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Post by tlttf on Wed May 09, 2012 8:06 am

If the following policies were brought in, would you vote for it. Personally being right of centre I think it would push the country in the right direction. It's from an alternative to the Queens speech.




Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by sickchip on Wed May 09, 2012 9:42 am

land

Apart from perhaps fuel duty, you appear to be blaming ordinary, and poor, people for our economic plight and social ills.

Are banks, corporations, low wages, high rents, inflated property prices, lack of affordable housing, tax loopholes for the rich, government throwing money we can't afford at vanity projects (high speed rail, olympics, etc), etc blameless?

When millions of working people are paid so little that they need it topped up with tax credits, housing benefit, etc just to survive - don't you think it's time they withdrew their labour and went on strike.

Oh! Before I forget.....reduce wage differentials NOW!
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Mel on Wed May 09, 2012 10:41 am

More important and interesting would be stats showing the percentage of people who think this government stinks.

Of course one can come up with all kinds of statistics depending upon who did the survey, in which area it was carried out and how many were intervieved. All worth very little IMO and those mentioned by tlttf could not be addressed whilst we have to adhere to EU ruling and Human Rights.

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by witchfinder on Wed May 09, 2012 11:27 am

The deep blue Conservatives, or the right wing of the party will trumpet their popular policies, but its the bits they dont tell you about that we need to worry about.

For example, there are many within the ranks of the Conservative right who do not believe that the NHS should be largely free from cuts, indeed many do not believe in the principle of the NHS at all.

Most MPs on the right of the party would go much much further in slashing welfare, the minimum wage would be under threat, the few employee minimum rights which remain would also come under threat, as would free bus travel for pensioners and the winter fuel allowance.

The basic core principle, or number 1 rule of pure Conservatism is that everything has a price, and if you do not have what it costs, then you cannot have it, and if you are poor, unwaged, sick or disabled, then its just bloody well hard luck old chap, you do without.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Mel on Wed May 09, 2012 12:54 pm

"The basic core principle, or number 1 rule of pure Conservatism is that everything has a price, and if you do not have what it costs, then you cannot have it, and if you are poor, unwaged, sick or disabled, then its just bloody well hard luck old chap, you do without."

TRUE TRUE TRUE, EXACTLY RIGHT 100% NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN STONE.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Redflag on Wed May 09, 2012 3:35 pm

Mel wrote:"The basic core principle, or number 1 rule of pure Conservatism is that everything has a price, and if you do not have what it costs, then you cannot have it, and if you are poor, unwaged, sick or disabled, then its just bloody well hard luck old chap, you do without."

TRUE TRUE TRUE, EXACTLY RIGHT 100% NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN STONE.

I would not worry Mel you know what happens to stone when left to the Elements of Weather, IT TURNS TO SAND.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Mel on Wed May 09, 2012 4:55 pm

I hope the bronze proposed statue of the Witch gets struck by lightning, following all the rotten eggs thrown at it have covered the cow.

My huge Union Jack is getting dusty in the shed awaiting the bitches departure to hell. bounce
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 09, 2012 5:45 pm

What we didn't vote for two years ago, but got anyway, was a relaxation of the opportunities for Foreign Big Business to rip off the Nation's economy.
All current Tory proposed legislation is working forward to fewer restrictions on Hiring-and-firing, on workplace safety, and liability for corporation tax.

Clinton Cards has gone into administration.
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Big Deal you think! Who cares about a birthday-card shop anyway? (Apart from a few thousand employees).
Well this is the way things have been going, and are set to continue. Private Equity Hedge-funds buy the debts of active companies and then force them into liquidation for the benefit, in this case, of an American Competitor.

Capitalism red in tooth and claw.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by blueturando on Thu May 10, 2012 3:18 pm

tlttf.......I would vote for all those policies....seems like common sense to me, but many on here don't like common sense policies, so good luck with that.

"The basic core principle, or number 1 rule of pure Conservatism is that everything has a price, and if you do not have what it costs, then you cannot have it, and if you are poor, unwaged, sick or disabled, then its just bloody well hard luck old chap, you do without."

TRUE TRUE TRUE, EXACTLY RIGHT 100% NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN STONE.
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Mel...Tell me something that doesn't have a price that will help the unwaged, sick or disabled

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by bobby on Thu May 10, 2012 4:02 pm

blueturando said: Mel...Tell me something that doesn't have a price that will help the unwaged, sick or disabled

You are right, everything does have a price, The problem is its the wrong people having to foot the bill in Conservative Britain, those with making out of those without.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Mel on Thu May 10, 2012 5:07 pm

blue wrote "Mel...Tell me something that doesn't have a price that will help the unwaged, sick or disabled"

Well privatision of the NHS will certainly not help their cause. In fact privatisation period, does nothing for anyone except the bosses and the shareholders.
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Post by Redflag on Thu May 10, 2012 5:29 pm

Mel wrote: blue wrote "Mel...Tell me something that doesn't have a price that will help the unwaged, sick or disabled"

Well privatision of the NHS will certainly not help their cause. In fact privatisation period, does nothing for anyone except the bosses and the shareholders.

Davy boy must have a load of favours for all those private health companies donating money into the Tory funds this is there pay back if they think its going to make money for them WRONG people do not have the money to pay for private health or private health Insurance.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by tlttf on Thu May 10, 2012 5:38 pm

Lovely answers duh?

The question being "would you vote for this", we appear to have slipped from the original post, or maybe that's me.

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 10, 2012 5:48 pm

Sorry. The answer was "No, thank you."
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by tlttf on Thu May 10, 2012 6:18 pm

There OW, not too difficult was it, thanks for the honesty, though I can't understand why options are faulty?

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 10, 2012 7:14 pm

The best piece of advice I have ever received, after complaining about not having enough to live on, was

"Examine the alternatives."

If the alternatives are all worse, carry on as before.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by blueturando on Fri May 11, 2012 1:24 am

Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).

Can anyone give me a legitimate reason on why any one or all of these policies would NOT be a good idea?

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Redflag on Fri May 11, 2012 10:17 am

tlttf wrote:If the following policies were brought in, would you vote for it. Personally being right of centre I think it would push the country in the right direction. It's from an alternative to the Queens speech.




Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).

Straight forward NO.


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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by bobby on Fri May 11, 2012 1:09 pm

Blue because its all hypethetical, unless you know different? And as for it being an alternative to the queens speech, then who's alternative are they.

I expect we will be told they are either Tory or Ukips ideas, but an idea aint a policy.

I do have a serious problem with the last point. If people want to have a 50% against vote, they should turn up at the meetings and vote. If 50% + is the target for strike action then it follows we should have the same for a General Election, and the only way that might happen is to make voting compulsory.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by tlttf on Fri May 11, 2012 3:50 pm

Hiya bobby, of course they're hypothetical, that doesn't make them bad ideas. I agree totally about the 50% and also think voting should be compulsory, but hey that's just me.

Redflag a straight forward no, great, but what there goes against your idea of fairness for all?

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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 11, 2012 7:28 pm

tlttf wrote:If the following policies were brought in, would you vote for it. Personally being right of centre I think it would push the country in the right direction. It's from an alternative to the Queens speech.




Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
This would achieve the following result .............
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
The shortfall in Government Revenue would be met from ....
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
The cost of collection and enforcement would be .... £
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
Would reduce re-offending by ....%
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Scottish ditto. Welsh ditto. Ulster ditto. total extra cost £....
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Voter turnout would be ....%
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).
and if strike ballots then also all other ballots, to avoid discimination.
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by sampbang on Tue May 15, 2012 6:33 pm

No, wouldn't vote for any apart from the fuel duty. They are not relevant to the uncertainties we face.

What is missing is a levy or more tax on the banks.

77% of the deficit the government is reducing is being clawed back by public spending cuts, 27% by tax hikes, of the tax hikes 50% of this is the VAT hike which affects the normal person more. No real tax hikes or levy's have been introduced which would make the people who caused it pay, also there needed to be something about businesses releasing money, as at the moment masses of businesses and banks are holding money, which is making the current economic climate even worse.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue May 15, 2012 7:44 pm

The newly-elected President of France intends to have a top rate of tax of 75%.

How is Mr. Osborne likely to enjoin the entente cordiale?
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by blueturando on Wed May 16, 2012 3:04 pm

The newly-elected President of France intends to have a top rate of tax of 75%

Excellent!!! Maybe the UK can benefit from the wealthy people who will be leaving France in their droves

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Post by sampbang on Wed May 16, 2012 3:32 pm

blueturando wrote:

Excellent!!! Maybe the UK can benefit from the wealthy people who will be leaving France in their droves

Doubtful, they'll come over here, then funnel their money to offshore accounts, as we are a haven for these sorts of people. Something this government seems inept to do anything about. Or probably more to do with the fact they don't want to upset their friends who bleed this economy dry.
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Post by blueturando on Wed May 16, 2012 4:16 pm

It's a simple issue really......If a government decides to tax people too highly, then the ones that can afford to, will move somewhere else. Bankers aside...why should they get punished for governments over spending time and time again?

If Governments finally dealt with the huge amount of financial waste, then they wouldn't have to tax so highly. Political parties should be held responsible if they do not cut waste when in government and then banned from holding office for a decade or so...that may make them less blasé with OUR money

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Post by sampbang on Wed May 16, 2012 5:07 pm

But people who make lots of money should have to pay their share, in hard times, which is common knowledge that they don't. The current economic climate, not caused by the general public, but caused by very few at the top, yet the public are the ones paying with the rich getting away scot free. The problems we are facing are not due to over spending by governments, but shocking risk taking by bankers and big business.

As Cameron first said, in one of his most patronising comments, were all in this together. How can that be when Gideon even admitted that the wealthiest 200 pay little or no income tax. If the £90-£120bn a year that is moved around to escape tax went into the public coffers, how much different would things be.

So I'm with Hollande, tax the wealthiest, they caused the mess, they need to pay their fair share in getting us out of this mess, which at the moment they don't.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 16, 2012 5:34 pm

By definition, the wealthiest people are not going to be numerous, and like members of any other exclusive Club, they have their own way of going about their business, which is kept within the charmed circle. Newspaper reporters chip away at the facade, and mention various names from time-to-time, but rarely revealing anything actionable. Every Country in the world has its version of The Companies Act, which allows Directors to walk away from Company debts, and sidestep Company tax liabilities.

Successive Socialist Governments have tried to tax this elite, but with limited success, because their Ministers are not admitted to the inner chamber so do not have the required knowledge. It would be nice to think that the next Labour government might encourage a whistle-blower to explain precisely how to go about taxing the movement of money which continuously flows among the privileged.
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Post by Redflag on Wed May 16, 2012 6:43 pm

Mel wrote:I hope the bronze proposed statue of the Witch gets struck by lightning, following all the rotten eggs thrown at it have covered the cow.

My huge Union Jack is getting dusty in the shed awaiting the bitches departure to hell. bounce

If there is a worse place than Hell she is heading for it, I will not getting my flag out when she goes, I will be pissing and Dumping all over her grave just like she did to the majority of the UK. Twisted Evil
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Re: Would you vote for this?

Post by Stox 16 on Thu May 17, 2012 4:35 am

Mel wrote:More important and interesting would be stats showing the percentage of people who think this government stinks.

Of course one can come up with all kinds of statistics depending upon who did the survey, in which area it was carried out and how many were intervieved. All worth very little IMO and those mentioned by tlttf could not be addressed whilst we have to adhere to EU ruling and Human Rights.


Top Draw post Mel.
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu May 17, 2012 5:08 am

tlttf wrote:If the following policies were brought in, would you vote for it. Personally being right of centre I think it would push the country in the right direction. It's from an alternative to the Queens speech.




Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).

Well personally tittf if I was a Tory and I was to hear a Queens speech like this last one.. I would of been utterly distraught and what's more it left me in physical pain, Sad only to figure out that the Speech had left me with a bad case of flatulence What a Face What a Face . as this was more like an end of Government Queens Speech..... I cannot think of the last time I sat though a speech with so little in it. However, by end I was dead pleased old Queenie had finish and had sat down.... Sleep As in total truth I had not even noticed that she had in fact finished it..... Sleep Sleep so its know wonder that you are dreaming up your own Queens Sleep Sleep speech. Sleep Sleep
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Post by Redflag on Thu May 17, 2012 7:59 am

Stox 16 wrote:
tlttf wrote:If the following policies were brought in, would you vote for it. Personally being right of centre I think it would push the country in the right direction. It's from an alternative to the Queens speech.




Deporting foreigners from UK prisons so they serve their sentences abroad (84% think such action should be included in the Queen's Speech versus 9% who do not);
Reducing fuel duty (79% over 11%);
Making foreign users of the NHS pay for treatment (78% over 11%);
Longer sentences for serious offenders (67% over 17%);
English votes for English laws (56% over 27%);
Referendum Bill on UK's relationship with the EU (55% over 30%);
Laws to ensure 50% of people have to vote in strike ballots (53% over 30%).

Well personally tittf if I was a Tory and I was to hear a Queens speech like this last one.. I would of been utterly distraught and what's more it left me in physical pain, Sad only to figure out that the Speech had left me with a bad case of flatulence What a Face What a Face . as this was more like an end of Government Queens Speech..... I cannot think of the last time I sat though a speech with so little in it. However, by end I was dead pleased old Queenie had finish and had sat down.... Sleep As in total truth I had not even noticed that she had in fact finished it..... Sleep Sleep so its know wonder that you are dreaming up your own Queens Sleep Sleep speech. Sleep Sleep

I do not think you where the only one that thought this Queens Speech was written by someone that was still half asleep Stox, or was not in complete control of there faculties lol!
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