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Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

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Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:17 am



msn news poll.

If Tony Blair returned as Labour leader, how would that influence your vote at the next general election?


25 % said "I'd be more likely to vote Labour" 753 votes

9 % said "I'd be less likely to vote Labour" 275 votes

47 % said "I'd be more determined to vote for anyone but Labour" 1,433 votes

19 % said "It wouldn't influence my vote at all" 567 votes




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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:07 pm

Yeah, but we all know what Joe Public is like when it comes to voting.

First, Tony rid us of John Major - a matter for which he deserves much gratitude. Second ,the Great British Voter gave us enough Tory MPs in 2010 for us to have to suffer at least 5 years of Cameron and his glove-puppet Clegg.

Memories are always short, and while Blair reached his sell-by date like all PMs, I can forgive him a great deal for his rodent extermination exercise in 1997... Very Happy
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:19 pm

Seriously folks, the Tanned Terminator is already in place as ADVISOR to the Labour Party.

Who is kidding whom, and how much is Tone donating to Party Funds?
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by Mel on Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:09 am

Still the same old MSN, taking every opportunity to highlight anything that is anti Labour, whilst shutting up shop on Tory wrong doings.

A little like the Daily Mail IMO.

Except for the Iraq war, Tone would be streets ahead on that MSN poll and there is no real proof that weapons were not there in Iraq before the invasion. However, that is another story innit?
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Post by polyglide on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:06 pm

The only good thing Tony Blair did was resign and not soon enough.

In the old days those who started the wars were the first to the front, cash seeking Tony was well back along with his grabbing wife and sons, just ask for their wealth before his premiership and now.

There are no ideal politicians because they all try to pander to the majority irrespective of any real consideration for humanity as a whole and the personal wishes of the majority change according to the prevailing circumstances and these change daily.

The answer of course is blowing in the wind.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:12 pm

Just look what we have had since Tony Blair left office. Sometimes the 'medicine' is unpalatable, but that is no reason to prefer a prescription for arsenic....
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Post by Mel on Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:20 pm

Arsenic from arseholes is what we now receive.

Blair did more for most, except those poor sods in the North East.
Having said that he did produce a lot of Public sector jobs for those lovely
folk. Now this lot are throwing many of them on the dole heap, where they obviously think they belong, adding to the cheap labour masses that they have created (as usual under Tories).
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Post by blueturando on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:02 pm

Still the same old MSN, taking every opportunity to highlight anything that is anti Labour, whilst shutting up shop on Tory wrong doings.

Strange comment, but I guess if the vote had gone the other way you would be calling a GE for tomorrow.
Usual and expected from some posters here....blame the media when it is the public who vote on such things and you don't like it when they dont agree with you...Tough luck old chap!!!

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Post by Mel on Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:10 am

It is the gullible public and a few on this forum who listened to the Tory loving media/press /propaganda who were conned into voting for this bunch of tyrants. Of course along with the fools who thought it was "time for a change". Mad
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:30 pm

Interestingly, the most likely Agent for Change may turn out to be those disaffected Tories who are angry at the way their preferred policies have been apparently neutered by the Lib-Dems in Coalition.

Differences on Lords Reform and EU membership, combined with firebrands who think they should have been chosen for the Parliamentary Enquiry on Bank fraud, creates a party-within-a-party that is prepared to defy the Tory whip. A sort of Conservative Provisionals.
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by polyglide on Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:19 pm

You cannot make a judgement on any matter without being aware of all the
facts and we are not aware of the exact position of the country when the last lot took over, so as yet we cannot say one way or the other as to the actions they decide to take.
What we do know is that the Human Rights Law which the last government signed up to is having a adverse effect in nearly every aspect of our lives.

On top of which Blair vetoed the Social Chapter which would have given wide rights to the working classes and been the only part of the above Act that would in fact have helped those who actually work for a living and not as now, those who will not work but expect and get housing and benifits far above many who work hard for a living.

Iam on no ones side but we will never ever get a government that suits all
because humans are not capable of self government without guidance and the only guidance that would help is found in the Bible.
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by Mel on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:56 pm

"You cannot make a judgement on any matter without being aware of all the facts"

We have the facts here and now before us poly. The facts irrispective of how the books were left by New Labour, are that the poor are being made to pay over the top for a banking crisis that was Global.
This Tory lot with the help of Clegg are implementing total Tory ideology. In the main using the same old cry time and time again "the mess we inherited from Labour" as the perfect excuse to reverse everything Labour had put in place for the benefit of the majority.

They are pushing the man in the street to his knees whilst assisting the rich minority to the nth degree at the expense of those on their knees, just where they have always wanted them to be.
Thatcher tried hard to achieve this situation but did not have the conceqences of the Global banking crisis as an excuse to go as far at these tyrants are going.
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:41 pm

Any re-admission to the fold of Tony Blair will be the kiss of death on Labour's chances at the next election. Might as well bring back Kinnock and Brown to make certain of it, then we could at least make a few bob down the Bookies.
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by Mel on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:16 pm

Sadly OW, I fear you are correct.
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by polyglide on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:35 am

I still feel the book is open regarding what the effect of the current theives and liars are up to will be.

There is no doubt that it matters not who or what is to blame we are presently in a mess.

And drastic action of one manner or another will have to be taken, I do not think that we can recover by over puinishing the rich, there are just not enough of them to solve our problems by doing so but a little from the millions of hard workers may do the trick as unfair as this may seem and be.

What we need to do is stop those who do not want to work suffer the consequences.

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Post by Mel on Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:55 pm

"There is no doubt that it matters not who or what is to blame we are presently in a mess."

Of course it matters poly, the electorate will be able to see for themselves who is guilty and who is just using propaganda to get elected next time around.

"I do not think that we can recover by over puinishing the rich, there are just not enough of them to solve our problems"

You do not "think"?let me tell you that if the rich were made to pay their taxes and were to have their profits capped to a reasonable figure and their thriving on cheap labour, were eased along with investment of some of their profits put back into expansion instead of their back pockets, then we might be in a better state of affairs in this country.

"What we need to do is stop those who do not want to work suffer the consequences."

"Work" where is the work? Nearly three million chasing jobs that don't exist and those that do exist are available for the benefit of the cheap labour merchant blood suckers.

What world are you living in poly? with resect.


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Post by Blamhappy on Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:23 pm

Everyone seems massively against this Tony Blair business.

I completely understand that he became unpopular towards the end, and probably for good reason, but he was a very successful leader. Surely he's the perfect person to advise the Labour Party on how to capitalise on the awful coalition's mistakes?
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:27 pm


The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs
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Set a THIEF to catch a thief Cf. Callimachus Epigram xliii.
φωρὸς δ᾽ ἴχνια φὼρ μαθον, being a thief myself I recognized the tracks of a thief.
1654 E. Gayton Pleasant Notes upon Don Quixote iv. ii.
As they say, set a fool to catch a fool; a Proverb not of that gravity (as the Spaniards are), but very usefull and proper.
1665 R. Howard Four New Plays 74
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Post by Mel on Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:37 am

We imprison thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.

politica fures!!!!!
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Re: Does MSN still have its finger on the political pulse?

Post by polyglide on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:12 pm

There are enough jobs available to cut the jobless by more than half.

The point is we have not the right people qualified to fill many of them, many scool leavers cannot read or write and they are not willing to take on low paid jobs so we have to have outsiders to do those jobs which then makes all matters worse.

In times as they are at present what we need is not party politics but all the right people at the top and at the present time it would be hard to find enough honest people with the right qualifications to do the job, all we have is a lot of dishonest and self interested money grabbers who just love calling one another and taking advantage of any situation instead of helping to overcome our problems, what we need is a WAKE UP CALL and soon.
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Post by astradt1 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:26 pm

The point is we have not the right people qualified to fill many of them, many sc(h)ool leavers cannot read or write and they are not willing to take on low paid jobs so we have to have outsiders to do those jobs which then makes all matters worse.


Ah the standard 'Our young are useless' quote.........

Many young are prepared to take low paid jobs but they will have to stay in those low paid jobs for most of their lives, why because bosses don't want to pay living wages and are more than happy for the tax payer to subsidise the wages through tax credits........

Poly where are these 1,000,000 jobs you say are available.......Do tell I'm sure many of us would like to see the advert for ourselves........
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:45 pm

The ability to work in order maintain self-support has regrettably become a political football, identified among other similar difficulties like immigration, sink-estates and inadequate education as problems for our elected representatives to sort out.

On the track record of Government during the past fifteen years, we would be doing ourselves a favour by withdrawing all authority from Westminster for deciding how we, The People, are to conduct ourselves.
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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:51 pm

polyglide wrote

There are enough jobs available to cut the jobless by more than half.


As Astradt said where are these jobs. Also how many of this 1,000,000 jobs are full time employement and pay enough to live on and bring up a family.
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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:52 pm

On the track record of Government during the past fifteen years, we would be doing ourselves a favour by withdrawing all authority from Westminster for deciding how we, The People, are to conduct ourselves.



Dead right ow.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:19 pm

Another clanger from Jeremy *unt, Minister for Silly Walks

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Post by Mel on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:00 pm

"As Astradt said where are these jobs. Also how many of this 1,000,000 jobs are full time employement and pay enough to live on and bring up a family."

Utterly correct bob, good to see you here. cheers
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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:45 pm

Hello Mel, thanks for that. and the PM, it was very much appreciated.
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Post by bobby on Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:09 pm

Polyglide wrote: On top of which Blair vetoed the Social Chapter which would have given wide rights to the working classes.

I believe it was John Major who refused to sign up for the Social Chapter. The Social Chapter was an act tacked on to the end of the Marstricht Treaty which at that time was signed up for by the other 11 EU States, only John Major opted out, There was no veto.

'The purpose of our social model should be to enhance our ability to compete, to help our people cope with globalisation, to let them embrace its opportunities and avoid its dangers. Of course we need a social Europe. But it must be a social Europe that works.' Tony Blair, British Prime Minister, 2005

Hardly imho the words from a man who used a non existant veto, when Britain had an opt out clause in place and was used by John Major (Tory)

'We want out of the Social Chapter, which is a threat to British jobs.The European Union is spewing out too many regulations. It's holding our economy back.' Michael Howard, Conservative Party Leader, 2003-2005

The above was and is the attitude of all Tories. It wasn't the attitude of Tony Blair, in fact as I recall, it was the Blair Government that introduced the Social Chapter to law.
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Post by Mel on Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:01 am

"Poly where are these 1,000,000 jobs you say are available.......Do tell I'm sure many of us would like to see the advert for ourselves........ "

I second that astradt, perhaps poly will oblige.
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Post by Mel on Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:02 am

You are very welcome bobby. Are you back from lovely Italy yet?
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Post by bobby on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:51 am

Hello Mel. I am still suffering this terrible Italian sunshine. I was planning on returning sometime in September, but seems we will be here for longer. I planned on moving here perminently, but my wife doesn't want to be away from our rather large family on a perminent basis, so we will probably flit between the UK and Italy as suits. Aint life a bitch. Bob
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Post by polyglide on Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:50 am

The jobs are advertised in all the employment offices both government and private all you have to do is ask the relevant Governmenmt Dept. for the figures.
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Post by bobby on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:17 pm

These jobs that are supposedly advertised, what are they, and how many of them do you think are proper full time jobs paying a living wage?.
Lets face it 2 20 hour a week jobs only really equates to 1 full time job and many jobs are for even fewer hours, also we have the Olympics to boost jobs albeit temporarily, and the summer seasonal jobs.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:23 pm

Logic suggests that if The Chancellor was correct in slashing the numbers of people unnecessarily employed in the Public Sector, there should not now be ANY vacancies.

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Post by Mel on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:39 pm

Aint it correct wat you said. Very Happy
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Post by Mel on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:46 pm

"I planned on moving here perminently, but my wife doesn't want to be away from our rather large family on a perminent basis"

That's understandable bob, family is very important and more so for the Italian people, they look after their parents for example more so than the English tend to do unfortunately.

OW makes a very valid point does he not at 1.23 pm?
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