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God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

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Post by Greatest I am on Tue May 29, 2012 9:11 pm

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God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty.

Seems to me that God has a few limits.

He cannot reproduce true.
He cannot enjoy sex.
He cannot reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding.
He can only reproduce half breed chimeras like Jesus.
He could not create a heaven without Satan.
He could not create Eden without evil in it.
He cannot control wayward demons or devils.
He cannot sin, although scripture says he does.
He cannot live without needs like adoration, honour, obedience, love.
He cannot accept a soul into heaven without us accepting Jesus and human sacrifice.
He could not forgive sin without having Jesus sacrificed.
Feel free to add to this list.

How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?

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Post by polyglide on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Ancient history has no relevance to the present day.

You can only compare recent times with recent times.

Slavery etc; has nothing to do with the present state of the world.

The times to which you refer did not have the same potential for destruction that we now have nor was the world such a small place.

We can now see at a glance the state of any country, in previous times we were totally unaware of what was happening in the greatest part of the world.

It is no longer a cowboy fight Indian scenario but a real fight for the survival of mankind and it will not be by means of nuclear weapons.

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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:38 pm

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:47 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
If you listen to that scholar in that link, you will note that she speaks of an earlier time than Steven Pinker is speaking of.
RockOnBrother wrote:
Steven Pinker speaks of ten thousand (10,000) years ago. I’m aware of no matriarchies “of an earlier time.” I’m aware of no recorded history “of an earlier time.”
Greatest I am wrote:
Your lack of knowledge does not make her wrong.

Steven Pinker’s knowledge makes her wrong. (Steven Pinker on the myth of violence). Click link below.
Greatest I am wrote:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html
This is the link you have provided.

Greatest I am wrote:
No offence but I will take a scholars view over yours.

I will take Steven Pinker’s view over her view.


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Post by trevorw2539 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:03 pm

Greatest quote.
Before that, under matriarchies, it definitely was a more peaceful world.
This is rather long but it shows this well.
And is controversial.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:52 pm

I was interrupted during my last post.

Marija Gimbutas did excellent work and gave us an insight into 'prehistory' (written). I don't know her work thoroughly enough to be competent to criticise her. What I do know is that she has many critics as well as followers. We have no 'written' evidence for her assumptions as we have with other history. No 'Rosetta stone', as far as I am aware, to decipher markings etc. Some of her conclusions seem obvious, others not so. Some others dubious. But she draws her own conclusions. And we have to accept or reject as we see fit.

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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:47 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:Greatest quote.
Before that, under matriarchies, it definitely was a more peaceful world.
This is rather long but it shows this well.
And is controversial.

I would not name it so. I would use informative and logical for the times.

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Post by Greatest I am on Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:50 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:I was interrupted during my last post.

Marija Gimbutas did excellent work and gave us an insight into 'prehistory' (written). I don't know her work thoroughly enough to be competent to criticise her. What I do know is that she has many critics as well as followers. We have no 'written' evidence for her assumptions as we have with other history. No 'Rosetta stone', as far as I am aware, to decipher markings etc. Some of her conclusions seem obvious, others not so. Some others dubious. But she draws her own conclusions. And we have to accept or reject as we see fit.


Absolutely.

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Post by polyglide on Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:14 am

Anyone wishing to compare the past with the present day need only read the papers and abserve the news and consider how anything could be in a worse state of potential melt down.
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Post by Shirina on Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:03 pm

Anyone wishing to compare the past with the present day need only read the papers and abserve the news and consider how anything could be in a worse state of potential melt down.
The existence of newspapers is part of the issue. As is the existence of 24 hour news networks and the internet. The only difference is that we now KNOW every last murder, every last convenience store robbery, every last injustice. And not just in our own region, but anywhere in the world. All you have to do is key in the word "murder" or "war" and you'll get every gruesome detail whether it happened in your back yard or in Timbuktu.

The measure of how "bad" things are should be measured by what society accepts rather than the actions of specific individuals. Our society today is FAR less tolerant of crime than it was 100 years ago, much less 1000 years ago. I just don't think people are really aware of just how cheap life was even a century ago, but today, we make our kids wear helmets just to ride a bike.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:14 pm

polyglide wrote:Anyone wishing to compare the past with the present day need only read the papers and abserve the news and consider how anything could be in a worse state of potential melt down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO04VXBIS0M

Ignore statistics. Reality does not matter when your head is in the sand.

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Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:51 pm

Shirina.quote

Our society today is FAR less tolerant of crime than it was 100 years ago, much less 1000 years ago. I just don't think people are really aware of just how cheap life was even a century ago, but today, we make our kids wear helmets just to ride a bike.

I'm not sure how we can be sure of that. How many crimes went undetected 100 years ago. How much 'justice' was meted out by the local Bobby. How many children we sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread.
Times change, circumstances are different. Parents often dealt with childrens misdemeanors before the Police became involved. Ouch.
Harsh prison sentences and conditions deterred many first time criminals from re-offending. If you look at sentences in our UK courts today you would certainly not say the above.
A driver has just been given a few hours community service. His 'crime'. Driving dangerously.He nearly hit pedestrians at speed. Driving under the influence of drink (hic). No Insurance, and already banned.
Taking a vehicle often brings a paltry community service order, even when the car is trashed. To the cost of the owner.


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Post by trevorw2539 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:08 pm

Greatest quote.

http://www.goddessalive.co.uk/issue15/acheulian.html


My quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3047383.stm
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:26 pm

Thanks for this.

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Post by astra on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:35 pm

How much 'justice' was meted out by



Go to Sky News, piece on Johannesburg.


See what is happening NOW!



http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16246120
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Post by Shirina on Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:06 pm

I'm not sure how we can be sure of that. How many crimes went undetected 100 years ago. How much 'justice' was meted out by the local Bobby. How many children we sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread.
There are two important points here.

The first is that you're confusing tolerance with the severity of the sentence. We STILL do not tolerate children stealing bread, and there's little excuse for it since charities abound that will feed you. The only difference is that we no longer send children to island penal colonies for doing it. Our modern laws take extenuating circumstances - and the age of the perpetrator - into account when passing sentence. That doesn't make our society more tolerant of crime, we've just become more fair and balanced.

The second point is the matter of all the multitudinous advances in crime solving that are now being employed as compared to even 50 years ago. It is much more difficult to "get away with it" than it was even a few decades ago. In addition, we have a MUCH more efficient reporting apparatus and record-keeping system. This means we have far more accurate statistics concerning how many crimes, and of what type, are being committed. This creates the illusion of more crime and a more lawless society, but just the opposite is true. Only a fool would claim that there was no crime a few hundred years ago. Of course there was crime, and some crimes such as domestic violence, child pornography, and and coercion didn't even exist yet, which is to say these things were not illegal. These things happened to be sure but no one was brought to book for these actions. So, it could be said that there is more crime because there are more laws to break, not because more people (as a percentage of the population) are criminals.

The fact that there ARE more laws shows that we, as a society, are less tolerant of criminal behavior. Beating the snot out of your wife was par for the course not so long ago, and no one went to jail for it (unless you seriously injured her). In some Southern states here in the US, there are still laws on the books detailing just how to beat your wife without breaking the law, but we would never tolerate wife beating at all now. There are lots of examples of how we have become a far less intolerant society where plain old bad behavior is concerned.

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Post by polyglide on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:50 am

Sherina.

I do not know about America but I can assure you that the position in all types of crime in our country is totally unacceptable and in particular crime against and abuse of children and when 50 years ago you would be suprised to read of one murder a year you would now be suprised not to read about several a day.

There is no respect for either person or property amongst a great section of our society and youth gangs are the order of the day and they care about nothing at all.

To attempt to compare the present circumstances with any of the past is not possible for many reasons [stastically] but there can never have been the potential for total breakdown of the world society as there is now, you only have to look at the situation in many nations to realise this fact.


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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:49 pm

polyglide wrote:Sherina.

I do not know about America but I can assure you that the position in all types of crime in our country is totally unacceptable and in particular crime against and abuse of children and when 50 years ago you would be suprised to read of one murder a year you would now be suprised not to read about several a day.

There is no respect for either person or property amongst a great section of our society and youth gangs are the order of the day and they care about nothing at all.

To attempt to compare the present circumstances with any of the past is not possible for many reasons [stastically] but there can never have been the potential for total breakdown of the world society as there is now, you only have to look at the situation in many nations to realise this fact.


Well, that's the entire works of Charles Dickens dispensed with then.


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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:30 pm

Shirina. Well, that's the entire works of Charles Dickens dispensed with then.

Always enjoyed his fairy stories, or was that Hans Christian Andersson Wink

The interesting thing about writers like Pepys, Dickens etc. is that we learn about the seedier, common side of our history. While history books give us much that is notable about events of importance we often get little about the real world.
These story and diary writers inform us what life was like in the 'real' world in their writings.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:04 pm

If anyone feels that matters are in any way desirable at the present time and that the times are preferable to any other and that the future looks bright then please be my guest and explain them.

Take into account we do not now have bows and arrows to fight with but nuclear weapons, we do not have to row boats across any water, we can actually send bombs by remote controll, the potential for war between nations is becoming more and more a probability than a possibility, half, if not more, of the world population is either starving or on the brink, crime both home and international is on the increase and becoming more deplorable than ever before in many instances and that is just a start.

I doubt very much if Dickens or any other past writer would feel the present circumstances warrented anything other than deep concern.
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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:39 pm

polyglide wrote:If anyone feels that matters are in any way desirable at the present time and that the times are preferable to any other and that the future looks bright then please be my guest and explain them.

Take into account we do not now have bows and arrows to fight with but nuclear weapons, we do not have to row boats across any water, we can actually send bombs by remote controll, the potential for war between nations is becoming more and more a probability than a possibility, half, if not more, of the world population is either starving or on the brink, crime both home and international is on the increase and becoming more deplorable than ever before in many instances and that is just a start.

I doubt very much if Dickens or any other past writer would feel the present circumstances warrented anything other than deep concern.

You cannot see the forest for the trees.

http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t569-one-timocratic-tyranny-is-all-that-is-required-to-end-the-woes-of-the-world#22091

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Post by polyglide on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:15 am

Yep, read it.

The point is it will never happen.

There will soon be no trees never mind forrests.

The desire is not there on a world wide basis for any action that would remotely solve our present problems.

Of course if the will was there then a solution could be found for most of the worlds problems but there are too many devisive unsermountable
differences between individuals never mind Nations and religions etc;
that makes any such actions very unlikely to the extent it could be classed as impossible.

So you have to consider the FACTS and not what one could class as fiction.

The facts are as I have stated, I do not need to visit the forrest nor see the trees, I just have to look around and see the state of the world and not only the plight of many poor people but the animosity between Nations and religions etc;

We have not the time nor the inclination as humanity as a whole to become sane enough to realize that it is not the individuals present standing that needs preserving regardless of the costs but the saving of humanity as a whole.

And the long term chances [long term being not very long] of finding a solution before it is too late are very slim.


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Post by Shirina on Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:02 pm

And the long term chances [long term being not very long] of finding a solution before it is too late are very slim.
Hmm, perhaps that is another folly of God. According to Christian beliefs, our lifespans were drastically shortened due to the advent of sin. This ultimately made us rather short-sighted. Rarely do we see or plan for the world beyond our own miniscule lifetimes, and only an exceptional few give much thought to the next two generations. Beyond that, who really cares since neither their children or grandchildren will be around at that time. This has led to a world filled with short-term gains, short-term visions, and short-term goals. It's easy to strip the world bare for our current comfort while giving no thought to what may or may not be left for future generations. Perhaps if we lived a long life and had to worry about the consequences of our actions hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of years into the future, we might be a bit more careful.
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Post by Greatest I am on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:41 pm

polyglide wrote:Yep, read it.

The point is it will never happen.

There will soon be no trees never mind forrests.

The desire is not there on a world wide basis for any action that would remotely solve our present problems.

Of course if the will was there then a solution could be found for most of the worlds problems but there are too many devisive unsermountable
differences between individuals never mind Nations and religions etc;
that makes any such actions very unlikely to the extent it could be classed as impossible.

So you have to consider the FACTS and not what one could class as fiction.

The facts are as I have stated, I do not need to visit the forrest nor see the trees, I just have to look around and see the state of the world and not only the plight of many poor people but the animosity between Nations and religions etc;

We have not the time nor the inclination as humanity as a whole to become sane enough to realize that it is not the individuals present standing that needs preserving regardless of the costs but the saving of humanity as a whole.

And the long term chances [long term being not very long] of finding a solution before it is too late are very slim.



The sky is falling. To fools.

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Post by Shirina on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:28 pm

I do not know about America but I can assure you that the position in all types of crime in our country is totally unacceptable and in particular crime against and abuse of children and when 50 years ago you would be suprised to read of one murder a year you would now be suprised not to read about several a day.
Polyglide, you have to understand history. Coddling our children is a very modern invention. Just a century ago, children were worked like adults in dangerous jobs like coal mining. They were sent to the front lines of battlefields as drummer boys and stewards. They served on navy ships as cabin boys. They died by the millions. Today, that would never happen. Now, we require kids to wear helmets just to ride a bike, much less send them off to war or down into a coal mine. Abuse of children was rampant - and legal. There was no such thing as social services coming to remove children from abusive homes. They were regarded as commodities for the farm, the factory, or the military, nothing more. They did not receive any special treatment.

I've already explained why you read about several murders per day now as opposed to then. With the internet, you simply have to type in the word "murder" and you get to read about every single death anywhere in the world. You couldn't do that even 15 years ago. And 30 years ago, all you had was the local and national/world news at 6pm and 11pm ... a half hour each. That was IT. You didn't hear about murders happening across the country or across the world because a half-hour news program isn't going to cover them.

Not to mention how easy it is to disappear in earlier days. You can kill someone, bury them in a field, and no one would ever know. It might take months or even years for anyone to realize someone is missing given the slow speed of communication in those days. No internet, no phones, no electronic communication of any kind. There are no credit cards to track, no abandoned vehicles to be found, no phone records to trace, nothing. A person back then didn't leave a trail accept for eyewitnesses who may (or may not) have seen poor missing Johnny blow through town a week ago. It was even worse before photography was invented because all you had to go on was a verbal description.

So there's not necessarily an increase in murders - it's just that it's harder to hide a murder in today's technological society where everyone leaves a trail of debit/credit purchases, phone records, and security camera appearances where ever they go.
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Post by Shirina on Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:36 pm

If anyone feels that matters are in any way desirable at the present time and that the times are preferable to any other and that the future looks bright then please be my guest and explain them.
I never said the future looks bright. All I've ever said is that I'd rather be living now than at any other time in history. At least here in the West, we aren't festering in our own sewage, dying of plague and starvation, having our villages burned by corrupt feudal lords, living in abject poverty as a serf, worrying if every mosquito bite will end up being fatal, having a life expectancy of 40, becoming a slave, or - as a woman - having no rights. Hell, we've even learned personal hygiene. I wouldn't want to live even just 200 years ago when most adults went around with blackened, rotting teeth ... and women had to wear perfume vials around their necks to hide the stink of unwashed bodies. Elizabeth I only bathed once a month! And she was the queen, for crying out loud. Imagine how often a peasant bathed. No thanks!

You take too much for granted, polyglide. You simply don't have a clue how miserable it was to be an average person not so very long ago. Life was cheap in those days. One peasant in the Middle Ages had 8 sons and named them all Charles. You know why? Because the mortality rate among the young was so high, the father was hedging his bets. He wanted at least one son named Charles - he expected most of them to die.

Why on God's green earth would I want to live then?
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Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:37 pm

It's interesting that an encounter between Elizabeth I and Sir Francis Drake gave our Queen her motto.
Drake was attending when Elizabeth I descended from her carriage. As it was muddy, Drake threw his cloak on the ground for Elizabeth I to walk on. As she got off the cloak she said ' Sir, I believe your cloak is dirty'. Drake picked up his cloak and looked at it. 'My God, you're right', he replied. AND THAT'S HOW IT CAME TO BE. Dieu et mon droit. Wink
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:33 pm

One version of that story has Drake commenting "Allez tout droit", meaning Go right ahead!
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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:01 pm

Shirina wrote:
… we've even learned personal hygiene.

At least in the United States, Canada, and by reliable first person testimony, Australia.

At a major United States airport Port of Entry area, deplaning international passengers were screened by U.S. immigration officers, who tried to avoid manning the checkpoints through which Air France passengers were screened. I was told that the body stench was palpable: I was also told that, for the same reason, aircraft service workers very much disliked cleaning the passenger areas of Air France airliners.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:36 pm

Imagine what it must have been like on Ellis Island!!
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Post by polyglide on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:47 pm

Ancient or even modern history has no relevance whatsoever to the present position the world finds itself in.

The past is just that, the past and although we should learn from the past's mistakes we never do.

If we did, there would have only ever been one war, people would have learned there is never a real winner and would have decided to settle their differences in another manner.

It is a little childish to try to compare past events and the progress made in certain areas to substanciate the position the world is presently facing, nothing in the past will reduce the present threat to humanityand is totally irrelevant.

You can only consider the present circumstances and they are as I have previously indicated.



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Post by Shirina on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:33 pm

It is a little childish to try to compare past events and the progress made in certain areas to substanciate the position the world is presently facing, nothing in the past will reduce the present threat to humanityand is totally irrelevant.

You're trying to use a case of "special pleading" to make your point, but I refuse to be boxed in by that fallacy. One cannot possibly know how bad or good our world is without comparing it to something, namely, the past. Your entire premise is based on that reality, so telling me I'm not allowed to do it, as well, is where the "special pleading" comes into play. You, yourself, made a comparison between bows and arrows in the middle ages vs. the nuclear weapons of today ... to which I responded that I would have a greater chance of being shot by a bow and arrow in the middle ages than I do being incinerated by a nuclear weapon today. But you directly compared the past with the present. If you can do it, I can do it.

Of course, those who are impatiently tapping their foot waiting for Jesus's return have been talking about how bad the world is almost from the moment of Christianity's inception. They see nothing but the bad, nothing but the negative because they believe bad and negative things are a sign of Jesus's imminent return. The worse things get, the better! It's that twisted logic that religion is so famous for, and which can, for some, turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. The greatest fear is for a lunatic to get a hold of a nuclear weapon and use it on a major city ... just to help usher in the apocalypse. Why wait? Let's get it over with!

But people have been decrying the horrible state of the world since, at the very least, the fall of the Roman Empire (which itself was regarded by many at the time as a sign of the impending End Times).

Ecclesiastes 1:9 ... there is nothing new under the sun.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:45 pm

polyglide wrote:
Ancient or even modern history has no relevance whatsoever to the present position the world finds itself in.

You can only consider the present circumstances…

“Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.”

George Santayana


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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:34 pm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/12018_ch5a.pdf
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:01 pm

oftenwrong wrote:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/12018_ch5a.pdf


'History is the fastest sleeping tablet invented.' Trevorw2539 - Cuttingedge2 (2012) Smile


Ancient Mesopotamian history excluded. study
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by Shirina on Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:48 pm

'History is the fastest sleeping tablet invented.'
Which is why we keep making the same stupid mistakes.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by trevorw2539 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Shirina wrote:
'History is the fastest sleeping tablet invented.'
Which is why we keep making the same stupid mistakes.

Probably. But that didn't make history any more interesting for me. The antidote to dozing in my day was a piece of chalk thrown with great force and accuracy at ones head by a schoolmaster. Smile

Still, it may be more interesting now. In my days at school it was learning by rote. In these days of mass communication and the Web it has become possible to expand ones knowledge beyond the standard school books of my day.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by polyglide on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:21 am

As I have already stated we do not learn from past mistakes or there would only ever have been one event that was detrimental in any respect, man would have learned not to repeat any such event

But he has not, nor ever will.

There is nothing whatsoever to compare { in the past] with the present.

History is just that, a series of stories that show how stupid man has always been and who never learns.

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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:03 pm

Maybe that's where someone got the notion from, that Man has only been on the planet for 10,000 years.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by polyglide on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:32 pm

12,000 years is about correct.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by Shirina on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:33 pm

12,000 years is about correct.

No.
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Re: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits

Post by polyglide on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:36 pm

Yes.
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