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Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

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What's the point of the House of Lords?

Post by Papaumau on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:40 pm

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Recently the present government have had six of their policies defeated in the upper house and yet all that happens is that any defeated Bill is brought back to the commons and still forced through using the power of the whips and the support of the traitorous Lib Dems.

This makes The Lords into nothing but a place to doze off or an upper-class talking shop. If this is the case then why do we not get rid of it and the expense it causes us all right now ?

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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:51 am

Not to mention the "Non_Doms".

Though now I have mentioned them, why on earth shouldn't they pay taxes like the rest of us?

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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Redflag on Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:29 am

oftenwrong wrote:Not to mention the "Non_Doms".

Though now I have mentioned them, why on earth shouldn't they pay taxes like the rest of us?

I think the majority of the UK are thinking the same thing OW, the reason is the Tories are not and never will force them or bring in laws to compel them to pay the correct amount of tax according to there income, the reason most of Tory party funds come from the Nom-Doms and for the same reason the banking system will not be changed, this is why Economists have said that there will be another banking crisis like 2008, the banks will come with there hands out for more money and it will be the normal tax payers that will suffer just like now.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Redflag on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:42 pm

This is an up date to the Lords reform bill, today on the BBC Parliament channel statement to the H.O.C. at 4.00pm today if you can get this on the BBC web site watch it there is a lesson there to learn about how much of a SPINELESS wonder one of your gov't MPs really is.

For an hour the Tory MPs sat and laughed at him openly and there questions where very nasty and very disrespectful to say the least, one Tory MP a Peter Bone asked Clegg when he was going to cross the floor to sit on the opposition benches, what he meant was fcuk off and let us the Tories get on with running the country, if that had been me I would have left there and then with all my MPs and gave them that TWO FINGER salute.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:52 am

Evidently the entire Palace of Westminster is in need of refurbishment, and the proposal is that both Houses should meet elsewhere whilst repairs and redecoration take place.

This would seem to be a unique opportunity to abandon the whole creaking edifice completely, to be replaced by electronic debate and communication.

What fun it would be to see MPs and their Lordships standing around on Parliament Square with nowhere to strut importantly.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Redflag on Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:22 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Not to mention the "Non_Doms".

Though now I have mentioned them, why on earth shouldn't they pay taxes like the rest of us?

The L/D MP Mezies Campbell is nothing but a two faced rat bag and just as bad as Clegg, the reason for the Nom-Doms paying there correct amount of tax is they would not have enough to pour into the Tory party funds. lol!
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by methought on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Hi folks

I have views on this topic. I think the House of Lords is fine, with its archaic rituals and pomp and tradition. Everyone knows how to behave and many of them work their socks off on committees for this and that, going through proposed changes to legislation with a fine tooth comb.

How is our lower house faring on the democracy stakes anyway? We fell for Cameron's lies about how safe the NHS would be in their hands, accepted public service cuts in exchange for tax breaks for the wealthy, and muttered not a word when such laudable philanthropists as Tescos offered for unemployed people to have unpaid internships stacking shelves for them.

I cannot understand why middle England thinks the Tories will care a stuff about their dwindling pot of gold. All they care about are the super-rich and the benefits they can gain for themselves, sitting at the top table.

Gordon blew it when he refused to step aside and let Harriet lead the Labour Party into the election. He didn't grasp how unpopular he was as an individual.

Clegg and the LibDems on the other hand, have been hanging on tight to the leash they have on the Tories, while being dragged further and further from the middle ground. They are still the good guys, though, and would support Milliband if they thought he was awake.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by bobby on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:50 pm

Methought said: and would support Milliband if they thought he was awake.

Clegg would lend his support to anyone who offered him a position with pay and kudos. As for Ed Miliband being awake, could you please explain that point.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Mel on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:42 pm

Hello methought,

"We fell for Cameron's lies" We? I trust you mean you? There are many many of us who attempted to warn people of these tyrants on the old MSN forum before it was shut down (I believe it was for political reasons)

Gordon Brown fell victim to the Global Crisis and it was the Tory press/media/propaganda that set many folk blindly against him. Now they suffer for their error of voting Lib Dem or Tory and will suffer further if they do not stand up and gather to oust this shower pronto.

"They are still the good guys" You jest surely? Glegg and his following puppets will take us into a life worse than the Witch Thatcher left us in by staying firm with the Tories for their own personal gain. I know there are some decent LD backbenchers who can do nothing but sit back and take it, for fear of being ousted.

Good to see you hear, Regards Mel.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Tosh on Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:20 pm

There are many many of us who attempted to warn people of these tyrants on the old MSN forum before it was shut down (I believe it was for political reasons)

Elected tyrants ? MSN conspiracy ? Political prophets ?

Oh dearie dearie me, are you wearing a beret Citizen Mel ?

Gordon Brown fell victim to the Global Crisis and it was the Tory press/media/propaganda that set many folk blindly against him.

I would hardly describe GB as a victim, he was in charge of the country, the economy and the financial system, blaming the press for reporting he was in charge insults the intelligence of the electorate.


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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Mel on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:16 pm

"intelligence of the electorate."

What "intelligence"? Rolling Eyes

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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Redflag on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:04 pm

bobby wrote:Methought said: and would support Milliband if they thought he was awake.

Clegg would lend his support to anyone who offered him a position with pay and kudos. As for Ed Miliband being awake, could you please explain that point.

I think if old Nick himself offered Clegg a job in gov't along with the Limo he would grabbed it with both hands, no Spine or conscience.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by methought on Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:19 pm

Yet when anyone on the left says anything about there relationship within the coalition government they are shot down at once by both Lib/Dem’s and Tories who claim at once that this is just them having a friendly and healthy debate between them both. But if a Trade Union leader says anything about the Labour party they both jump up and down while calling this a split and shows that the Labour party is not fit for the office of government.

Well I know that I am only a lowly left winger and that all right wingers think we are stupid on everything and do not understand such things as economics or healthy and friendly debates or anything else for that matter. So given there so-called superior Right wing intellect over all people on the left. Maybe they would be so very kind to us on the left And explain the following point?

So stox - methinks you have a sense of 'upper' (as in 'house') and 'lower' that is fixed in status rather than function. While the Tories are happy for the 'plebs' to regard them as the 'toffs' I did think that notion should have gone out with the Monty Python sketch.

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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:38 pm

While the Tories are happy for the 'plebs' to regard them as the 'toffs' I did think that notion should have gone out with the Monty Python sketch.

It's not a priority for the Tories to worry about what the Public think of them, except during the run-up to an election.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by methought on Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:30 pm

For Tory ministers to call police officers plebs shows what they think are other kinds of people though - compared to themselves - i.e. toffs.
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Re: Lib Dems want House of Lords reform, some Tories don't. Who's right?

Post by Redflag on Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:59 pm

methought wrote:For Tory ministers to call police officers plebs shows what they think are other kinds of people though - compared to themselves - i.e. toffs.

I do not think about the Tories at all, they are the lowest form of life and are not HUMAN to boot.
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