
These are the sort who will by one way or another possibly put this evil lot back in for another term God forbid.

I agree Mel but there is something that puzzles me, you will remember the poll tax and the riots and protests that caused what in HEAVENS name is stopping them this time when they have MORE reason to riot and protest against ANOTHER Tory gov't as PER-USUAL.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:39 pm

Redflag, constant dripping will wear away the hardest stone.

Rupert Murdoch is a patient man.
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Post by James Gibson on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:47 pm

Redflag wrote:
I agree Mel but there is something that puzzles me, you will remember the poll tax and the riots and protests that caused what in HEAVENS name is stopping them this time when they have MORE reason to riot and protest against ANOTHER Tory gov't as PER-USUAL.
I think that this can be explained by the pacification of people in British politics. As a result of the Conservatives (and admittedly Labour is partly guilty of this too) bringing post-aristocratic bureaucrats into all of their cabinets since Thatcher - people have begun to see politics as a useless or even silly affair. We brand politicians as stupid and incompetent and have no issue in getting involved in the system. This wasn't the case 30 or 40 years ago - what's changed?

I've still got a huge amount of faith in the anti-cuts and anti-austerity movements across Britain. Ed Miliband, while he has been sketchy with his comments on current austerity measures, will very likely take on board on the calls being put forward by the unions and the local Labour groups. People want to scrap the NHS. They want to make the rich people pay for the deficit, not the poor people. There is a very clear message being put forward to Labour and I'm confident that there is going to be a shift leftward to the party. I'm confident, not certain. As always, there are career politicians and bureaucrats within the party who're willing to adopt Conservative policies just to bridge a few alliances with influential people. Fortunately, I think that the real power lies in the people - and this manifested in the trade unions, the activist groups and overarching public opinion on matters to do with budget cuts. This is not a middle class country and the government won't be able to ride policies that benefit the few forever.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:39 am

Hi James and welcome to Cutting Edge if your post is anything to go by you will be a ASSET to the forum.

Thank you for explaining my query, and do agree the anti-cuts & austerity movements are great I just wish they could get there message to more people, like the ones that still believe Cameron and his Poodle and his Chancer of Exchequer are nothing more than a shower of Etonians doing there best for there friends in the City of London and Tory fund donors.

Did you happen to see last nights Panorama TV program on BBC, if not try and get it on there web site it opened my eyes to something I thought was happening but the program verified my thoughts.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:03 pm

Significantly, not much real effort seems to have been made to collect a Sales Tax on goods sold here by Offshore companies.

Curious. Brussels is very agitated about that anomaly Europe-wide.
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