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Has nothing changed in two years?

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Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:35 am

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A safe Labour seat has been wiped out by a 10,000-vote majority in favour of George Galloway.

Voter apathy at the General Election effectively meant that none of the main parties enjoyed enough support to form a Government.

The result in West Bradford by-election suggests that is still the case. There is little public support for any of the three main parties.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Blamhappy on Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:45 pm

My smart friend believes that the NHS reforms are reversible. He believes that most won't be able to be put into action within the next three years.

I so hope he's right. It's a worry for me.

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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Ivanhoe on Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:53 pm

oftenwrong wrote:" make Labour think "

Bring back Tony do you mean? He was the last Labour Leader to understand why people elect governments.

He was the first Labour leader to turn the Labour party into a right wing Tory Government.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Blamhappy on Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:03 pm

I liked him. He was brilliant.

I know I'm the only one who thinks this lol
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Post by Blamhappy on Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:05 pm

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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by astra on Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:12 pm

Blair has done MORE for the peole of Iraq (by rebuilding after Bush's tantrums) than he has for the North East of England who were devastated by the Thatcher and Major years!

Some epitaph for a labour PM!!
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Redflag on Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:13 pm

bobby wrote:Ivan.... I dont like Galloway either.

Bloody hell blue you want to hear what he says about you.

The Tories should not crow too loud because Galloway will prove to be a THORN in Scam..er..on side and will go looking for things like the £250,000 dinners and any other dirt that the Tories think they have covered up not with Galloway around, but it will cause fun and games in the H.O.C something I will watch with bated breath.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by blueturando on Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:31 am

The Tories should not crow too loud because Galloway will prove to be a THORN in Scam..er..on side and will go looking for things like the £250,000 dinners and any other dirt that the Tories think they have covered up not with Galloway around, but it will cause fun and games in the H.O.C something I will watch with bated breath

Red....Do the Labour party need Galloway to do this....where have your partys balls vanished to? Still in the pockets of Murdoch and the Banks I guess along with Camerons

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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by bobby on Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:48 am

Good Morning Blueturando. I could not set off on my daily errands without first making a couple of points.


You have in the past wrongly referred to the Tony Blair Government as Thatcherite, all he did was the same as most Government do, which includes Herr Cameroons excuse for a Government, and keep to the previous incumbents current spending plans.

If you are referring to New Labours policies of helping industry then yes he did, but there was nothing Thatcherite about that, it was good sence and part of his much stated third way. What it seems you are so foolishly saying is that if any Government looks after Business they are Thatcherite as though that nasty old bitch invented it.

In my post I gave a small list of Tory achievements I say achievements because to the evil Tories they where. You even refer to what I have written as twaddle, now here’s your chance to prove either I write twaddle or you just talk Bollocks. Show me what I have said that isn’t correct, show me which one of the utilities, Companies or services I mention that weren’t run into the ground then sold or closed.

Then you have the gall to post a list that sounds more like it belongs to your beloved party of scumbags. It was the Tories who de regulated the Banks.

“Happy to take large donations from rich people“, of course they are, get in the real world blueturando, If per chance you are making a veiled reference to a certain Bernie Ecclestone, They gave his 1 million back, I don’t see any of Ashcroft’s money changing accounts.

“Cash for Honours“, there’s not much I can say about that other than it was well wrong.

“Gap between the rich and poor grows” Yes it did, and don’t you idiot Tories go on about it, but what you fail to mention is that although the rich got richer, the poorer where also lifted up because of the minimum wage, opposed by the Tories and pensions rose tear on year, something the Tories never did, Pension credits, cold weather payments, the list is endless and you must know exactly what I mean, when of course you relieve your head of the weight of those blue tinted specs.

Illegal war in Iraq just to cosy up to the Americans. Again yet another feeble stick to beat Labour with. Your Tories fully agreed to the War and as far as I am concerned it wasn’t actually Illegal.

No interest in closing Tax avoidance loopholes for the rich. What you mean the loopholes used predominantly by the front Bench or the Tories sitting in parliament now, which includes the Chancellor himself. All of these things have come to light since the credit crunch and no on, repeat no one gave a hoot about them whilst everyone was doing well from 10 years of economic growth, its only when things get hard, and the Tories put the squeeze on the plebs do people worry over such things, again blueturando get real.

Calling a working class Labour voter 'Bigot' for having a legitimate concern on immigration levels. Well talk about making a mountain out of a molehill, it was almost as bad as Clegg telling Herr Cameron before their microphones where turned off, how well they are getting on when fooling a crowd of people, and the language used was terrible for so called National leaders
Brought in Part privatisation in many areas of the public services sector...including the NHS. [size=16]You really are a silly little Billy aren’t you. Even at the tender age you where when the Tories got kicked out in 1997, Labour inherited from the Tories a crumbling under funded and struggling NHS, people where waiting in excess or t6wo years for urgent Cardiac treatment and operations, Patients where lined up in corridors awaiting treatment due to the multitude of ward closures, people where dieing due to the lack of treatment. Labour when back in power had no other choice other than to use the services available to quickly reduce the enormous Tory Created waiting lists. Some of the clinics used had very expensive and specialised equipment and it remained more cost effective for the NHS to continue using said clinics that to build new ones that wouldn’t be used to capacity, and would have for long times be sittin idle.

As for the last two points, surely you must be talking about you precious Tories.

But why let the truth stand in the way of being a good Tory.


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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:49 am

" I liked him. He was brilliant." (Blair)

Welcome to the forum , Blam.

Although it is not fashionable to do so, I understand why Blair did most of what he did . He had no real option but to take certain steps to make the Labour Party electable and, although his form of modernisation was too much for some to bear, it seemed to me to be amply justified by the times in which we were living. Certainly Kinnock ( perceived, justifiably, as a Welsh Windbag) could not have delivered the change - although he did, to his credit, start the process for which Blair became the acceptable face, by confronting the likes of the likes of Derek Hatton and other Loonies of the Left.

Most of all, Blair was a man who could defeat Tories - and what more does a nation need?!

Despite the assumptions of many, I am not a Labour supporter -although if you detest the Tories as much as I do , it may be inevitable that such a conclusion will be drawn. If only a Tony Mark 2 could be found right now - whatever label was attached to his lapel... Rolling Eyes


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Post by Mel on Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:11 am

" I liked him. He was brilliant." (Blair)

Blam, I am certain that many many people think the same as you regarding Blair. I for one think he was the best PM this conutry has had.

He was condemned of course by many for the war in Iraq. IMO there were WOMD in Iraq and I have a friend (RAF Flight Officer) who is "sure" they were moved to Syria where the investigators were not allowed in.

Now we see how the Syrian government act, makes my friends thoughts even more realistic.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Mel on Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:20 am

bobby wrote "it was the Tories who de regulated the Banks."

Indeed it was bobby,Thatcher in fact. Having decimated our industrial base, the loss of tax revenue had to be replaced, hence the deregulation of bank lending. This opened the flood gates for more freedom to underwriters and more than that it allowed bank to bank lending between banks here and here and overseas banks.

One could say she sowed the seeds for the Global Banking Crisis, and poor old Brown picked up the tab.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:19 pm

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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:00 pm

Good heavens! Surely one's chauffeur can be trusted to store a can of petrol safely?

That can't be a resigning matter, can it?

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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:04 pm

Mel wrote:bobby wrote "it was the Tories who de regulated the Banks."

Indeed it was bobby,Thatcher in fact. Having decimated our industrial base, the loss of tax revenue had to be replaced, hence the deregulation of bank lending. This opened the flood gates for more freedom to underwriters and more than that it allowed bank to bank lending between banks here and here and overseas banks.

One could say she sowed the seeds for the Global Banking Crisis, and poor old Brown picked up the tab.

To which the only comment can be, "If you didn't like Gordon Brown, what do you think about what you've got now?"
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Post by Redflag on Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:23 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
Mel wrote:bobby wrote "it was the Tories who de regulated the Banks."

Indeed it was bobby,Thatcher in fact. Having decimated our industrial base, the loss of tax revenue had to be replaced, hence the deregulation of bank lending. This opened the flood gates for more freedom to underwriters and more than that it allowed bank to bank lending between banks here and here and overseas banks.

One could say she sowed the seeds for the Global Banking Crisis, and poor old Brown picked up the tab.

To which the only comment can be, "If you didn't like Gordon Brown, what do you think about what you've got now?"

There will be a loads and loads of people regretting there thoughts and that X in there ballot paper, what I say is Hell Slap It into them for being Idiotic and down right stupid.
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Post by bobby on Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:59 pm

I must admit, and I make no apology Tony Blair was without doubt the best PM this Country has had, and will go down in history as such.
I most definitely don’t agree with those who say he was Thatcherite, as most of his Manifesto was fillede with anti Thatcher policies, and he fulfilled over 80% of his manifesto promises in his first term, not like another Leader we could all name. I am fully aware that Tony Blair let some people down, especially in the North East, but all in all he did a good job for the country. Cometh the moment cometh the man and we had that man in Tony Blair. If our economic state was as it was under his and Gordon Browns stewardship ship, I doubt if forums like cutting edge would see the light of day, as we had a much happier and wealthier population under his leadership and had a lot less to moan about.

I will now wait for Ivanhoe to give us his false picture of Tony Blair, but we still just about have freedom of speech.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:14 pm

Distance lends enchantment. Blair's USP was an ability to recognise that the British Public was wedded to Business, which was the province of the Tory Party. Once he had succeeded in separating the Labour Party from Clause 4, people were quite happy to accept any change from Tory Sleaze.

Then he bent over for George Bush, and the honeymoon was over. Tony's main interest was Tony's interests. Nobody knows why he thought Al Quaida was present in Iraq in the total absence of any evidence, but that's History now. Ultimately it has had the effect of bringing all of us back within the reach of the Tory dragon's fiery breath.

RIP the reputation of Tony Blair. Just more of the same old, same old.

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:39 pm

One day, this will all be yours, Dear Boy!
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What about George Galloway then?

Post by Papaumau on Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:46 pm


Love him or loath him, George Galloway is certainly the come-back kid, I think.

He has successfully held seats in Scotland and in England and even after being kicked out of the Labour Party he has come back again and also done a bit of kicking out himself.

In an astoundingly successful by-election in Bradford he was elected once again as a Member of Parliament with a massive majority that overturned an already good majority held by a sitting Labour Party member.

His Respect Party - he says - is a political party that is attempting to fill the gap left by Labour when it lurched to the right under Tony Blair and he coincidentally, with a group of my own creation, states that he is now "True-Labour" in form and substance.

Of course our Gorgeous George is probably the best self-publicist that we have ever seen in politics in Britain and even after some rather dodgy connections with Saddam Hussein and other ethnic groups in Bradford he has managed to capture the imagination of many of the ordinary people wherever he has previously campaigned.

I have to ask any of the lefties here - who may be very like myself in vision - if they think that George Galloway is the face that "Real Labour" could use as a front for any new and refreshed version of Labour after it has been devalued by Tony Blair and his connections to much of the Tory propaganda and dogma that he brought along with his New-Labour regime ?

I do hope that the powers here "Ivan"? do not mind me inserting that tiny link to a cause that is close to my heart ?

I would love the good people here to discuss the idea of a refreshed "Real Labour" force for good after being used and abused by a now-discredited unholy coalition that is the CON-DEM government.

Don't be shy, speak your thoughts, as I won't be hurt by any strong criticism so long as it is thoughtful.

Over to you..... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:04 pm

Papaumau wrote:
Love him or loath him, George Galloway is certainly the come-back kid, I think.

He has successfully held seats in Scotland and in England and even after being kicked out of the Labour Party he has come back again and also done a bit of kicking out himself.

In an astoundingly successful by-election in Bradford he was elected once again as a Member of Parliament with a massive majority that overturned an already good majority held by a sitting Labour Party member.

His Respect Party - he says - is a political party that is attempting to fill the gap left by Labour when it lurched to the right under Tony Blair and he coincidentally, with a group of my own creation, states that he is now "True-Labour" in form and substance.

Of course our Gorgeous George is probably the best self-publicist that we have ever seen in politics in Britain and even after some rather dodgy connections with Saddam Hussein and other ethnic groups in Bradford he has managed to capture the imagination of many of the ordinary people wherever he has previously campaigned.

I have to ask any of the lefties here - who may be very like myself in vision - if they think that George Galloway is the face that "Real Labour" could use as a front for any new and refreshed version of Labour after it has been devalued by Tony Blair and his connections to much of the Tory propaganda and dogma that he brought along with his New-Labour regime ?

I do hope that the powers here "Ivan"? do not mind me inserting that tiny link to a cause that is close to my heart ?

I would love the good people here to discuss the idea of a refreshed "Real Labour" force for good after being used and abused by a now-discredited unholy coalition that is the CON-DEM government.

Don't be shy, speak your thoughts, as I won't be hurt by any strong criticism so long as it is thoughtful.

Over to you..... Rolling Eyes

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What can any body say about GG not a lot from what I have heard him tell his followers at his rallies after winning the Bradford West, he has been telling them that when he gets to the H.O.C he will get rid of Cameron Clegg and Miliband and that he will be PM and the people that voted for him believe that he means it after his antics in the B/B house who could take him seriously. The only person that GG is interested in is himself if you take a look at his previous attempts into the world of politics you will see he failed all the people that voted for him in past elections. If you go on line and take a look at what he has said since he won if nothing else you will get a laugh. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:13 pm

Gorgeous George and Buffoon Boris have more in common than either would like to admit. Each is a consummate self-publicist, practised in telling people what they want to hear, and each knows how the levers of Power are operated.

They could exchange jobs and within a month it would cease to be reported. Which is reason enough to choose neither.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Redflag on Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:01 pm

tlttf wrote:Ed Miliband didn't win in Scotland.

He didn't win in Bradford West - his candidate was humiliated by one of the most odious people in British politics.

What if Ed Miliband doesn't win in London?

William Hill have already cut the odds on Mr Miliband being ousted. Ed Balls is sitting in his study now, dusting off the Yvette-for-Leader campaign plan and ordering in some extra lasagne.

In truth Ed Miliband is a loser whatever happens in London. If Boris is re-elected it's confirmation that Ed Miliband's Labour Party is hardly capturing the zeitgeist. If Ken Livingstone is elected Mr Miliband will be under pressure to move further Leftwards and mimic Red Ken's politics of division, grievance and state dependency. Livingstone will become the darling of Labour's redroots.

The tide is turning tittf, the latest from the Corby By-Election is that the Labour candidate is 22 points ahead of the Tory candidate, and he has decided to throw in the towel because of those 22 points so it will be good to see where they eventually come in the poll perhaps UKIP will beat not just the L/Ds but the Tories also, the other two seats that will also be in a by-election will got to the Labour party and oh I forgot how many of the Police Commissioners will the Labour party take on Nov 15th ? lol! lol!
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:12 pm

QUOTE Red Flag: The tide is turning tittf, the latest from the Corby By-Election is that the Labour candidate is 22 points ahead of the Tory candidate, and he has decided to throw in the towel because of those 22 points so it will be good to see where they eventually come in the poll perhaps UKIP will beat not just the L/Ds but the Tories also, the other two seats that will also be in a by-election will got to the Labour party and oh I forgot how many of the Police Commissioners will the Labour party take on Nov 15th ?

Now suggest what might happen if the people really running the Tory Party decide to replace Dave with the dreaded Boris, Redflag? Are we looking at swopping Ed Miliband for Gorgeous George, do you think?
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Post by tlttf on Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:15 pm

Nice to see you've recalled a 6 month old post red. Lets be honest though considering the shyte being written about the coalition are you surprised that the area of Liverpool are polling for Labour, remember they're still living in the days when they had docks!

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:13 pm

tlttf wrote:Nice to see you've recalled a 6 month old post red.....

Surgeons bury their mistakes. Contributors to a discussion forum have to live with the possibility that errors of judgment may come back to haunt them. Again and again and again.
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Post by Redflag on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:06 am

tlttf wrote:Nice to see you've recalled a 6 month old post red. Lets be honest though considering the shyte being written about the coalition are you surprised that the area of Liverpool are polling for Labour, remember they're still living in the days when they had docks!

It is not shyte that is being written about the coalition its what we call on the left TRUTH, but then again right wingers DETEST the word TRUTH because they can not understand it.

Here is a geography lesson tittf Corby is in NORTHAMPTONSHIRE no where near LIVERPOOL here endth the geography lesson. lol! lol!
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Post by Red Cat Woman on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:33 pm

tlttf wrote:Nice to see you've recalled a 6 month old post red. Lets be honest though considering the shyte being written about the coalition are you surprised that the area of Liverpool are polling for Labour, remember they're still living in the days when they had docks!

Liverpool? Corby is know where near Liverpool. unless the Tory party has moved it?

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Post by tlttf on Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:13 am

Slightly amused it took a day and no doubt much checking of the internet to note the whereabouts of Corby. Nice to see geography lessons haven't failed. Very Happy

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Post by Redflag on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:02 pm

tlttf wrote:Slightly amused it took a day and no doubt much checking of the internet to note the whereabouts of Corby. Nice to see geography lessons haven't failed. Very Happy

I checked it out as even before Mench was 5 minutes of giving up her seat for family reasons lol! , I suppose you where thinking Kirby which is in the same area of Liverpool Silly Boy tittf.
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Re: Has nothing changed in two years?

Post by Ivan on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:15 am

A lot has changed in what is now the last three years, as these comments from Alastair Campbell remind us:-
 
“The Tories talk of the ‘NHS mess they inherited’ to justify changes for which nobody voted and for which they have no mandate. What they actually inherited was an NHS with the highest satisfaction ratings in its history, which are now sliding as waiting lists grow, health workers are deliberately demoralised, and Hunt talks up failure wherever he can find it to open the doors to a new system geared to those who see healthcare purely as a source of profit.

The same approach in education, where Gove casts around for schools doing badly amid the thousands doing well, and deliberately distorts Blairite reforms aimed at helping those at the bottom of the educational pile to justify changes aimed at ushering in private providers at the expense of standards and enough school places. In welfare, the truth that the big bills are going on pensions for an ageing population is twisted to feed a hate agenda against the poor, the disabled, asylum seekers, all wrapped up as the ‘scroungers’ who in reality make up a tiny fraction of Duncan Smith’s budget.

The Britain the coalition inherited in 2010 was fairer, better off, with improved and improving public services, stronger cities and regions, a vibrant culture. It was not a mess. The mess is happening now, with living standards falling, NHS crises returning, unprecedentedly low morale among teachers and police, power shifting back to a few at the top. Britain, far from booming, is recovering more slowly than had they followed the Brown-Darling approach that was beginning to deliver the jobs and growth we needed.”

 
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Post by Redflag on Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:44 am

oftenwrong wrote: Now suggest what might happen if the people really running the Tory Party decide to replace Dave with the dreaded Boris, Redflag?  Are we looking at swopping Ed Miliband for Gorgeous George, do you think?
 
Sorry OW, GG is no longer a Labour party member thanks to himself not being a team member, any problems he had should have been taken up with the leader, to be honest there is not any difference between Cameron and Boris both are CLOWNS as the Tory voters are finding out to their sorrow POOR DEARS.
 
Ed Miliband is not up to top speed at the moment but the recent criticism will be the push he needs, it will also open the lines of communication between himself and the voters a lot clearer in other words he knows what he has to do now.
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