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Well done, Labour! Will these results see the start of Tory in-fighting?

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Post by Stox 16 on Fri May 04, 2012 3:47 am

Well done Ed and all the labour Party. welcome home to our new Councils.

Hi Ivan, can we please keep this as a new topic on its own? as its interesting to get as many views on this as we can? as this is a water mark election in my view.

Now the Lib/Dem have lost about 40% the seats they are fighting with the Tories lossing 1 in 3 seats with turnout at around 33% and given the weather is not so Bad. as overall its been an amazing night for the Labour party.. so forgetting the Ken and Doris vote as that has become more personal than anything else. will tonight's results see an out brake of Tory infighting? where does this leave the coalition government at this point? as what is very interesting and pleasing for me is the coalition government is bleeding votes in its Southern heart land with Labour picking up votes in this Tory heart land tonight. The share of the vote in the english county election without the London and Scotland. so far share of the vote is as follows. Labour 39% Tory 31% Lib Dem 16% Others 14%, this is 13% up on the last time these seat where up for election with the Lib Dems dipping under 3,000 councillors for the first time in the History of there party.

Other fact that has become very clear tonight is the days of parties getting shares of the vote like Tony Blair had in 1997 are over. As for the very first time its very clear that the Right wing vote is now split. this was not the case in 1997, so Government's could find themselves elected with shares of the vote in just the night 30% mark and winning power.

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SO WHAT IS YOUR READING OF THIS LOCAL ELECTION RESULT SO FAR?

ITS THIS A GAME CHANGING VOTE? I THINK IT IS JUST THAT?

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Re: Well done, Labour! Will these results see the start of Tory in-fighting?

Post by Redflag on Fri May 04, 2012 10:05 am

Stox 16 wrote: Well done Ed and all the labour Party. welcome home to our new Councils.

Hi Ivan, can we please keep this as a new topic on its own? as its interesting to get as many views on this as we can? as this is a water mark election in my view.

Now the Lib/Dem have lost about 40% the seats they are fighting with the Tories lossing 1 in 3 seats with turnout at around 33% and given the weather is not so Bad. as overall its been an amazing night for the Labour party.. so forgetting the Ken and Doris vote as that has become more personal than anything else. will tonight's results see an out brake of Tory infighting? where does this leave the coalition government at this point? as what is very interesting and pleasing for me is the coalition government is bleeding votes in its Southern heart land with Labour picking up votes in this Tory heart land tonight. The share of the vote in the english county election without the London and Scotland. so far share of the vote is as follows. Labour 39% Tory 31% Lib Dem 16% Others 14%, this is 13% up on the last time these seat where up for election with the Lib Dems dipping under 3,000 councillors for the first time in the History of there party.

Other fact that has become very clear tonight is the days of parties getting shares of the vote like Tony Blair had in 1997 are over. As for the very first time its very clear that the Right wing vote is now split. this was not the case in 1997, so Government's could find themselves elected with shares of the vote in just the night 30% mark and winning power.

Norwich Council
Harlow Council
Norwich Council
Oxford Council
Reading Council
Great Yarmouth Council
Southampton Council
Ipswich Council
Derby Council
Exeter Council
Newport Council
Merthyr Council
Lincoln Council
Birmingham Council
Plymouth Council


SO WHAT IS YOUR READING OF THIS LOCAL ELECTION RESULT SO FAR?

ITS THIS A GAME CHANGING VOTE? I THINK IT IS JUST THAT?

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FANTASTIC NIGHT FOR LABOUR COUNCILLORS AND ALL THOSE THAT HELPED I think the party done well and think this is the beginning of the end for the Tories and L/Ds but we can not be complacent, there is still work to do and I promise to do what I can to help the Labour party improve to make make it a party that Ed Miliband wants it to be which it is the best with the help of Labour members and of course not forgetting the Labour voters. Carry on Ed your finding the right path for OUR Labour party and thank you for all your hard work not forgetting your MPs that done there share of the hard work.
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Post by sickchip on Fri May 04, 2012 10:18 am

turnout at around 33% and given the weather is not so Bad - really!!??

Anyway...

I wonder if the Lib-Dems will continue following their leader, the pied piper Nick Clegg, off the cliff and crashing to their collective death; or whether they'll now have the sense to put an end to the coalition before it puts an end to their, at present, inappropriately named liberal democrat party?
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Post by witchfinder on Fri May 04, 2012 11:28 am

Not yet lunchtime yet and already some interesting snippets of news, like for example former Lib Dem MP Lembit Opik calling for Nick Clegg to resign, and various Conservatives claiming that the government is "not Conservative enough".

Poor old David Cameron has enemies within, in front of him, behind him and to his left and right, with UKIP now a real threat from the right and the future of the coalition been a threat from the left, he realy has little room for manoeuvre, he is been attacked and criticised from all angles.

What happens next ?

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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri May 04, 2012 11:43 am

Witchfinder quote What happens next ?


'BOOM'. General Election anyone? Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaaase.

Just a little bit of realism. In some areas less than 20% of the voters turned out. APATHY reigns supreme. Or in some areas should that read - Apathy rained supreme.Crying or Very sad

Listening to some comments on the radio Ed. still has a long way to go to convince people, but he's getting there.
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Post by witchfinder on Fri May 04, 2012 11:58 am

Very odd [ 11:53 am ] It appears that Labour are out in front in the London Assembly votes, yet Boris is on target to be re-elected as mayor, it seems that Londoners like Boris but not the party he represents.

Also, as of this moment in time the Greens are in third place with the Lib Dems been pushed into fourth, but I suppose that could change as the day wares on.

UPDATE 12 Noon - According to London elects website the Lib Dems are actualy in 5th place in the mayoral ist preference votes, if this remains the case then this is a total humiliation for the Liberal Democrats.

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Post by Redflag on Fri May 04, 2012 12:03 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:Witchfinder quote What happens next ?


'BOOM'. General Election anyone? Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaaase.

Just a little bit of realism. In some areas less than 20% of the voters turned out. APATHY reigns supreme. Or in some areas should that read - Apathy rained supreme.Crying or Very sad

Listening to some comments on the radio Ed. still has a long way to go to convince people, but he's getting there.

But you have to admit trevor2539 he is on the right path, all the work has not been done but last nights gains will spur people on to get it right for 2015, and watch the Annihilation of the L/Ds and Scam..er..on get a right dubbing and Im sorry but I am Laughing at there down fall and I know that is not nice but if the results where reversed they would be laughing up there sleeves at Labour.LOL LOL
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Re: Well done, Labour! Will these results see the start of Tory in-fighting?

Post by sickchip on Fri May 04, 2012 12:45 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:

Just a little bit of realism. In some areas less than 20% of the voters turned out. APATHY reigns supreme. Or in some areas should that read - Apathy rained supreme.

....not just apathy - but a healthy dose of disillusionment with the whole sorry bunch of 'em.

Ardent labour supporters shouldn't celebrate too much - this was less a vote FOR labour and their policies (?), and more an expression of displeasure with the coalition.


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Post by blueturando on Fri May 04, 2012 12:45 pm

Well done Labour, a good night for you. Not unexpected, but well done anyway Smile

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Post by Ivan on Fri May 04, 2012 1:19 pm

Ardent labour supporters shouldn't celebrate too much - this was less a vote FOR labour and their policies (?), and more an expression of displeasure with the coalition.
sickchip. Isn’t it true in any election that while some people are voting for a party they like, others are voting against the one (or in this case, ones) they most dislike?

The turnout was the poorest in twelve years, which can partly be explained by poor weather, but mainly was a form of abstention. A lot of Tories didn’t bother to vote in 1997, and a lot of Labour supporters didn’t turn out in 2010.

Even though the media might not pay much attention to them, and even though the party can’t foresee what will be relevant in 2015, Labour does have policies:-
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Three other thoughts about elections:-

1. Provisional estimates for yesterday's council elections suggest Labour won 39%, the Tories 31% and the Lib Dems 16%. Even on the new gerrymandered constituency boundaries, the UK Polling Report swingometer predicts that those figures would result in an overall Labour majority of 72:-
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2. No party in government has increased its percentage of the vote in the subsequent election since 1974, and that was only because there were two elections in one year. The Tories only won 36% in 2010, and history suggests that figure will fall next time.

3. The Tories haven’t managed to win a general election for 20 years.

I think there’s plenty to celebrate, and I appreciate blueturando’s gracious acknowledgement that this was a good result for Labour.
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Post by sickchip on Fri May 04, 2012 1:32 pm

Ivan,

All I'm saying is Labour shouldn't get smug and complacent about these results. They should see it as a springboard to really start going for the tory jugular; and pressure the lib-dems over their position not just in the coalition, but in british politics.
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Post by Redflag on Fri May 04, 2012 1:50 pm

blueturando wrote:Well done Labour, a good night for you. Not unexpected, but well done anyway Smile

Thank you blue for your congrats you have been more gracious than some, and I for one appreciate it.
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Post by Mel on Fri May 04, 2012 2:10 pm

I have no time for these supposed dissillusioned political fence sitters, who just moan and know not where to put their cross. Whilst they are dithering with apathy, the damage is being done by a government with knowingly no hope of being elected again. They are simply railroading Tory ideology down our undefended throats (tied up for 5yrs), with no compassion nor careful thought other than do it all as fast as possible before getting booted out of office.

IMO the Tories and Camer-con and Gideon in particular were never really confident of being re-elected after 5yrs, therefore they make Tory hay while the sun shines in a swift and vicious manner.

Why, is my question are some people stupid enough to either abstain from voting, or decide to vote for an outside party that has no chance of being elected? A wasted vote when the only choice is an obvious one to keep the existing total destroyers out at all costs.

I have more regard for Tory voters even though I detest their party than I do for those short sighted moaning lot who are apparently "disillusioned with the whole sorry bunch of em".

Perfection in any political party will never exist, therefore make the most of the best of the bunch and do something rather than waste your vote, or worse still don't bother to vote at all. Will you ever learn? I doubt it.
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Post by sickchip on Fri May 04, 2012 2:28 pm

Mel,

Do you think voting should be made compulsory by law?
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Post by blueturando on Fri May 04, 2012 3:08 pm

I have more regard for Tory voters even though I detest their party than I do for those short sighted moaning lot who are apparently "disillusioned with the whole sorry bunch of em".

Mel....For some people (a growing number) none of the major parties represents their political views, ideologies or desires. As the big 3 huddle ever closer together in the middle ground, the gaps either side are widening and they will be filled up in time by what are currently 'fringe' parties both on the left and right.

The simple fact is that neither the Tories, Labour or the Lib Dems in their current formats appeal to these disillusioned people....Why vote for a party you don't believe in?

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Post by witchfinder on Fri May 04, 2012 3:09 pm

Heres an interesting one :

The Lib Dem candidate at the Salford mayoral election "Norman Owen" has lost his deposit and blamed Nick Clegg and coalition policies.
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Post by tlttf on Fri May 04, 2012 5:01 pm

Labour did as good as they expected for a midterm kick in the teeth at anu government in power. Be real most voters just didn't give a toss. The one good thing about it all was the amount of independents that gained a council seat. Boris is still on for London though.

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Post by sickchip on Fri May 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Boris is still on for London though.

Shame! I always thought he was better when he was an oafish tv celebrity doing the rounds on silly quiz shows........it somehow suited the buffoon more than having a proper job.
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Post by tlttf on Fri May 04, 2012 5:31 pm

Maybe he's a multi tasker sicky Very Happy

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Post by Redflag on Fri May 04, 2012 8:57 pm

witchfinder wrote:Heres an interesting one :

The Lib Dem candidate at the Salford mayoral election "Norman Owen" has lost his deposit and blamed Nick Clegg and coalition policies.

There will be quite a few of them WF, lempic opik has said that Clegg should resign as leader of the L/Ds.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri May 04, 2012 11:09 pm

witchfinder wrote:Heres an interesting one :

The Lib Dem candidate at the Salford mayoral election "Norman Owen" has lost his deposit and blamed Nick Clegg and coalition policies.

And a Tory MP in North Lincs. has told D.C. that he has to get back to Conservative values and policies.

Things like Law and Order etc. Funny, he didn't mention the economy.
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Post by Red Cat Woman on Sat May 05, 2012 1:47 am

witchfinder wrote:Not yet lunchtime yet and already some interesting snippets of news, like for example former Lib Dem MP Lembit Opik calling for Nick Clegg to resign, and various Conservatives claiming that the government is "not Conservative enough".

Poor old David Cameron has enemies within, in front of him, behind him and to his left and right, with UKIP now a real threat from the right and the future of the coalition been a threat from the left, he realy has little room for manoeuvre, he is been attacked and criticised from all angles.

What happens next ?


Its dead interesting witchy. I got a feeling that tonight's win for Doris with just 3% over Ken is a very big problem for Cameroon? as this must act as red rag to a ball for him. as unhappy Tories will turn to Doris. as he won while Cameroon has not. i have to say I can see the old Tory knives come out soon witchy
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Post by Red Cat Woman on Sat May 05, 2012 2:07 am

Ivan wrote:
Ardent labour supporters shouldn't celebrate too much - this was less a vote FOR labour and their policies (?), and more an expression of displeasure with the coalition.
sickchip. Isn’t it true in any election that while some people are voting for a party they like, others are voting against the one (or in this case, ones) they most dislike?

The turnout was the poorest in twelve years, which can partly be explained by poor weather, but mainly was a form of abstention. A lot of Tories didn’t bother to vote in 1997, and a lot of Labour supporters didn’t turn out in 2010.

Even though the media might not pay much attention to them, and even though the party can’t foresee what will be relevant in 2015, Labour does have policies:-
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Three other thoughts about elections:-

1. Provisional estimates for yesterday's council elections suggest Labour won 39%, the Tories 31% and the Lib Dems 16%. Even on the new gerrymandered constituency boundaries, the UK Polling Report swingometer predicts that those figures would result in an overall Labour majority of 72:-
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2. No party in government has increased its percentage of the vote in the subsequent election since 1974, and that was only because there were two elections in one year. The Tories only won 36% in 2010, and history suggests that figure will fall next time.

3. The Tories haven’t managed to win a general election for 20 years.

I think there’s plenty to celebrate, and I appreciate blueturando’s gracious acknowledgement that this was a good result for Labour.

I think you right Ivan. as there are two interesting things to come out of this for me. 1st in 1997 there just was now others polling 14% of the vote was there. so some of these votes are Tory voters hiding behind UKIP i think. plus on the same point some of the Greens will have been voted Labour voters? yes you agree?

2nd, This vote sure Labour pick up votes in key seats such as Southampton and Reading. seats we have to win back to win in 2015

But for me, there is no real figures to show that a low turnout favours anyone party at the expense of the other. would you agree with this Ivan?

what is dead clear that reading over the posts Ed was under attack as being the wrong leader. Well I think we can put this arguement to bed at last. but yes there is a long way to go. but what a great stepping stone this election has turned out to be.

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Post by Red Cat Woman on Sat May 05, 2012 2:20 am

blueturando wrote:Well done Labour, a good night for you. Not unexpected, but well done anyway Smile

Thank for posting that Blue. that shows great humility on your part Blue. maybe a good lesson that Cameron should follow. also hats of too your man Doris beating our Ken in what was a very close fight. only 3% between them in the end. But well done to your man.

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Post by witchfinder on Sat May 05, 2012 8:40 am

Is Boris a Heathite ?

Is it me or is Boris what you might describe as "light blue", some might say not committed enough to the Conservative cause, one of the old fashioned Conservatives like Macmillan and Edward Heath.

He often clashes with people in his own party on issues such as immigration, gay equality and social issues, perhaps there are still a few Conservatives out there with a spark of decency.

Or am I just dreaming ?
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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 10:04 am

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Yes I do and why not?
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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 10:21 am

blue Quote "Why vote for a party you don't believe in?"

Why vote for a party that has no chance of winning an election?

There are as you say a growing number (at present) who are dissilusioned with the three main parties. However their votes for the fringe parties will do nothing to remedy the current situation, which is what is required NOW not in half a century, which is how long it might take for one of the fringe parties to make any kind of impact.
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Post by tlttf on Sat May 05, 2012 11:17 am

That's how a slow burning change happens melly, notice that more independents gained seats than at any other time. Also not that the majority simply couldn't be arsed one way or the other.

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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Indeed as you say "slow. It is a racing certainty that The Independants and any other fringe party will not be anywhere near making it in your lifetime so why bother?

Don't bank on those who "couldn't be arsed" voting Tory or Independant for that matter at the next election then. That leaves Labour in an even stronger position. Soon the LD's will bring the government down. Once Clegg has been ousted there will be no alternative for them but to offer a vote of no confidence.
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Post by Redflag on Sat May 05, 2012 6:04 pm

Mel wrote:Indeed as you say "slow. It is a racing certainty that The Independants and any other fringe party will not be anywhere near making it in your lifetime so why bother?

Don't bank on those who "couldn't be arsed" voting Tory or Independant for that matter at the next election then. That leaves Labour in an even stronger position. Soon the LD's will bring the government down. Once Clegg has been ousted there will be no alternative for them but to offer a vote of no confidence.

It looks like the L/D MPs will be sick as parrots come next week when there back in the H.O.C, there will be a lot of snide remarks about the drubbing they took on Thursday i suppose they will come from Tories and the Labour benches, so I hope your right Mel I will enjoy watching the in fighting and the Tories taking pot shots at the L/Ds.
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Post by bobby on Sat May 05, 2012 8:42 pm

I think that part of the reason for a low turn out for Tory supporters was that, like blueturando they now realise they were totaly taken in by a pack of lies over Tory policies. but these Tories couldnt bring themselves to vote for anyone else, so simply stayed at home. Then no matter what the result, they can say in true Tory fashion, It wasn't my fault.
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Post by Adele Carlyon on Sat May 05, 2012 8:45 pm

Are any of you worried about the tories doing what their disgruntled voters want, and lurching even further to the right? Coz I sure as hell am! If all these cuts start to go further I'll probably end up on the streets!
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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 8:48 pm

Red Quote "I hope your right Mel "

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Post by bobby on Sat May 05, 2012 8:48 pm

Redflag said. It looks like the L/D MPs will be sick as parrots come next week when there back in the H.O.C, there will be a lot of snide remarks about the drubbing they took on Thursday i suppose they will come from Tories and the Labour benches, so I hope your right Mel I will enjoy watching the in fighting and the Tories taking pot shots at the L/Ds.

I very much doubt we will see much infighting, as if there is any it will be behind locked doors. The Lib-Dems will probably keep their lieing gobs shut, knowing they are now in limbo and have only one way to go, that leaves them little scope for movement, they either do the honorable thing a bring this foul Coalition down now, or as I think, they will hang on for as long as they possibly can, knowing there is nothing for them after the next General Election
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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 8:57 pm

Adele, you can bet your sweet life the tyrants will carry on with their evil unfair methods. As I have said so many times they knew they would only have one term in office, that's why they made it a 5yr fixed term.

God help us all if we have to put up with them for another 2/3 yrs. Pehaps the LD's for their own skins which are so thin at the moment, they might just pull the Tories down. They now know that public opinion would look upon them favourably if they did so. Clegg is the fly in the ointment i'm afraid.
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Post by Mel on Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Good evening bobby. I see your Chelsea won the FA cup today. Two good days eh friend?
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Post by bobby on Sat May 05, 2012 10:13 pm

Hello Mel. Yes thank you very much my friend, only now I have to wait, firstly two more weeks for Chelsea to do it again, but three long years to get rid of the Tory and Lib-Dem Bastards.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Sat May 05, 2012 11:33 pm

bobby wrote:Hello Mel. Yes thank you very much my friend, only now I have to wait, firstly two more weeks for Chelsea to do it again, but three long years to get rid of the Tory and Lib-Dem Bastards.

********************************** Chelsea. Mad Wink
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Post by bobby on Sun May 06, 2012 12:24 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Yup Chelsea, Your not Liverfool by any chance Trev:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Post by Redflag on Sun May 06, 2012 7:15 pm

Adele Carlyon wrote:Are any of you worried about the tories doing what their disgruntled voters want, and lurching even further to the right? Coz I sure as hell am! If all these cuts start to go further I'll probably end up on the streets!

If they do go more to the right they will be writing their own suicide note, what we are getting right now is more than enough of the right wingers Adele do you really think the people of the UK would put up with any more Austerity?
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