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Post by ROB on Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:53 am

“Need a job, need a job, need a job, vote Cain.”

Cain, "a black man" is kicking Romney and Perry "to the curb". Anyone seen Ms. Bachmann?

Rising Cain: He now leads GOP pack,
NBC poll finds


By Mark Murray
Deputy political director
NBC News
updated 12 October 2011 6:28:08 PM ET 2011-10-12T22:28:08

... conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Cain checks in [at] 27 percent... former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent... Perry at 16 percent... Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

In the previous... late August [survey], Perry... [was] at 38 percent, Romney... [was] at 23 percent... Cain was at only 5 percent.

Full story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44881446/ns/politics-decision_2012/


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Post by ROB on Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:08 pm


Herman Cain, “a Black man” (Steveland Morris).


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Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:23 am

Herman Cain has zero chance of being elected.

Blacks, by and large, vote Democrat...this is an undeniable truth. Cain has no chops as a conservative to go the distance. He's the Michael Steele of candidates...for lack of a better euphamism...a token.
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Post by ROB on Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:53 am

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Herman Cain has zero chance of being elected.

Why is it that “Herman Cain has zero chance of being elected?”

Is it because Cain fails “the paper bag test”, and thus “has zero chance of being elected?” Is it because he’s “too Black”, and thus “has zero chance of being elected?”

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Blacks, by and large, vote Democrat...this is an undeniable truth.

“Blacks, by and large, vote Democrat” because “Blacks, by and large”, accurately perceive and clearly understand the GOP as currently configured consists largely of crypto-racists who do everything that they know how to do to exclude Black Americans from seats of economic and political power.

Look at “the cavalcade of clowns” (as I call them) presented on a platter by the Republican power-mongers for consideration as commander-in-chief, chief executive officer, chief of government, and chief of state of the greatest military and economic power on earth. Take a good, long, hard look at these pretenders, and consider what the presentation of these pretenders as serious candidates portends for the political party that has presented them:

Mitt Romney is a committed member of a group which, until 1978, publicly and proudly propagated the proposition that Black people worldwide could be but second-class “citizens” (?) in God’s Kingdom both on Earth and in Heaven. When given the opportunity to disavow the position which the hierarchy of his “church”, the one’s who held and hold in their little hands the precious “temple pass card”, the coveted and oh so holy (?) “temple recommend”, Governor Mitt Romney tapped danced around the direct question in a manner that would have done the Four Step Brothers proud. See the video at the end of this commentary section and witness the sad debacle for yourself.

Michelle Bachmann, who stated before a nationwide audience, which included at least four Black Americans (the four who watched her circus from our shared den), that a President of the United States of America “doesn’t have an energy policy” and the administration of the current President of the United States of America has approved not one offshore drilling permit during his term of office. Could it be that, perhaps, in Ms. Bachmann’s mind, that a President of the United States who fails “the paper bag test” cannot possess sufficient capability to draft and implement an energy policy? Could it be, perhaps, in Ms. Bachmann’s mind, that failure of “the paper bag test” preclude a President of the United States from approving off-shore drilling permits? Who knows what lurks within the mind of Congresswoman Michelle Bachman? Only the Congresswoman Michelle Bachman.

Rick Perry, whose election to the office of president would benefit Black Texans only in the fact that if Rick Perry becomes President of Our Country he can no longer be Governor of Our State. Thinking of the multitudinous deficits of a “Perry Presidency” make my stomach hurt.





And there’s this Bachmann tap dance.




GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Cain has no chops as a conservative to go the distance.

Why is it that “Cain has no chops as a conservative to go the distance?”

Is it because Cain fails “the paper bag”, and thus “has no chops” among crypto-racist “conservatives” to “go the distance?” Is it because he’s “too Black”, and thus “has no chops” among crypto-racist “conservatives” to “go the distance?”

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He's the Michael Steele of candidates...for lack of a better euphamism...a token.

Why is it that Cain is “the Michael Steele of candidates...for lack of a better euphemism...a token?”

Is it because Cain fails “the paper bag”, and thus is “the Michael Steele of candidates...for lack of a better euphemism...a token?” Is it because he’s “too Black”, and thus is “the Michael Steele of candidates...for lack of a better euphemism...a token?”
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Post by ROB on Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:44 am


Herman Cain Gets Cheers at GOP Debate
Cain drew cheers from the crowd at the CNBC GOP presidential debate tonight when he defended himself from a series of sexual harassment allegations.

By msnbc.com's Michael O'Brien

An almost triumphant Herman Cain emerged at Wednesday night's Republican presidential debate...

Cain drew wild cheers at a CNBC debate upon defending himself from a series of sexual harassment allegations that have emerged against him in the last week and a half.

"The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations," he said in the early moments of the debate. "This country's looking for leadership, and this is why a lot of people, despite what has happened over the last nine days ... the voters have voted with their dollars, and they are saying we they don't care about character assasination -- they care about leadership and getting this economy gooing and all the other problems that we face."

More: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/09/8724076-cain-emerges-triumphant-in-early-moments-of-gop-debate
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Post by ROB on Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:58 am

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Herman Cain has zero chance of being elected.

Is that why someone (I wonder who?) has gotten busy, with irrelevant allegations, attempting to derail the Herman Cain Express Train?

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Cain has no chops as a conservative to go the distance.

Herman Cain is chopping the competition into unreconstructable itty-bitty pieces.

Not bad for someone with “no chops.”

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Cain [is] a token.

Herman Cain is certainly a symbol of deliverance unto America of “liberty and justice for all”, the promise unfulfilled for more than two hundred years of the two hundred thirty-five years, four months, six days passage of time from 4 July 1776 to 10 November 2011.

Pretty good for “a token.”
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“Need a job, need a job, need a job, vote Cain.”


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Post by Shirina on Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:39 am

Is it because he’s “too Black”, and thus “has zero chance of being elected?”

I refuse to go down that road. I'm pretty certain that those who are against Cain will be accused of racism - just like it was done with Obama. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak, I have little doubt that the Republicans will do exactly what they've been accusing the Democrats of doing - playing the race card. But if two black men end up running for president, the race card will be nullified.

Plus Cain is a diplomatic nightmare. During the worst economy since the Great Depression, the American people do not want to be told that it's their fault if they don't have a job. The black population does not want to hear how they are "brainwashed" for voting Democrat. Not knowing that China has nuclear weapons only hints at the foreign policy bungling that will be sure to come under Cain. And the American people know full well that Cain is after the poor's money so the rich can live a little bit more extravagantly. Lowering taxes on the wealthy will not create jobs - the wealthy already have more than enough money to create them. They simply refuse to. Giving them even more money isn't going to do anything whatsoever except make the poor poorer and the rich richer. I think the people of this country understand this all too well. Cain will get absolutely nowhere - and I sure as hell am not going to vote, or not vote, for a candidate based on the color of his skin.
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Post by ROB on Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:48 am

Shirina wrote:
Is it because he’s “too Black”, and thus “has zero chance of being elected?”

... if two black men end up running for president, the race card will be nullified.

True. Voters would be forced to focus upon content of character rather than color of skin.

Ain't America grand?
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Post by dimsum on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:48 pm

Herman Cain told senior campaign staff members Tuesday that he's "reassessing" his campaign in the wake of a fresh allegation that he engaged in a 13-year-long extramarital affair.

Steve Grubbs, the candidate's Iowa campaign chairman, confirms to NBC News that Cain said he's taking a step back, much as he did after his finish in the Ames Straw Poll in August, to evaluate the direction of his campaign. The call included Cain's 50 state directors, and the reassessment will occur over the next two days.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/29/9093531-cain-tells-staff-hes-reassessing-campaign

Seems sexual hrrassment is not his only problem..Buh Bye Mr. Cain Laughing
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:34 pm

There will be only one "deciding" question during the next Presidential Election.

It's the Economy, stupid. ©1992
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Post by ROB on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:53 pm

dimsum wrote:
Seems sexual hrrassment is not his only problem..Buh Bye Mr. Cain    Laughing

In America USV, as in all Locke-ian countries, a person is innocent until proven guilty.

Seems judging a person guilty without affording a person due process as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States unto all persons in America USV is a trait shared by a number of disingenuous Americans USV when then candidate doesn’t adhere to their ideology.
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Post by dimsum on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:07 pm

Well if he had an affair and it seems he did according to his atty. then he is toast. Did he beleive he would not get caught? The only one I feel sorry for is his wife.
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Post by dimsum on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:09 pm

Seems the only time that "family values" means anything is when a democrat gets caught ...He was already on his way out.



Maybe he should of thought of all that could come out before he ran. Not to bright IMO
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Post by astra on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:45 pm

Maybe he thought he would follow Martin Luther King's example!
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Post by dimsum on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:54 pm

Astra this is about Cain running for office when he knew he had all this in the closet. Not very bright and I did not see MLK running for POTUS
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Post by ROB on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:08 am

dimsum wrote:
Seems the only time that "family values" means anything is when a democrat gets caught ...He was already on his way out.

Maybe he should of thought of all that could come out before he ran. Not to bright IMO

All of what? If you’ve documentation of something via access to public court records, I’d like to see it.


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Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:08 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
dimsum wrote:
Seems sexual hrrassment is not his only problem..Buh Bye Mr. Cain Laughing

In America USV, as in all Locke-ian countries, a person is innocent until proven guilty.

Seems judging a person guilty without affording a person due process as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States unto all persons in America USV is a trait shared by a number of disingenuous Americans USV when then candidate doesn’t adhere to their ideology.


The presumption of innocence is truly the refuge of the guilty...a rapist is a rapist the moment he assaults a woman regardless of whether he's ever caught, prosecuted and convicted of "the crime of rape". It's only those with questionable morals and/or character that believe a person is not guilty of being a criminal unless and/or until convicted of such a crime. If you steal a purse from an old lady, you're a thief whether you ever see the inside of a courtroom. That however, seems to be a position held by conservatives; liberals tend to wait for adjudication to call the guy who stole grandma's purse a thief. Well, unless it was THEIR grandma's purse, that is.

*cue the wailing and gnashing of teeth 'cause "my boy" would never do such a thing 'cause that's not how he was raised"*

If a guy will cheat his wife, he will cheat ANYONE....a man who cheats is absolutely NOT TRUSTWORTHY.
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Post by ROB on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:12 am


Astra,

Now you know why I respect but do not venerate MLK. If I could meet someone from the 1960s, MLK would below Robert Francis Kennedy and El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz on h list.
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Post by ROB on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:21 am

dimsum wrote:
Well if he had an affair and it seems he did according to his atty. then he is toast. Did he beleive he would not get caught? The only one I feel sorry for is his wife.

I’ve looked, but I’ve failed to find court documentation of anything in your post. Does due process mean anything to you?
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Post by dimsum on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:40 am

Due process??? He is not charged with a damn crime he is accused of cheating on his wife for 13 years. I will pass on him thanks. If you find that suitable material for POTUS that is on you . He is no way suitable IMO.
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RockOnBrother wrote:
GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Herman Cain has zero chance of being elected.

Is that why someone (I wonder who?) has gotten busy, with irrelevant allegations, attempting to derail the Herman Cain Express Train?

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Cain has no chops as a conservative to go the distance.

Herman Cain is chopping the competition into unreconstructable itty-bitty pieces.

Not bad for someone with “no chops.”

GreatNPowerfulOz wrote:
Cain [is] a token.

Herman Cain is certainly a symbol of deliverance unto America of “liberty and justice for all”, the promise unfulfilled for more than two hundred years of the two hundred thirty-five years, four months, six days passage of time from 4 July 1776 to 10 November 2011.

Pretty good for “a token.”

So, in your mind, Obama is not the first black President? Obama not "black enough" for you?
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Post by ROB on Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:33 am

dimsum wrote:
Due process???

Yep. It’s right there in the 14th Amendment.

dimsum wrote:
He is not charged with a damn crime…

Exactly.

dimsum wrote:
… he is accused of cheating on his wife for 13 years.

No he’s not.

One is accused of a crime (indicted, charged), tried for a crime, and either convicted or acquitted of the criminal charges. I’ve not accused him of any crime, and neither has anyone else.

What has happened is that some woman, probably a woman scorned, has chosen to talk about having a good time with Herman Cain once upon a time, or twice, or thrice… No crime there; thus, no accusation.

Just a suggestion: Of one doesn’t like a person, just say so. No crime there, either. I believe it a bit tawdry to allow national enquirer-type “journalists” of the Murdoch school of “journalism” to divert attention from pertinent information regarding any candidate.

Since you’ve not said a word about it, I’ll ask directly about some pertinent stuff. What is your opinion “take”/assessment o Cain’s 9-9-9 proposal?

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I will pass on him thanks.

Your choice, which you can express exercising your Creator-endowed constitutionally guaranteed unalienable/inalienable right to vote during the upcoming Republican primary elections/caucuses in your state.

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If you find that suitable material for POTUS that is on you.

True. I exercise my Creator-endowed constitutionally guaranteed unalienable/inalienable right to vote during most elections (I’ve missed maybe three in several decades).

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He is no way suitable IMO.

He is “suitable” in the “opinion” of the Constitution of the United States of America.
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Post by astra on Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:46 am

Not very bright and I did not see MLK running for POTUS



If Martin Luther King had been allowed to live, and tried for political office, how far would he have got? Remember at that time, America was on her own as in the treatment of her OWN people.


According to the press here in UK, at the time, MLK could do NO wrong!
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Post by ROB on Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:06 am

astra wrote:
If Martin Luther King had been allowed to live, and tried for political office, how far would he have got?
Not very.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:59 am

A person seeking political Office may get away with a history of involvement in shaky financial transactions, but can rarely survive allegations of sexual misbehaviour.

Why do so many people prefer a robber-President to a philandering one?
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Post by Shirina on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:12 pm

Why do so many people prefer a robber-President to a philandering one?
We're a nation of sexually repressed prudes. This is probably why sexual humor is rampant here in the US. Inappropriate sexual trysts are far more horrible than Bernie Madoff, which is why a sex scandal will stay with us for decades (read Bill Clinton) while Bernie Madoff, who scammed over $60 billion dollars, will be quickly forgotten.
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Post by Shirina on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:12 pm

Lately, Cain was quoted as saying, "Stupid people are ruining America" and went on to accuse a nameless group of waging a conspiracy against him, against his name, and against his reputation to try and "bring me down."

HELLO! Mr. Cain, it's time to wake up and smell the politics! I almost feel sorry for him, I really do, if he thought he would be the first presidential candidate in American history to escape the microscope that is the press and the opposing party. Is this man truly this naive? Did he really believe that his sexual indiscretions were going to be kept locked in the closet along with any other skeletons that may be lurking in there? Yes, Mr. Cain, there is a conspiracy to bring you down - just like how Obama had to fight against conspiracies surrounding his birth certificate, his citizenship, whether or not he was a Muslim, or even if he was bosom buddies with domestic terrorists. Obama was dragged around under that microscope for three years. I can only assume Cain wasn't watching or paying attention. Nor was he paying attention when Rick Perry was raked over the coals for having a stone marker on his property with a racial slur painted on it. The smear campaign will find out EVERYTHING about you. If you cheated on your 6th grade crush, they'll find out. If you stole a pack of gum when you were 16, they'll find out. If you got detention for shooting spitwads at the teacher, they'll find out. Anyone entering the political arena had better have all of their ducks in a row beforehand instead of believing they could quietly squeak by without anyone "noticing" a bunch of sexual harassment accusations.

If this nation is being ruined by stupid people, then it's high time Cain stopped being part of the problem.
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Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:08 pm

A person with bad credit has not necessarily committed a crime...that certainly does not preclude one from divining that they shouldn't be trusted with money, as their judgement is obviously suspect.

A man who cheats on his wife is dishonest and untrustworthy...nothing he "brings to the table" as a politician can offset this.

I won't vote for a man who cheats on his wife...period. It shows his moral compass and mine, most assuredly, are not even remotely similar.
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Herman Cain...please just go away.

Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:31 pm

Seriously...you've got to talk to your wife if you can keep running for President?

*rolls eyes*

If your wife says "yes", do you have to go talk to all your girlfriends next?
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So...I create a thread asking Herman Cain to just go away and it magically gets deleted when ROB's online

Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:59 pm

Really? Asking Herman Cain to just go away because he's got to run back to the little woman to ask if he can keep running for President is that offensive?

lol

Herman Cain is a philandering womanizer...if that's your idea of Presidential material, then what can I say
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Post by ROB on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:18 pm

Shirina wrote:
HELLO! Mr. Cain, it's time to wake up and smell the politics!

just like how Obama had to fight against conspiracies surrounding his birth certificate, his citizenship, whether or not he was a Muslim, or even if he was bosom buddies with domestic terrorists. Obama was dragged around under that microscope for three years.

The smear campaign will find out EVERYTHING about you. If you cheated on your 6th grade crush, they'll find out. If you stole a pack of gum when you were 16, they'll find out. If you got detention for shooting spitwads at the teacher, they'll find out.

If this nation is being ruined by stupid people, then it's high time Cain stopped being part of the problem.

Herman Cain is absolutely correct. When Cain polled higher than Romney in one of the polls that doesn’t count, I quietly predicted the following:


  1. Cain will be attacked and smeared about something that has absolutely nothing to do with “9-9-9” or anything else he’s said about US economic, political, and/or geopolitical issues.
  2. The attack on Cain will center upon noncriminal sexual allegations by one or more females.
  3. The attack on Cain will somehow involve/include Gloria Allred.


Three for three, 1.000 batting average. That would get me a contract in the Bigs, I gaow-rown-tee.

The national enquirer imitators who clog our media outlets with trash feed the “stupid people” whose willingness to be led into the gutters where the vermin thrive is quickly corroding our country from within.

You mentioned Obama. How many of the smear campaign bandwagon-hoppers mentioned the fact that John Sidney McCain II, a man I respect, was born outside the United States of America? One doesn’t even need to forge a phony birth certificate to prove that. How many of the bandwagon-eers acknowledge that the predator/hellfire campaign initiated by George W. Bush, with the able aid of Robert Gates, has been expanded and enhanced by Barack Hussein Obama Jr., with the able aid of Robert Gates, such that terrorist scum al qaida and taliban beasts know the meaning of the Tomcat slogan, “you can run but you cannot hide” in their bones?

And on 1 December 2011, how many of the cacophonous entourage populating this new bandwagon have publicly discussed 9-9-9 since the first attack?
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:48 pm

There is a phrase which covers the situation, but although it has been known for over two thousand years, is not observed in modern Politics.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
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Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:15 pm

oftenwrong wrote:There is a phrase which covers the situation, but although it has been known for over two thousand years, is not observed in modern Politics.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

*starts chucking rocks*
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Re: Cain but not “Able?” Is Cain the only credible nomination for the Republican Party 2012?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:26 pm

Awesome!
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Re: Cain but not “Able?” Is Cain the only credible nomination for the Republican Party 2012?

Post by Shirina on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:46 pm

Herman Cain is absolutely correct.

Of course he's correct! I'm not disputing that.

Rock, you know as well as I do that every single presidential candidate goes through this process. Every single candidate has a conspiracy waged against him (or her) to smear his name. Almost unilaterally, the conspiracy has absolutely nothing to do with the candidate's political platform. With GWB, it was him going AWOL from the National Guard instead of going to Vietnam. With John Kerry, it was his purple heart medals and the swiftboat nonsense. With John McCain, it was about him crashing all of those aircraft. With William Jefferson Clinton, it was about smoking a joint in college. With Obama, it was his birth certificate. And MOST candidates actually have more than one little controversy swirling around about himself and not just the ones I mentioned.

Cain only managed to get where he is in the polls because Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, and Romney didn't survive these conspiracies. Cain may not, either.

The point I'm making is that Cain acts like he never saw it coming. Unless your past is golden and free of major flaws, any mistakes made will be used against you in spadefuls. Cain isn't special yet he acts as if he is, all indignant and petulant that anyone would dare to do this to him! It reminds me of people who are killed by trains - how the hell could you not see THAT coming? Yet there's Cain, knocked flat by a train he should have seen half a mile away. Cain behaving as if this is some sort of attack conspiracy is only putting on his Captain Obvious suit and parading around in it. Why yes, Mr. Cain, it is a conspiracy to bring you down. Every candidate has to deal with it, and now the jury is out in the court of public opinion. We'll see how much this affects his chances come 2012, and that's all Cain can do - wait. The "how dare they!" approach does not endear himself to the jurors.
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Post by ROB on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:31 pm

Shirina wrote:
Herman Cain is absolutely correct.
Of course he's correct! I'm not disputing that.

I know you're not. I didn't mean to imply that. My bad.

Shirina wrote:
Rock, you know as well as I do that every single presidential candidate goes through this process. Every single candidate has a conspiracy waged against him (or her) to smear his name. Almost unilaterally, the conspiracy has absolutely nothing to do with the candidate's political platform. With GWB, it was him going AWOL from the National Guard instead of going to Vietnam... With John McCain, it was about him crashing all of those aircraft. With William Jefferson Clinton, it was about smoking a joint in college. With Obama, it was his birth certificate.

The point I'm making is that Cain acts like he never saw it coming.

All true, and your point is taken. My point is that the cr*p that passes for journalism is eroding the foundation of our American democracy. Cain is just the latest example.
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Post by Shirina on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:50 pm

My point is that the cr*p that passes for journalism is eroding the foundation of our American democracy. Cain is just the latest example.
I totally agree.

Perhaps you have seen the television mini-series called The Winds of War. I remember the scene when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was trying to cross a gangplank from his ship to the HMS Prince of Wales for a meeting with Winston Churchill. Of course the press was there in profusion to document the first meeting of these two great leaders. But Roosevelt was having a lot of trouble getting himself across, but he refused any help. So Roosevelt twitched and jerked and spasmed his way across the gangplank looking like some mechanical toy with a broken spring.

And the scene shifted to a line of photographers with those old flash bulb cameras. Every single one of them lowered their cameras. Not one of them ... not a single one ... would take a picture of the president in such a compromised state.

Today, I think the best and brightest among us refuse to run for political office because of the flagrant disrespect and lack of privacy doing so entails.
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Post by ROB on Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:17 pm


Shirina,

I remember The Winds of War. It’s tied with Shogun and Roots at the top of my mini-series list. I remember the scene you describe, and thank you for bringing it back to the forefront of my conscious mind.

In today’s cesspool, Winston Churchill would have been so busy defending himself against charges that he drank alcohol and smoked tobacco that he might not have either time or focus to inspire and lead the United Kingdom during civilizations darkest 20th Century time.

Thirty-one years later, Woodward and Bernstein were required to cross-verify every Nixon/Watergate story with corroboration from three independent, reliable sources before publication.

How far down we’ve stooped in less than four decades.

By the way, it’s John Sidney McCain III, not II, as I said above. My bad.
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Post by ROB on Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:36 am


Word” from South Carolina: Moonpie says “Vote Cain!”

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