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'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

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'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by Frances Fox on Wed May 23, 2012 9:05 pm

This is a title of a book written by Gerald Batten London MEP and to me quite frightening especially now as it has been announced that there will be cuts to our Police Forces loosing thousand of Policemen. He has also given talks on this matter. Gerald Batten made a speech about this subject in Brussels today and to me normally a quiet speaker sounded really angry at the consequences of their rules on this country.

The first two paragraphs of his Introduction book out before the disclosure of police cuts reads as follows:-

"Exactly 20 years ago I read the Maastricht Treaty (Treaty on European Union). It read like the surrender document of a defeated nation. I was so appalled it inspired me to go into active politics and help form the UK Independence Party. At that time I and my UKIP colleagues were regarded as 'alarmists' at the very least when we warned where the great European project was heading. The things we warned against have come to pass and worse is yet to come.

Now almost every major area of public policy is either already under the control of the European Union or soon to be so: from Agriculture and Fishing, Health and Safety, Environment, Transport, Immigration and Asylum, Energy, Tourism, to Space and Sport, to name just a few. Under the Lisbon Treaty there is a common foreign Policy leading to a common Security and Defence policy. Britain's armed forces are being systematically run down in order to absorb them into a 'common European defence identity'. One of the first actions of the Coalition Government was to sign a treaty with the French to share an aircraft carrier."

The above two paragraphs are just a short insight into the book but just to show you that our country needs saving.


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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by astra on Wed May 23, 2012 10:28 pm

Francis, this is the start of the slippery slope, so casually disdained by the media. ie. -

Magna Carta

On the 19 June 1215 at Runnymede King John signed the Magna Carta. (This means Great Charter.)

It was the first formal document stating that a King had to follow the laws of the land and it guaranteed the rights of individuals against the wishes of the King. This meant people couldn't be arrested, imprisoned of have their possessions taken away except by the judgement of his equals and/or the law of the land. This laid the way for trial by jury which means people are tried by their peers and guaranteed the civil rights of the individual.

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Apparently when all this is stitched up, foreign Police can bash your door down and hoick you to anywhere they like. 2,000 years of legal safeguards gone by the signing of "Treaties" by Major (Maastricht) and Brown (Lisbon). Gowd 'elp us!
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 23, 2012 10:30 pm

Physician - Heal thyself.

Luke 4:23 (King James Version):


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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by Frances Fox on Thu May 24, 2012 9:45 am

Thank you both for your replies. In his book "Freedom, Security & Justice? or The Creation of a Ejuropean Union Police State" Gerald Batten mentions the Magna Carta within the next two paragraphs of the Introduction to his book:-

"Membership of the European Union costs Britain billions of pounds every year in direct contributions to the EU Budget and in direct and unnecessary costs on the economy in return we have lost control of our own democracy. A report by the German parliament in 2006 calculated that about 84% of new laws now originate in the EU. We are no longer a free or independent country in any meaningful sense. And now we see undemocratic economic and financial Government being imposed on countries like Greece in order to shore up the euro at any cost. Anyone who believes that the European Union is anything other than a political project to create a centralised undemocratic European state is either lying to themselves or to others.

Many of those still aware of our constitutional history and of Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights and Habeas Corpus, may think that their basic feedoms are still protected under the law. Well they are wrong. Our most basic freedoms are being undermined and destroyed by the creation of an EU system of criminal law. This is being done by steath, introduced gradually piece by piece until the intended jig-saw fits together as a whole. "

I wondered if anyone else on these boards have read this book?
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by astradt1 on Thu May 24, 2012 9:58 am

Of course Britain has no input into the drafting of the laws 'coming out of Europe' does it?... Rolling Eyes

We have many so called MEP's who seem to be there for only criticizing and collecting their large pay and expense packets.

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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 24, 2012 12:22 pm

Every Club has its rules, which must be followed if you wish to remain a member. It's typically English (sic) to buy a house next to a church and then complain about the noise of the bells.
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by Frances Fox on Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 am

If you join a club and don't like it you leave. Unfortunately the EU is not a club it is a dictatorship that the three main parties can do nothing about it accept to take Britain out of the EU and they won't do that because they are too scared to do so. I cannot understand why ? Especially as they know verY well that the majority of British people want ''OUT'.

The British people were not given a vote by the Conservative Government on taking Britain into the EEC, EC and EU . All of which has been detrimental to our country.

Labour gave the people a vote and insisted that jobs would not be lost as first thought or lose our sovereignty.

Under EU procrument jobs have been taken from the British people and given to other countries. British Steel Corporation, Coal Mines closed,. Depleting our Fishing Industry (We now buy fish from abroad that were caught in our fishing waters) and not so long ago gave Germany who are reported as stable have been given a contract from Bombardier and railway transport of part of our railways.



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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 25, 2012 10:30 am

Especially as they know verY well that the majority of British people want ''OUT'.

If that were a true reflection of the mood of the British electorate, UKIP would be part of the Coalition government. It isn't, and they're not, because wishful thinking doesn't provide a substitute for seats in Parliament.

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Post by Frances Fox on Fri May 25, 2012 10:43 am

A coalition Government in my opinion should be according to the number of votes each party got so I think that it is more of a partnership regarding Conservatives and Liberal Democrats especially as the EU would prefer the pro-EU Lib Dems to a proper Coalition.

By the way I would remind you that UKIP beat the governing government New Labour in the last European Election also beating Lib Dems so hopefully UKIP will get top of the other parties at the next European Election

It is not wishful thinking with regards to UKIP it is hard work by many people who WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACk. '
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 25, 2012 12:44 pm

Some people think that the "protest votes" cast in May 2010 allowed the formation of the present disastrous administration. Few look forward to a continuous repetition of wishy-washy election results for the foreseeable future.
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by witchfinder on Fri May 25, 2012 10:40 pm

It is often said that in 49 US states people are first and foremost proud to be American, but in Texas people are Texan first and American second, and if thats how Texans feel about who they are, then thats fine.

If there were to be a United States of Europe, it certainly would not change who we are, we would still be British, or should that be English ?, well theres another argument.

The bottom line is that if we have a job, decent income, a nice home, a good life for you and your family then who realy cares what label you are - Yorkshire - English - British - European, people simply want a good life with all the trimmings, freedom, good health care and a good standard of living.

If the choice was a Union Flag at the top of the flag pole whilst you lived in poverty, or the European flag whilst you lived in comfort, I know which way most people would realy choose.


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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by Frances Fox on Fri May 25, 2012 10:55 pm

Often Wrong:That is pathetic and a excuse to say the least. Yes the present government is disastrous but that is their fault if they haven't got the common sense to take Britain out of the EU.

In 2008 UKIP gained 98,000 votes this election UKIP took 220,000 votes more than doubled since 2008.

I noticed you did not dispute the procument action regarding jobs being taken away from the British people!
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Re: 'Freedom, Security And Justice?' by Gerald Batten

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 25, 2012 11:44 pm

I don't need to make excuses, there are better-qualified people than me dreaming up explanations for failure.

Jobs are not so much being "taken away" from British People as surrendered. Every time we buy something labelled "Made in China" we are exporting a job.
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