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Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

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Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by tlttf on Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:38 am

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The government has found £20billion to upgrade our nuclear capacity and given the main contract to Rolls Royce creating 100's of new jobs in an area of depredation, considering that we give £billions to the EU (would they defend us), £billions to overseas aid and currently spend £150 billion pa on the NHS, is this good value for money?

If Rolls Royce can build and supply nuclear power for submarines, surely they also they have the capacity to build our much needed power stations rather than give contracts to other nations?

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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by Claudine on Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:28 pm

I have confusing thoughts about Trident.

I understand and appreciate that the country needs to be defended. But the mounting costs of Trident can't be ignored. Who would use nuclear weapons against us? And would we be prepared to risk another world war and be the country to detonate first?

i honestly think that the use of nuclear weapons is outdated. The world has moved on and the days of fearing Russian spies wearing no smiles and a raincoat are over. The next big threat will not be nuclear - it's going to be chemical.

Think about it. An opposing entity - say Isis - if they want to control a country, they wouldn't destroy it. You can't subjugate what isn't there. The way to do it is to target specifically key personnel ie the Prime Minister, the Queen, the head of the Army. The Russians have already done it with their British nuisance, Mr Litvinenko. If ISIS want to conquer us, not kill us, they just need to get their hands on these weapons and use them discriminately against top targets and the job is done.

Biochemical weapons is the not so distant future in my book and so spending money on Trident is just for show. It's a political farce. This country should be concentrating on how to defend our country against this new threat. Nuclear weapons are so last century...

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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:26 pm

"The next big threat will not be nuclear - it's going to be chemical."

Very likely, and in the case of jihadis and the like, their most accessible means of creating unrest amongst a civilian population.

If the aggressor should be one of the great powers, any assault will begin with a blanket jamming of all electronic devices. Civilisation as we now live it would quickly be brought to a standstill without electronics or even electricity.

Trident comes a laughable last as a DEFENCE for the UK population in the event of a WW3.
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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by boatlady on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:38 pm

So why not get rid? and save millions?
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Post by Redflag on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:23 am

The biggest threat to the UK today is terrorism, can we use trident on them NO because that could cause a nuclear war. I think we should get rid of trident and put some of the money saved into a weapon system we can use on Daesh (ISIL) and other terrorist groups.

It would also stop the Tories from using Austerity as a battling ram against the low paid sick & disabled people of the UK.
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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by Ivan on Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:56 pm

The Britain that Theresa May is trying to build has unstable foundations

Extracts from an article by Caroline Lucas:-

Theresa May shares with her predecessors a penchant for big projects, even in the face of overwhelming evidence against them. In just a few months she has pushed a vote to renew Trident, given the go-ahead to Hinkley Point C and pledged her government’s support for the expansion of Britain’s busiest airport.

Taken separately these decisions are big. Together they tell us about the kind of Britain this government is trying to build, literally as well as metaphorically: a country ill-equipped for the future and that won’t meet its own needs; a nation whose presence on the world stage will be defined by its ability to kill millions; a Britain failing to make the economic transition necessary to free itself from the worst effects of climate change.

The choices we’re offered say just as much about the Westminster’s mindset as the final outcomes. Do we want Heathrow or Gatwick? Nuclear power or gas? Safety provided by nuclear weapons or the danger of losing them? We weren’t offered no new runways or a truly decentralised, community-owned energy system. The government didn’t ask whether we want the security of not transporting nuclear weapons across our country.

Of all of the mega-projects, it is the renewal of Trident that is potentially the most catastrophic. The arguments against Trident are well-rehearsed. But the very fact that building a new generation of weapons of mass destruction is pitched by politicians as central to our nationhood should give us pause for thought. What makes Britain need nukes so desperately when almost all other countries on earth maintain their safety without them?


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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:14 pm

Unless I've misunderstood, the purpose of something like Trident is to demonstrate to Britain's enemies, real or imagined, present or future, that they are well-advised not to attack us, because retaliation is guaranteed and would be fatal.

Why should they believe that?  

Not even British people find what our politicians say very convincing.
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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 26, 2017 8:04 pm

The 2017 election campaign has forced "Labour" to come out of its closet-of-consensus, in order to allow Jeremy Corbyn to emphasise what he has always believed. Tories feel the need of a nuclear crutch before entering into any foreign discussion which might require willie-waving to make their point.

That point is emphasised when Government finds it necessary to ask soldiers to patrol domestic streets. The job of soldiers is to kill people. In MANCHESTER? Someone please show Peterloo on the map.



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Post by Ivan on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:22 pm

188 countries don't have nuclear weapons, but the UK does; 'the magic money tree' can always find the funds to pay for them. Of course it's more about a British empire delusion than national security. Nuclear weapons won't stop Isis and al-Qaeda from sending their fanatics to commit atrocities.

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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by boatlady on Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Exactly
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Re: Upgrading of Trident at £20 billion, good value for money?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:37 pm

Consolation for losing an Empire?
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