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Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

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Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:13 am

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OUR three main political parties made a great deal about the deficit, before, including and after the TV debates, and Gordon Brown got the blame, how very convenient.

The truth is that the deficit was brought about by the former New Labour Government continuing the right wing low income tax agenda from the former Thatcher/Major years. But not one political party had the guts to admit this, before, on or after the three TV debates.

The media never challenged this either, because Britain has been a low income tax nation since the 80s, while most of our wealth goes abroad.

All we heard in the debates was about how best to reduce our deficit, even though the £6billion is just a fraction of the actual deficit of £160billion, and now the Tories are going to use the deficit as an excuse to cut jobs and create even more welfare dependency than there has been since the 80s and the free market was introduced.


Now, the British Tory voters have put the Tories back in the perfect position to cut services to the bone over their five-year term of office, because the free market needs a vast number of unemployed people to make it work, while also controlling the economy, hence the Tory cuts straight away, creating mass unemployment, and the British Tory voter this time round, actually voted for these cuts.

And the Tories are going to move the retirement age up to 68, if the TV debates were anything to go by, as part of cutting the deficit, and I can't believe Tory voters voted for this either.

I never imagined that the Tories would beat New Labour, albeit to form a minority government, following the 18 years of Thatcher and Major. I can now assume that the British do indeed have very short memories because factually Gordon Brown and Tony Blair did help out the pensioners and give help to low-paid workers via tax credits. The Tories would never do this, it is their sole aim to help their own. So I have to ask why did so many people vote for the establishment party, the Tory party, at this general election ?

I make no bones about it when I say that our politicians are now playing politics with people's lives and livelihoods, because who knows where the budget cuts will fall over this five-year term. Who knows how many people will lose their jobs and won't be able to pay their mortgages and will end up homeless while our politicians remain in their ivory towers, feeling not one millionth of the insecurity felt by the vast majority of the people in this country who struggle to keep body and soul together, to keep a roof over their heads. The politicians call what they do 'hard choices' when in truth the cuts to come are nothing short of barbarism.

The New Labour government at least helped the poor, the establishment party — ie the right wing of the Tory party — are once again returned to power, and the Lib-Dems are keeping them there.
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:39 pm

Mel wrote:"I take it that you are another Tory, tifft ?"

Cor blimey Ivanhoe, aint it obvious???

He will deny it though and advise you to vote Independant whilst having previously yet reluctantly admitted he voted Tory at the last election.
Confused .Com??? He obviously is.

Mel. British Tory voters have no idea what they are voting for. A lot of it is snobbery & class. And most of it is political ignorance.


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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:26 pm

For generations the British Public have voted in the manner suggested by the British Press.

Now you can clearly see the result, how many more generations will it take to change our habits?
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Mel on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:46 pm

True OW and correct as usual. We should re-name you Always Right, not wing of course.......... Very Happy
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:01 pm

oftenwrong wrote:For generations the British Public have voted in the manner suggested by the British Press.

Now you can clearly see the result, how many more generations will it take to change our habits?

You should put that on your board. It's spot on.
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:34 pm

Nope not a tory IvanH, I'm way more right wing than them. If you want a voice vote for an independent. If nothing else it would wipe some of the smug looks from the existing mps of all persuasions and perhaps make some of them actually listen to people.

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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:39 pm

tlttf wrote:Nope not a tory IvanH, I'm way more right wing than them. If you want a voice vote for an independent. If nothing else it would wipe some of the smug looks from the existing mps of all persuasions and perhaps make some of them actually listen to people.

Im genuinely interested in your ultra right wing policies. Let me guess just one.

The abolition of the welfare State.

Am I right ?
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:44 pm

Nope, I believe that in life there is a chance that anybody through no fault of their own needs an hand on occasion. It becomes a problem when it becomes a way of life by choice.

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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:52 pm

tlttf wrote:Nope, I believe that in life there is a chance that anybody through no fault of their own needs an hand on occasion. It becomes a problem when it becomes a way of life by choice.

Have you ever been on welfare ?
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Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:56 pm

Nope, but I have used the NHS.

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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:13 pm

tlttf wrote:Nope, but I have used the NHS.

Well then, until you have, dont you dare even, think, that some people make a lifestyle choice to live on welfare.

Having said that, your gross descriminative arrogance, is so typical of many people in Britain who simply love to look down on the unemployed, I think this ignorant attitude stems from the Empire, when we enslaved the blacks in their own country.

The unemployed were demonised by Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown, like Hitler demonised the jews.

Where does descrimination stop ?
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Have I hit a nerve Ivanh?

Surely me believing that everybody should put something into the community makes me a good socialist. Did you notice that when people on disability had to be checked 44% of them dropped the claim. If somebody chooses to not work I have no problem with it, I only find it morally offensive when they expect me to pay for their choice.

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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:25 pm

tlttf wrote:Have I hit a nerve Ivanh?

As a 63 year old who has worked hard all his life paying taxes and NI contbutions, I find people with opinions like yours, morally repulsive.

I have never minded my taxes helping people to live, who are unemployed, because I know they are in the majority.

It is only right wing Tories who know that there are suckers like you who think small mindedly, who the Tories rely on to pass the word and infect society with your repugnant replusive views.
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:28 pm

Why are my views repulsive. I've already stated that we should help those in need. Is yours atypical of left footers, hate everybody that has a different view of charity to their own?

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Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:44 pm

tlttf wrote:Why are my views repulsive. I've already stated that we should help those in need. Is yours atypical of left footers, hate everybody that has a different view of charity to their own?

The welfare State should not be deemed as charity. It should be like the EU and Nordick systems. A right. And non means tested.
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Post by tlttf on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:47 pm

And you wander why the country is in a mess?

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Post by Ivanhoe on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:12 pm

tlttf wrote:And you wander why the country is in a mess?

This country is in a mess due to over 30 years of ultra right wing facist policies, hitting the poor, the old, the sick, and the unemployed.
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Post by astradt1 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:43 pm

Isn't it interesting to see those on the right wing suddenly try and encourage people to vote for an independant...........

They know of course that the LibDem alternative vote is nolonger an option to keep out Labour.........
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:16 pm

Couldn't even keep out Gorgeous George.
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Post by astradt1 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:21 pm

Ha, but Gorgeous George is an Independant..........

So having seen that it worked in Bradford West they, the right wingers, are now advocating nation wide.......
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Post by Stox 16 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:33 am

tlttf wrote:The coalition is being hmmered in the press and by lefties (surprise surprise) and yet people still distrust milli and company to do better. Weird world innit?

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best read what your mates in the right wing press are saying them...not one Labour supporter here tittf


What the papers say: '

As I watched the Budget and saw Messrs Cameron, Clegg, Osborne and Alexander [I] did get that "What do they know about anything?" feeling which, polls suggest, is doing the coalition harm.

Charles Moore, Daily Telegraph

The Chancellor and his rich cabinet colleagues cannot begin to understand what it's like to be so hard-up that a sharp rise in the price of a pasty will hurt.

The Sun editorial

Cameron has little time to put things right – once the public has made up its mind, no force on earth can change it. The proxies and cronies must go.

Peter Oborne, Daily Telegraph

The tax has ignited a political firestorm... leading the posh British prime minister, David Cameron, to claim — not all that convincingly — that he, truly, is an aficionado of the pasty (which rhymes with nasty).

Landon Thomas Jnr, New York Times



It is time Mr Cameron and his Chancellor realised how disconnected they appear from the people they purport to rule, and whose votes they seek.

Simon Heffer, Daily Mail

Now the Tory party are in the very deep do doo.....as this lot are said to be your parties friend


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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by Stox 16 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:34 am

tlttf wrote:The coalition is being hmmered in the press and by lefties (surprise surprise) and yet people still distrust milli and company to do better. Weird world innit?

Tittf
best read what your mates in the right wing press are saying them...not one Labour supporter here tittf


What the papers say: '

As I watched the Budget and saw Messrs Cameron, Clegg, Osborne and Alexander [I] did get that "What do they know about anything?" feeling which, polls suggest, is doing the coalition harm.

Charles Moore, Daily Telegraph

The Chancellor and his rich cabinet colleagues cannot begin to understand what it's like to be so hard-up that a sharp rise in the price of a pasty will hurt.

The Sun editorial

Cameron has little time to put things right – once the public has made up its mind, no force on earth can change it. The proxies and cronies must go.

Peter Oborne, Daily Telegraph

The tax has ignited a political firestorm... leading the posh British prime minister, David Cameron, to claim — not all that convincingly — that he, truly, is an aficionado of the pasty (which rhymes with nasty).

Landon Thomas Jnr, New York Times



It is time Mr Cameron and his Chancellor realised how disconnected they appear from the people they purport to rule, and whose votes they seek.

Simon Heffer, Daily Mail

Now the Tory party are in the very deep do doo.....as this lot are said to be your parties friend


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Why is Cameron intent on cutting the police force?

Post by stuart torr on Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:52 pm

Why on this earth is Cameron so intent on cutting the size of the english police force by the number of police mainly and staff secondly? 61.000 last year and another 64.000 police officers mainly and staff secondly coming up soon? does he not like the poor to be protected or the elderly? the man is just a rich moron living in his own Castle well protected.
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Re: Deficit is excuse for the Tories to cut jobs

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Though Brexit is keeping British boatyards afloat:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/06/we-name-this-ship-brexit-britain-yacht-firms-toast-booming-market

(The lowered cost of employees maintains foreigners' lifestyle.)

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