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Plan B for the hopeless George Osborne

Post by Ivan on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

This Tory-dominated government claims there is no alternative to austerity. Below, nine leading economists, including a Nobel Prizewinner and one of the Chancellor's own advisers, say that's wrong - and offer a different path:-

Cut VAT back to 17.5%
Christopher Pissarides
Agree financial transaction tax
Jeffrey Sachs
Reduce NI contributions
David Blanchflower
Print money for the public
Sushil Wadhwani
Start a national investment bank
Robert Skidelsky
Lift the cap on immigration
Jonathan Portes
Lend directly to small businesses
George Magnus
Launch a green new deal
Ann Pettifor
Set up a recovery fund
Christopher Allsopp

For the details of each of those suggestions, click on the links on this page:-
http://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/10/alternative-coalition

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Post by Papaumau on Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:50 am


I have always based my attacks on the super-rich and privileged in this country on the fact that it has been published that when we look at all of the wealth that is in this country the taxation based on that wealth is very seldom anywhere near the 45 percent that our Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, has recently lowered and keeps harping on about.

It is known that 70 percent of the wealth of this country is in the hands of thirty percent of the population and that the other thirty percent of that wealth - that is floating around the country in the hands of the seventy percent of the population - is taxed to the hilt using P.A.Y.E. methods that are very difficult if not impossible to avoid.

It appears that government after government and HM Revenue and Customs after HM Revenue and Customs have spent all of their working days trying to protect the super-rich from paying their whack while they screw the rest of us right into the ground with tax demands.

This rich/poor divide is now becoming so wide and the incidences of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is now becoming so clear and constant that the "them and us" feeling has to be as strong as it ever has been in this country.

It is this phenomenon that has triggered a campaign by myself and a large number of like-minded people whereby we can try to effectively steer the political direction that governments of the future might take.

If any of you are interested in trying to right this wrong and are willing to try to persuade our political servants in Britain to bring back some sense and some true fairness into this society then why don't you have a look at our "Bring Back Labour" campaign that is highlighted in our open letter to Ed Miliband HERE

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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by sickchip on Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:03 pm

Papa,

I agree with the thrust of what you are attempting to do. One thing I would have added to the 'letter' would have been the urgent need to address wage differentials via redistribution, ie some receiving wage rises and others taking pay cuts.
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:41 pm

Papaumau wrote:
I have always based my attacks on the super-rich and privileged in this country on the fact that it has been published that when we look at all of the wealth that is in this country the taxation based on that wealth is very seldom anywhere near the 45 percent that our Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, has recently lowered and keeps harping on about.

It is known that 70 percent of the wealth of this country is in the hands of thirty percent of the population and that the other thirty percent of that wealth - that is floating around the country in the hands of the seventy percent of the population - is taxed to the hilt using P.A.Y.E. methods that are very difficult if not impossible to avoid.....

How much is "enough"? HMRC are told how much money the Government needs to fulfil its obligations, and proceeds to collect that amount. Most of it comes to hand automatically, with relatively little effort, because Employers do the tax-gathering. The balance is not so easy, as Companies and the Self-employed have a thousand ways of arranging their affairs so as to minimise the amount they have to pay the Treasury.

Sensible people gather the low-hanging fruit before concerning themselves with the hard-to-reach variety.
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by Adele Carlyon on Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:18 pm

Lazy inequality eh?
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Post by sickchip on Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:37 pm

Post war the british working classes took a step forward......there has been a concerted drive, by the powers that be, since the 80's to ensure they are forced to take three steps back - it's all about the establishment safeguarding themselves and their perceived order of things.

This has been further compounded by the move towards a global economy - which will drive western wages and living standards down in order to compete with China, India, etc. The west won't foist our political systems or democracy on China.....the reverse will happen, ie. the elite will slowly force the chinese model onto the workforce here.
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Post by Scarecrow on Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:50 pm

Capitalism dictated what we are seeing and witnessing . A crystal ball was never needed to predict the likes of China and India clawing there way to the top.
If anyone has vast amounts of cash , invest in silver , simple as that , I will invest if and when I win the lottery ha ha .

physical silver is by far the greatest act of wisdom and rebellion anyone can and should be doing right now. It is both a Silver Bullet to rebel against the Elite’s corrupt system and a Silver Shield to protect your family and wealth in a post-dollar world. Buying physical silver is non-violent, non-compliant resistance. Most importantly, it works outside of the system and it cannot be stopped.

“As long as you play by the Elite’s rules, the Elite will rule.” -Chris Duane

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/04/05/silver-is-the-achilles-heel-of-the-corrupt-rothschild-bankers-paradigm-j-p-morgan-does-not-want-you-to-buy-silver/
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by Stox 16 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:09 am

Papaumau wrote:
I have always based my attacks on the super-rich and privileged in this country on the fact that it has been published that when we look at all of the wealth that is in this country the taxation based on that wealth is very seldom anywhere near the 45 percent that our Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, has recently lowered and keeps harping on about.

It is known that 70 percent of the wealth of this country is in the hands of thirty percent of the population and that the other thirty percent of that wealth - that is floating around the country in the hands of the seventy percent of the population - is taxed to the hilt using P.A.Y.E. methods that are very difficult if not impossible to avoid.

It appears that government after government and HM Revenue and Customs after HM Revenue and Customs have spent all of their working days trying to protect the super-rich from paying their whack while they screw the rest of us right into the ground with tax demands.

This rich/poor divide is now becoming so wide and the incidences of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is now becoming so clear and constant that the "them and us" feeling has to be as strong as it ever has been in this country.

It is this phenomenon that has triggered a campaign by myself and a large number of like-minded people whereby we can try to effectively steer the political direction that governments of the future might take.

If any of you are interested in trying to right this wrong and are willing to try to persuade our political servants in Britain to bring back some sense and some true fairness into this society then why don't you have a look at our "Bring Back Labour" campaign that is highlighted in our open letter to Ed Miliband HERE

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A very good posts papa and if there was ever the time in the History of the UK we need some true fairness in society it today. we need a Labour Government that is for the 70% of the people and not this over paid 30% how think its there duty to not pay tax even. I hope with all my heart that the UK people finally wake up to the fact that the Tory party has no real role in a modern economy or society. its time as come and passed. I hope everyone who really cares about the UK votes Labour.
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by Mel on Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:42 am

A company which is one of the Conservative party's largest donors paid no corporation tax for three years and could be dissolved by Companies House for failing to file accounts.

Lycamobile, an international firm that sells foreign mobile calls, gave the Tories £136,180 in the current quarter and £40,000 in the quarter before that, making the company the Tories' third biggest donor over this period.

That's Tories for you. Wake up public and do something about ridding us of this Tory menace before it's too late.
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:32 am

I don't see how we can ever expect to have honest Government whilst the election process is so expensive. Only the wealthy can afford to be involved in Politics. Wealthy people usually expect a return on their investments.
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Re: Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Post by Papaumau on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:12 am


Thanks for the positive responses folks and all of the added comments are very true too.

Oftenwrong said:

Sensible people gather the low-hanging fruit before concerning themselves with the hard-to-reach variety.

And I must sadly agree with him that it is because it is easy to take the greatest amount of tax from the proletariat, past governments have always chosen this route to gathering money into the treasury's coffers.

Maybe it is the time for the ordinary people to get out onto the streets again and to tell these privileged and indolent people in government that we have simply had enough.

To change the subject slightly......

It was refreshing to see Cameron and Osborne getting a hard time from one of their own when Tory, Nadine Dorries called them "arrogant posh-boys" that are out of touch with the people of Britain.

Read more about this HERE

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Post by Stox 16 on Thu May 17, 2012 3:37 am

Papaumau wrote:
Thanks for the positive responses folks and all of the added comments are very true too.

Oftenwrong said:

Sensible people gather the low-hanging fruit before concerning themselves with the hard-to-reach variety.

And I must sadly agree with him that it is because it is easy to take the greatest amount of tax from the proletariat, past governments have always chosen this route to gathering money into the treasury's coffers.

Maybe it is the time for the ordinary people to get out onto the streets again and to tell these privileged and indolent people in government that we have simply had enough.

To change the subject slightly......

It was refreshing to see Cameron and Osborne getting a hard time from one of their own when Tory, Nadine Dorries called them "arrogant posh-boys" that are out of touch with the people of Britain.

Read more about this HERE

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Hiys Papa
you may find the history of Gideon Osborne a bit handy


George Osborne was born in london on the 21st of may 1971.He is heir to the Osborne and Little fortune (an upmarket wallpaper/drapery firm) being the eldest son of
the baronet, Sir Peter Osborne. He was privately educated at St.Pauls School for boys.The school has a strict entrance policy and commands annual fees in
excess of £20,000. At the age of 13 he made the presumptuous decision to change his name to George, apparently telling his friends that Gideon was not a
name befitting a future PM. He moved on to University at Oxford where he graduated with an equivalent of a 2:1 in Modern History.At University like David
Cameron He joined the notorious Bullingdon Club. This is a secret society reserved for aristocrats who show their disdain for the lower classes by trashing
properties and using their wealth and influence to hush up the victims of the vandalism.The Bullingdon is also renowned for it's riotous drinking
sessions and
it was here that Osborne was to meet Nat Rothschild, a fellow member and heir to the Rothschild banking fortune.He is married to the author Frances Osborne and has two children.

He became the youngest MP in the house of commons when in 2001 he won the seat to represent the constituency of Tatton. In the atmosphere of a Tory party lacking in direction his rise to the position of Shadow Chancellor was somewhat
meteoric. In 2005, following his re-election as MP for Tatton, Michael Howard saw it fit to give him this post while he was still only 33 years old. His real rise
to national prominence came during the 2007 conference season.The tories were 10 points behind in the polls and Labours lead seemed somewhat
unassailable. In a do or die conference both Cameron and Osborne performed well. Osborne's proposals to increase the threshold for inheritance tax
invigorated the grass roots. As Gordon Brown dithered and backed out of calling a snap election Osborne was much credited with changing Tory fortunes.
For about a year He was the Tory golden boy. He could do no wrong even allegations of cocaine use and a lurid photo of him (aged 22) with a black
dominaitrix published in The Mirror did not seem to damage him.


The beginning of the end of his honeymoon as shadow chancellor came when the
Deripaska scandal broke. Osborne was alleged to have solicited a donation from the Russian Oligarch (net worth £22billion) while staying on his yacht the
Queen K. what made it worse is that the allegations came from his friend and fellow Bullingdon Club member Nat Rothschild (net worth £11billion).
Apparently Rothschild felt slighted that Osborne had revealed to the press parts of a private conversation that Peter Mandelson had held in an off the
record party where Rothschild was the host.

The allegations that Mandelson had 'dripped poison' about Gordon Brown was seen as not quite cricket and had
seemingly broken some rich man's code of silence. Osborne was widely seen as being 'taken back to school' by the prince of darkness,Lord Mandelson.This
made Brown look particularly astute as in an unorthodox move he had reintroduced the Tory nemesis as business secretary to his cabinet. As Brown led the
world in bailing out the banks the Tories who had opposed this move were seeing their massive lead in the polls dwindle.This led for calls for Osborne to
resign as shadow chancellor and make way for his old boss William Hague. Amidst a political climate where the economy has taken centre stage Osborne and
the Tories have appeared increasingly bereft of ideas and their attempts to pin the blame for the entire global crisis on Brown has not worked. After his now
infamous speech 'predicting' a run on the pound (after the pound had already lost 25% in its value) Osborne is perceived to be panicky in times of crisis and
willing to risk spreading panic to gain political ground. His failure to support the government position on fiscal expansion at the expense of massive
borrowing as Global concensus mounts for this course of action in a time of national and international economic crisis has left Osborne(as of 27 nov 2008)
very insecure in his current job. His close working relationship with David Cameron, however, will likely ensure that he remains a senior Tory for many years to come.

However, George Osborne’s friendship with a “cocaine-snorting dominatrix” the story appears to have taken on a life of its own.
Far from the original subject matter of alleged drug taking and high living, the allegations now are about political spin and calculation and the role of Andy Coulson, the one-time tabloid editor at the centre of the phone hacking scandal.
It was in 1994 that the Chancellor, then just 22, was photographed alongside Miss Rowe, a former madam, who had begun a relationship with one of his Oxford friends.
Sitting on the table in front of them was what she claims was paper that had been used to snort cocaine.
They were, it was said, at a party to celebrate the news that Miss Rowe was pregnant with Mr Sinclair’s child.

There are even Stories that our Gideon got out of paying his own income tax bill?


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Post by Papaumau on Fri May 18, 2012 11:54 am


Thanks for that Stox....

I would think that few people would not believe all of that about "Gideon" Osborne.

Cameron has drawn as many Etonian posh-boy millionaires - like Osborne - to his cabinet as he thinks he can get away with and to me this is the worst kind of indictment that could befall this elitist and privileged cabal in the cabinet. l Have always wondered if Clegg feels comfortable in Cameron's particular "secret society " in the cabinet office ?

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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 18, 2012 7:42 pm

Euro-crisis update:

The 2008 reality-check seems to have cost the British Taxpayer about £10billion, depending upon who's talking. "Losing" £400M on a sale of RBS assets is, in the context, a pretty good deal.

Here, now, in May 2012 it is uncertain whether ANY Bank within the geographical confines of the European continent could actually meet its debts if they were now all to be called-in. The "casino banking" resulted in loans that will never be repaid, and what is required now is another enormous bluff like the one that rescued Germany from the galloping inflation of the Weimar Republic in the aftermath of World War One.

Do we now have the calibre of Politicians capable of challenging reality and convincing people that scraps of paper really do have a value?

(Sorry I asked.)
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Post by tlttf on Sat May 19, 2012 8:52 am

Naturally the Millibands (who manage to buy and sell houses without paying capital gains) are relatively poor being worth a lousy couple of millions.

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Post by Mel on Sat May 19, 2012 9:35 am

tlttf wrote:Naturally the Millibands (who manage to buy and sell houses without paying capital gains) are relatively poor being worth a lousy couple of millions.

Now would you care to offer some proof of that, or did you dream it?
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Post by tlttf on Sat May 19, 2012 9:40 am

Naturally I could do the research for you melly, however if you ask a responsible adult how to use the internet I'm sure you'll find it, however it won't affect your jaundiced view so why bother. Stay well and I hope the operation works.

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Post by Mel on Sat May 19, 2012 9:43 am

Thanks for the reply. I was as expected. Say no more.
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Post by tlttf on Sat May 19, 2012 10:22 am

Mel wrote:Thanks for the reply. I was as expected. Say no more.

As was your reply Mad

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Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 19, 2012 12:30 pm

Tory supporters are usually keen to produce utterances about their Ministers like, "Cream always floats to the top".

But of course there are other things that will also float in a similar manner. As we seem to be experiencing at the moment.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sat May 19, 2012 10:11 pm

Papaumau wrote:
Thanks for that Stox....

I would think that few people would not believe all of that about "Gideon" Osborne.

Cameron has drawn as many Etonian posh-boy millionaires - like Osborne - to his cabinet as he thinks he can get away with and to me this is the worst kind of indictment that could befall this elitist and privileged cabal in the cabinet. l Have always wondered if Clegg feels comfortable in Cameron's particular "secret society " in the cabinet office ?

Regards

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Hiya Papa
Clegg was born in 1967 in Chalfont St Giles in Buckinghamshire. He is the third of four children of Nicholas P. Clegg CBE, the chairman of United Trust Bank,[3] and a former trustee of the Daiwa Anglo-Japanese Foundation (where Ken Clarke was an adviser). On his father's side of the family Clegg is related to Kira von Engelhardt, daughter of a Russian baron of German, Polish and Ukrainian origin, Ignaty Zakrevsky, an attorney general of the Imperial Russian senate, the writer Moura Budberg, and his English grandfather Hugh Anthony Clegg, editor of the British Medical Journal for 35 years.
Clegg's Dutch mother, Hermance van den Wall Bake, was interned, along with her family, by the Japanese military in Batavia (Jakarta) in the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia). She met Clegg's father during a visit to England in 1956, and they married on 1 August 1959.
Clegg is multilingual: he speaks English, Dutch, French, German, and Spanish. His background has informed his politics. He says, "There is simply not a shred of racism in me, as a person whose whole family is formed by flight from persecution, from different people in different generations. It’s what I am. It’s one of the reasons I am a liberal." His Dutch mother instilled in him "a degree of scepticism about the entrenched class configurations in British society".

Clegg was educated at two independent schools: at Caldicott School in Farnham Royal in South Buckinghamshire, where he was joint Head Prefect in 1980, and later at Westminster School in Central London. As a 16-year-old exchange student in Munich, he and a friend drunkenly set fire to what he called "the leading collection of cacti in Germany". When news of the incident was reported during his time as Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, Clegg said he had behaved "appallingly, irresponsibly, criminally" and that he was "not proud" of it He was arrested but not formally charged, but performed a kind of community service.

He spent a gap year working as a skiing instructor in Austria, before going on to Cambridge University in 1986, where he studied Archaeology and Anthropology at Robinson College. He was active in the student theatre at Cambridge, acting alongside Helena Bonham Carter in a play about AIDS under director Sam Mendes.He was also captain of his college's tennis team, and campaigned for the human rights organisation Survival International Clegg spent the summer of 1989 as an office junior in Postipankki bank in Helsinki.

e]]It has been alleged that Clegg joined the Cambridge University Conservative Association between 1986 and 1987[/b]. However Clegg has maintained he has "no recollection of that whatsoever" of joining the association.
After university, he was awarded a scholarship to study for a year at the University of Minnesota, where he wrote a thesis on the political philosophy of the Deep Green movement. He then moved to New York City, where he worked as an intern under Christopher Hitchens at The Nation, a progressive liberal magazine, where he fact checked Hitchens' articles.

Clegg next moved to Brussels, where he worked alongside Guy Spier for six months as a trainee in the G24 co-ordination unit which delivered aid to the countries of the former Soviet Union. After the internship he took a second master's degree at the College of Europe in Bruges, a university for European studies in Belgium, where he met his wife, Miriam González Durántez, a lawyer and the daughter of a Spanish senator.[25] Nick Clegg is an alumnus of the "Mozart Promotion" (1991–92) of the College of Europe. Clegg's wealth is estimated at £1.9 million.

No Papa, I think he is a Tory in all but name. but in the Eye of the likes of Cameron and Gideon he is a poor mans Tory. as School he was a Fag for one of the two of them. if he had had the Guts he would of been a Tory wet.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sat May 19, 2012 10:24 pm

tlttf wrote:Naturally the Millibands (who manage to buy and sell houses without paying capital gains) are relatively poor being worth a lousy couple of millions.

No much of a reply tittf. still its very hard for any current Labour party to pass either Cameron or Whip me Gideon. as when you look at these too.. you are talking about premier League Rich and nasty idiots. just a pair of rich private school boys with no interested in the UK at all, they would sell you rather than look at you. Thank god they're in your party and not in mine. bad luck, as they will destroy everything you think you believe in. as that is their record
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Post by Stox 16 on Sat May 19, 2012 10:35 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Euro-crisis update:

The 2008 reality-check seems to have cost the British Taxpayer about £10billion, depending upon who's talking. "Losing" £400M on a sale of RBS assets is, in the context, a pretty good deal.

Here, now, in May 2012 it is uncertain whether ANY Bank within the geographical confines of the European continent could actually meet its debts if they were now all to be called-in. The "casino banking" resulted in loans that will never be repaid, and what is required now is another enormous bluff like the one that rescued Germany from the galloping inflation of the Weimar Republic in the aftermath of World War One.

Do we now have the calibre of Politicians capable of challenging reality and convincing people that scraps of paper really do have a value?

(Sorry I asked.)

Not in the leadership of this banal Government that is for sure
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Post by Ivan on Sun May 20, 2012 12:50 am

Two extracts from the editorial in ‘The Observer’ today:-

"The economic conditions through which Britain is living reflect a disgraceful abdication of responsibility by a government that has consigned millions of lives to unnecessary and avoidable hardship and great anxiety about their future prospects. It is simply wrong to blame this on the economic tsunami sweeping through Europe. Clearly a break-up of the euro would hit the UK hard and add greatly to the peril we face. But that has not happened yet and might still be avoided. What is clear is that Britain confronts this risk from a position of great weakness in substantial measure because of the economic strategy being pursued by the coalition government, whose leaders shamelessly blame an event that has not occurred for their mistakes. The true problem is that the framework in which economic policy is cast is 100% wrong.

We have seen two years of torched economic forecasts – and this unbalanced, stricken economy has yet to be hit by the bulk of the spending cuts. There is still no serious new framework in which innovative businesses can be built and financed. The Lib Dems are threatened with extinction as a national party, proper reward for complicity in such epic mistakes. The Tories should be no less concerned. Their capacity to exist outside the gilded constituencies of London and the south-east is under threat. In democracies, the neglected can hit back and hit back they will."


For the full article:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/20/observer-editorial-goverments-calamitous-economic-policy?CMP=twt_gu
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun May 20, 2012 3:24 am

Ivan wrote:Two extracts from the editorial in ‘The Observer’ today:-

"The economic conditions through which Britain is living reflect a disgraceful abdication of responsibility by a government that has consigned millions of lives to unnecessary and avoidable hardship and great anxiety about their future prospects. It is simply wrong to blame this on the economic tsunami sweeping through Europe. Clearly a break-up of the euro would hit the UK hard and add greatly to the peril we face. But that has not happened yet and might still be avoided. What is clear is that Britain confronts this risk from a position of great weakness in substantial measure because of the economic strategy being pursued by the coalition government, whose leaders shamelessly blame an event that has not occurred for their mistakes. The true problem is that the framework in which economic policy is cast is 100% wrong.

We have seen two years of torched economic forecasts – and this unbalanced, stricken economy has yet to be hit by the bulk of the spending cuts. There is still no serious new framework in which innovative businesses can be built and financed. The Lib Dems are threatened with extinction as a national party, proper reward for complicity in such epic mistakes. The Tories should be no less concerned. Their capacity to exist outside the gilded constituencies of London and the south-east is under threat. In democracies, the neglected can hit back and hit back they will."


For the full article:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/20/observer-editorial-goverments-calamitous-economic-policy?CMP=twt_gu

In truth Ivan that is a very fair article and could well too be said too even be unstated some what. as there mismanagement of the whole economy is without parallel in the last 100 years. I cannot even think of one UK PM who has set out with the sole intention to distort economic data to his own ends. you can forget any of this so-called Blair spinning stories, as he makes that sound like some silly practical joke. as Cameron and his side kick Mr Whiplash Gideon has surpassed all others by miles.

I find his whole camp David interview about the world economy now needing austerity first before you have growth utterly economic rubbish. as Who in there right minds would start of paying of debt by first killing off your own income? or to sell your car that you need to start your new job so that you cut down your debt? only to then figure out you have no car now too get to your new job. what ever happened to the only business saying.... you need to spend money to make money?

But the best laugh of all at camp David was to hear Cameron lecture other world leaders on the need for a economic fiscal policy. All this from someone who has managed to run the whole UK economy without any economic fiscal growth policy of his own for two whole years or any GDP growth of his own. How does he do this with a straight face? Still I am 100% sure that many Tories will jump to his defence while hiding behind the EU and Euro crisis. but before you do that... I would suggest bear in mind that all economic data by your own governments OBR shows your economic policy was in total bits within the first six months of your party taking power and what's more was before this new Euro crisis.

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Post by Papaumau on Sun May 20, 2012 12:32 pm


As Cameron plays statesman at the Camp David summit and sits around that table lecturing world leaders on how to run their countries, back home his party and government are in the worst state they have ever been in as the latest ComRes poll shows that he is suffering a "double-dip" disaster as his personal ratings plummet while Labour opens up a hefty lead.

This ComRes poll for The Daily Mirror shows Ed Miliband's personal approval ratings are higher than the PM's for the very first time. It also shows that Labour have opened up a nine point lead over the Tories - the biggest in the poll since the coalition took over.

This poll also puts Labour on forty-one percent. Last month the gap was just six percent.

If an election were to be held tomorrow, that would mean Miliband forming a government with a commons majority of 106 seats and the Conservatives would lose at least 98 seats.

The Liberal Democrats would be at one of their poorest showings ever at 11 percent and with only 22 MPs.

I wonder if he thinks that in the period up until the latest election date in 2015 that his fortunes are going to improve, or are they just going to get worse ?




So folks, I guess it is a good time for him to be out of the country so that he does not have to answer awkward questions from the political media.

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Post by Mel on Sun May 20, 2012 5:36 pm

Hello Papa. Con man Cameron cares not as he has another three years to implement further Tory scorched earth upon us. All we can hope for is that somehow the people and the Unions will force a Vote Of No Confidence.
I fear though by that time if it ever comes it will have come too late and the damage will be done.
It is so very plain to see that growth is not the priority here and it is wicked and shameful of these tyrants in government.
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Post by Stox 16 on Sun May 20, 2012 8:42 pm

Papaumau wrote:
As Cameron plays statesman at the Camp David summit and sits around that table lecturing world leaders on how to run their countries, back home his party and government are in the worst state they have ever been in as the latest ComRes poll shows that he is suffering a "double-dip" disaster as his personal ratings plummet while Labour opens up a hefty lead.

This ComRes poll for The Daily Mirror shows Ed Miliband's personal approval ratings are higher than the PM's for the very first time. It also shows that Labour have opened up a nine point lead over the Tories - the biggest in the poll since the coalition took over.

This poll also puts Labour on forty-one percent. Last month the gap was just six percent.

If an election were to be held tomorrow, that would mean Miliband forming a government with a commons majority of 106 seats and the Conservatives would lose at least 98 seats.

The Liberal Democrats would be at one of their poorest showings ever at 11 percent and with only 22 MPs.

I wonder if he thinks that in the period up until the latest election date in 2015 that his fortunes are going to improve, or are they just going to get worse ?




So folks, I guess it is a good time for him to be out of the country so that he does not have to answer awkward questions from the political media.

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Hi Papa/Mel
I would first of all like to thank you both for two most excellent posts and summaries. as the sad fact as an economist is we face a real problems within our economy and what state it will be in after these two untalented morons leave office. However, it may not go down well with everyone on here but Ed Miliband has shown a far greater insight into the UK economic long term needs than any other leader the Labour party has had in the past. as he has taken a self-disciplined approach to his roll as leader of the opposition while not sounding like some opportunist. now lets be very clear about this... it would of been dead easy to of been as opportunistic as both Gideon and Cameron where they had there time in opposition. yet instead Ed has taken the harder road politically than either of them and what's more has taken criticism from within both the media and party that was in unfounded in 90% of the cases. as GE are not won in one hour PMQ but over the long term.

However, all this said and done. you are both very correct in saying the state of the UK economy could be in total meltdown with a great deal of hidden borrowing in the pipeline for many years to come. I would totally agree with you both that this will in fact be the true state of economic play come 2015. in fact I almost believe that some Tories and right wing hawks within this banal government have already written off this Government and are planning to leave us a dysfunctional economy with the plan that the next government will end in a one term administration. however, their is a larger group within the Tory party who will fight hard to win in 2015 and hold power. What is clear to me today is there is a great deal of Tory party infighting going on behind close doors about the state of both the coalition government and there current economic policy. (that's if you can call austerity with a non fiscal growth policy an economic policy in the first place or at all?) as up till now there whole economic policy has been based of selling austerity and cuts while waiting and seeing what will happen. However, The french election and the US economy has been a big game changer. which it is. as it has left all the right wing governments feeling they could and should be voted out of office.

also the right wingers have woken up to the very fact that austerity as a economic policy has become a dirty word for them. That is way Germany has started to say it too does not like this word of austerity but likes to think of it as some other word that is more voter friendly. as if this will somehow fool people again.
So where does all of this leave Ed Miliband and the Labour party today? Well in my view Ed will of by now worked out that the whole economic argument is moving his way and will know that the incoming government will be left a dysfunctional economy with its hidden borrowing debts. if Ed is wise (which he is) he will now be planning with his economic team for this very scenario. I feel fairly shaw that he has a plan in mind and I think he already knows what he needs to do, I could say what I believe it is. but will not say so. due to the fact Tories will jump on this and re-write it and use it. I am not writing anything that they could use. as I what shot of this government and old hat Tory party for good this time. with no re-turn to power for the Tory party ever. but let me just say this too you... there is an economic plan that can and will work and get us some economic growth. as for the national debt, well lets be very clear about this too. We have had a far greater national debt after WW2 and slowly chipped away at it. there is just no great economic necessity to pay this all off within five years or even 10 years for that matter. no matter what the right wing say. but yes... we must pay it off, but inline with our GDP Growth and not by destroying and ruining half the UK economy while we do it. So it will need to be a planned economy that takes most of the UK people with you.


In truth to you both we must re-balance our economy and move away from Maggot Thatchers un-balancing of our economy as fast as we can. as it was her economic experiment that lead us to the direct world banking crisis we face today. as today you're seeing how economies have filed when you base your whole economic policy in just one sector of the economy. if the left today have learnt anything from this its never leave economic policy in the hands of right wing nutters as this is what happens when you do.



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Post by oftenwrong on Sun May 20, 2012 10:29 pm

If you think Cameron and Osborne are dangerous, inform yourself about The Beecroft Report, that wants Employers to be free to hire-and-fire without penalty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18136227



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Post by Stox 16 on Mon May 21, 2012 12:08 am

oftenwrong wrote:If you think Cameron and Osborne are dangerous, inform yourself about The Beecroft Report, that wants Employers to be free to hire-and-fire without penalty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18136227




yes I have read it Oftenwrong and what's more there is no economic Data that really shows this too work
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Post by Papaumau on Mon May 21, 2012 1:18 pm


Yes Stox... all very true !

Your comment that Angela Merkel might find a better word for "austerity" made me smile as as I have a few words of that language myself I feel that "Einfachheit" is probably a better word to use. Shocked Smile

All around Europe and even in Germany we are seeing the rising up of the people who are saying that this "austerity" drive - that is seen by many as the panacea for all ills - is now just an excuse to rip more money out of the pockets of the beleaguered ordinary tax-payers of every one of the countries in the EU, including Britain.

It has also now been well-recognised that it does not stimulate growth or help unemployment and if this technique is to continue to be used it has to be severely modified to both pay back government debts without destroying the fabric of European and British society as it goes along and still maintain growth in the process.

We have been soaked for enough of our limited resources and it is about time that the ones that caused this problem were asked to fix it with their well-hidden money.

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Post by Mel on Wed May 23, 2012 7:45 am

I see now the Tories are inceasing tha toll charges for the Dartford Crossing from £150 to £2.00 with a further 50p in 2014. They say the extra cash will go to building another crossing. Pha!!!!! they must think we are really stupid as this is nothing more than preparing the crossing for privatisation.
I can imagine these front bench millionairs sitting in number 10 scheming together to find false excuses to implement everything and anything Nationalised to become privatised. More profit for the boys, with their own snouts in taking shares no doubt.
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Post by astra on Wed May 23, 2012 9:58 am

Yes Mel
They did that with the Tyne Tunnel!!

TT2 as they call it now, was built and is now owned and managed by a FRENCH company!

This tunnel back in the 70s was constructed with rate payers moneys ffrom the 5 councils of Tyne and Wear!

Do we get anything back??

OH NO NO NO!
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Post by Papaumau on Wed May 23, 2012 11:06 am



Not wishing to be acting - "in your face" - but the SNP government in my beloved Scotland have banned ALL toll roads and bridges up here as they were seen as a negative to encouraging tourists to come to this country.

In fact SNP Scotland has given the lead in many good government actions that the London government have usually copied soon afterwards.

The first and best one was the complete destruction of the Tories in Scotland, followed closely behind with the complete destruction of the traitorous Liberal Democrats.

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 23, 2012 5:17 pm

Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Does he really care whether or not the Plebs believe anything he says?

Let them eat cake.
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oftenwrong wrote:Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Does he really care whether or not the Plebs believe anything he says?

Let them eat cake.

Yes Oftenwrong,

I think he DOES care whether "the plebs believe anything he says" as he knows that as his opinion starts to slide, that slide can only end in him and the rest of his coalition pals getting booted out ignominiously.

I think we can be certain-sure that Cameron, Clegg and Osborne will be well aware of the results of that poll.

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 31, 2012 8:09 pm

Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Assuming he's not stupid, he will be very uncomfortably aware that many of his Budget proposals have just been shot out of the water, and that the World has moved on since Chancellors Lamont and Lawson confirmed the depths of their ignorance to us, even though their ideas remain lodged inside the Gideon brain, quietly festering.
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Post by Mel on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:12 am

Papa: Quote "I think we can be certain-sure that Cameron, Clegg and Osborne will be well aware of the results of that poll.

I am certain that all three do not care a jot about what people think about their actions/policies, lies etc. The are on the fast track to demolish NL's achievements that helped the masses and not those that helped their own wealthy kind. All measures taken knowing full well that they will be virtually irriversible in the future. I believe they feel losing the next election is a price worth paying.



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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:50 am

oftenwrong wrote:Who does Gideon Osborne think he is kidding?

Assuming he's not stupid, he will be very uncomfortably aware that many of his Budget proposals have just been shot out of the water, and that the World has moved on since Chancellors Lamont and Lawson confirmed the depths of their ignorance to us, even though their ideas remain lodged inside the Gideon brain, quietly festering.

I do wish they would make up their minds. My Political Sat/Nav has only just got me round the second (pasty) U turn and I've still got the (Charity) U turn to negotiate. Smile
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Post by Papaumau on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:12 pm


Yes, all these U-turns are making this administration look incompetent and indecisive as even although Cameron might be saying that they are just trying to be a "listening government" ( as an excuse for this incompetence ), he must know that if he was truly the leader of a "listening government" many of these aborted policies might not have been introduced in the first place.

Sadly, it is true that - as has already been said - after many of these policies have been put in place repealling them will be very difficult and expensive afterwards.

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Post by Mel on Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:51 pm

What's all this jumping up and down with glee by the media and Osborne that inflation has reduced? They claim it's down to petrol price reduction, with taxi drivers rubbing their hands with pleasure.
Surely the drop in petrol prices is due to the competition from the big supermarkets. All that has happened is prices have returned to prior strike threat period.
We then are told that "food prices have dropped", I havn't noticed, have you?
The reason is clear that inflation has reduced, people are not spending, because they are fearful or just do not have the money.
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Post by tlttf on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:18 pm

Inflation dropping, unemployment dropping, employment by the private sector, both full and part-time rising.

Like most I'm sceptical about the end results, yet given that we have a weak coalition, somehow we are heading in the right direction.

Mustn't forget I'm getting more euro's per £ together in time for my holiday in Skiathos, roll on September!!

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