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Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

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Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Bunnyrunner on Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 am

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Be afraid...Be very afraid.

For years, since his days as a Bullingdon 'yahoo', right up to his second term as London Mayor, BoJo has played the clown. Every time he steps into the light he slips on a banana skin and with a shake of his blond mop-top and a muttered reply, walks away with laughter ringing in his ears. The media treat him as a joke, the public treat him as a joke and his own party treat him as a joke.

However...

He has carved out some very high power friends in the City, won a second term as Mayor of our Capital City and amassed a personal fortune into the bargain. Hardly the actions of a fool. Far from it.
This is a man who has climbed the greasy pole of political power almost unseen and undetected. He has claimed he has no wish to lead the Tory Party but has emerged as almost the only natural successor to Tweedlecam. Senior Tories know the leadership is now a poisoned chalice and feel safe in letting Boris in the door. That is a big mistake. :albino:
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:55 am

Boris has a great deal more brain cells than many give him credit for. He knows that his antics keep him in the public eye nationally and that consistently spouting on a provocative right-wing theme keeps a convenient distance between him and Cameron -whom he can subliminally suggest is a bit of a liberal wet, by comparison.

Why, it can't be long , suspects Boris ( unhindered by the day-to-day troubles of governing the nation), before those real Tories are clamouring for the blond  bombshell to save them from a fate worse than UKIP.

No fool that boy Boris. Now, if the Labour Party could just find a similar leader-in-waiting...

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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Ivan on Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:43 am

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Now, if the Labour Party could just find a similar leader-in-waiting...
 
No, no, no”, as a mad old bat once said. The last thing we want is a serial adulterer, psychotic liar and arrogant toff who shows contempt for everyone outside his narrow circle of the corrupt and privileged elite. Ed Miliband will do nicely. I wasn’t pleased when he became Labour leader, but he’s grown in stature and seems like an honest man – in stark contrast to Cameron – who might be able to restore some faith in politicians.
 
However, Boris Johnson could be right. There are certainly a lot of stupid people in London (one of whom drops in here occasionally to display his ignorance and moronic tendencies) who voted for him twice, even though the only people he looks after are his City banking chums who we’re supposed to be “humbly thanking” for ripping us off and wrecking the economy.
 
That dinosaur from the Thatchosaurus era, Bernard Ingham, thinks northerners are stupid (he was sick enough to use the word “demented”) because most of them have enough sense not to vote for a party that is destroying the welfare state while cutting taxes for the rich. Owen Jones replies:-
 
It is not because northerners have become “demented” or been infected with “bovine stupidity”. As the old industrial communities disintegrated at an unprecedented rate under Tory rule, the anger and bitterness was passed from generation to generation. The recession of the 1990s reinforced the ugly memories of a decade earlier; today’s unprecedented fall in living standards conjures up what is – in large swathes of the country – almost an anti-Tory folklore. No wonder they haven’t won a general election for more than two decades.
 
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:32 pm

" The last thing we want is a serial adulterer, psychotic liar and arrogant toff who shows contempt for everyone outside his narrow circle ..."

Well, obviously not all that - but somebody compelling would be good for the Party.

Ingham should know all about 'demented' , being some considerable way in that direction himself, and having spent far too much time in the company of the totally tonto tyrant which was Thatcher.

All in all, I am sure that Ed Miliband is a thoroughly decent chap, with whom one would love to have a beer or two, but he seems unlikely to be suitably attractive to the fickle voters of Britain, who are indeed stupid enough in sufficient numbers to allow the likes of Cameron into office...
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Redflag on Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:55 pm

PH I think Ivan & Owen Jones have hit the nail on the head, however Ingham, who I am certain has "MAD COWSERVATIVES DESEASE" which affects the MOUTH BRAIN & HEART so anything the Northerns suffer from is not half as bad as the disease that runs right through the Tory party, and of course we now know it spreads with anybody they come in contact with them and we have all seen this disease spread to certain Lib-Dems.:yeahthat:
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Ivan on Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:44 pm

This is the filthy lying skunk - the one who promised not to shut any of London's fire stations - for whom our 'friend' tlttf voted in the London mayoral election (while telling everyone else to vote for independent candidates or UKIP headbangers). No doubt he still sleeps easily in his bed, although he does seem to wake very early. (If I needed to get up at 6am to go somewhere, I wouldn't be wasting time copy/pasting tripe from 'The Daily Mail' to a discussion forum.)

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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by bobby on Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:35 pm

I expect Boris Johnson is laughing because he was reminded of one of the initiation tests for the Bullingdon club. I read some time ago that a part of their initiation was to burn a £50 note in front of a homeless person, its plainly obvious the situation in Croydon reminded him.
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:32 pm

The Bullingdon Boys are so massively out-numbered by the under-privileged, it's obvious what the outcome should be in a free society.

How long do we have to wait for the logical outcome? Or are the scales tilted?
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by tlttf on Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:40 am

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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:50 pm

The day Boris and Croydon Tories found homelessness funny

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I wonder how funny tittf would find it if the Tory policies were hitting him where it hurts in his wallet, just like the rest of the London Tories they would be screaming like pigs. :yeahthat:
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by boatlady on Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:43 pm

Is it naïve of me to hope that Bojo may have been a bit discredited by now?
He's beginning to look to me like a bit of a soft target


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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Bellatori on Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:53 pm

Redflag wrote:
The day Boris and Croydon Tories found homelessness funny

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I wonder how funny tittf would find it if the Tory policies were hitting him where it hurts in his wallet, just like the rest of the London Tories they would be screaming like pigs. :yeahthat:

You could try asking him... oh wait no you can't can you?... well we will just have to settle for slagging him off behind his back then   cheers 

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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by boatlady on Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:22 pm

Is it naïve of me to hope that Bojo may have been a bit discredited by now?
He's beginning to look to me like a bit of a soft target


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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by methought on Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:26 pm

Bojo is more than a little bit of a gladiator - he just can't wait for the revolution when he can get out and mow down his political opposition. He has already obtained his water cannon in preparation for the fun ...

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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:04 am

It  would be a grave mistake to underestimate Boris.  That bumbling clown act is just camouflage for a calculating mind.
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Bellatori wrote:You could try asking him... oh wait no you can't can you?... well we will just have to settle for slagging him off behind his back then   cheers 

Now why would I try asking him bellatori ? he is a Tory so everything that comes out of his fat GOB would be Tory EFFING LIES which is normal behaviour for any Tory :yeahthat:
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Re: Will Boris Johnson lead the Tories into the next general election?

Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:00 pm

Boris might not “shaft his brother” (though believing anything he says is not a wise thing to do), but it certainly appears that he’s ready to knife his old Bullingdon Club and fellow restaurant wrecker Cameron. Just what Parliament needs to show it’s in touch with the people – another bloody Old Etonian toff.

Boris Launches Campaign While Cameron Holidays

From an article by Will Black:-

"When I look back over Cameron's career, I will remember that he surrounded himself with millionaire Etonians while subjecting the most vulnerable in society to sharp cuts and while allowing global corporations and oligarchs to use Britain as a tax haven. The fact that his own fortune came from a tax haven. His asset-strip of the NHS after promising it was 'safe in his hands'. His appointment of Coulson, his cringeworthy texts to Rebekah Brooks and even more cringeworthy attempts at jokes in PMQs.

I will also remember him for taking at least four holidays a year and for getting stung by a jellyfish. As he headed off to Portugal, managing to hurl the Child Abuse Inquiry to one side, Cameron must have sighed with relief. No jellyfish sting could be as painful as having your party accused of involvement in child abuse and cover-ups for decades. But within days of arriving on holiday, he already had two knives sticking out of his back, thanks to Baroness Warsi and Boris Johnson.

The knife wielded by Warsi went very deep; the second was more subtle. With expert timing - just as the splits over Gaza were exposed - Johnson announced he is standing for Parliament. Anyone who follows politics closely has always known that he would launch himself back into government when cracks in the party were opening and Cameron was in decline. This is that time.

But Johnson won't be leader until after the 2015 election, and if the Tories don't win that they will not have won for a quarter of a century. This suggests something more fundamentally wrong about the Tories than simply lacking a leader who can amuse people. Boris may start off as knifeman but ultimately become little more than a plaster over a gaping wound.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:39 am

The typical workaday Tory cannot help themselves : they have an instinctive affinity to toffs and loudmouths whom they admire for their capacity to bully and despise the disadvantaged.

The worst of the breed - as I have said before - is the Tory who hasn't quite enough cash to keep up with the well-heeled at the Golf Club and has to park his Ford Focus at a discreet distance from the Range Rovers, BMWs and large Audis.

Nevertheless, this example of the Pringle-attired genus puffs out his chest and seeks to keep up with his fellow Tory Joneses by bold talk and the ever-increasing use of that credit card - which he just about finds the minimum payment for at month's end.

They make me sick, and , in truth, Boris -aside of their voting-fodder uses - despises them too.....
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Post by Ivan on Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:36 pm

Boris Johnson Is Talking Piffle

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"The Mayor of London was launching a report which he claimed would be a major contribution to the debate on the UK’s future relationship with the EU. Yet Johnson bizarrely upstaged his own relaunch by choosing this moment to announce his plan to seek a parliamentary seat. Why? One only needs to read his speech to see why he might have wanted to create a diversion. It was - to borrow a phrase from Johnson - a pile of piffle.

His central argument was that the UK’s best option is to remain in a reformed EU; take his most eye-catching example of why it needs to be reformed. He cited the EU Driving Directive for vehicles over 3.5 tonnes as an illustration of all that is wrong with the EU. To him, these rules are prima facie evidence of an over-prescriptive EU strangling U.K. business in regulatory knots.

When I rang the Road Haulage Association, they were incredulous. These driving regulations have been around for decades and have remained unchanged since 2006. What’s more, UK hauliers, far from lobbying to have these rules repealed, are enthusiastic supporters and have energetically campaigned for them to be more strictly enforced, on the grounds that they protect drivers, improve road safety and ensure fair competition across Europe.

The RHA’s incredulity does not stop there. Thanks to a new initiative ostensibly designed to improve safety for cyclists, truck drivers in London now face a raft of new systems procedure checks, driver training requirements and equipment regulations that go well beyond the EU directive. This was launched at a high-profile event last December. And the keynote speaker at the launch? Boris Johnson.
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Boris launches leadership campaign

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:58 pm

Boris is a past master at trimming his sails to the wind. He obviously now thinks that Cameron can readily be replaced, but that the Tory Party will continue to govern.

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Post by Ivan on Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:23 pm

Boris would boost Tory support by just one point if he became leader

"The Conservatives need to change more than just their leader if they are to win a majority", writes George Eaton.

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I was impressed by this response under the article by someone calling themselves ‘Mukkinese’ – it sums up the Tories very nicely:-

It matters not one jot which shiney-face buffoon is leading them, they are Tories, reverse Robin Hoods, who steal from the many and give to the rich. I cannot understand how the Tories keep getting in.

Sure Labour can and have, at times, been hopeless, interfering, micromanaging, incompetent idiots, who fawn at the feet of U.S. presidents. No doubt about it.

But, and this cannot be denied, the Tories always take money from the majority and give it to the rich. It is what they do. It's in their DNA. They are the party of the rich, bought, paid for and owned. They sell off what the taxpayers own to their rich friends, at a discount. They subsidise profits of their rich friends. They remove workers’ rights, allowing their rich friends to screw the workforce evermore. They enable tax dodging, for their rich friends. They demonise the poor and laud the wealthy.

If you are not actually rich and you vote Tory, you might as well put all your money in an envelope, address it to "The FAT CATS" and post it off. Turkeys voting for Christmas would look sensible in comparison to a Tory voter who is not actually rich
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:43 pm

All true.

Which is why we so desperately need an alternative ( the Labour Party being the obvious current choice ) which is effective, credible and visible.

So what about it Ed & Co...?
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:39 pm

Was this a "Freudian slip" by Adam Boulton, writing in today's Sunday Times under the heading The Tories need Boris?

"....If Cameron loses, then Boris will be best-placed to take over and rush into an ideological shotgun marriage with UKIP, hobbling the Miliband government from the outset. ...."

I have to say that, for me, the phrase "Miliband government" has an attractive sound coming as it does from a SKY commentator.

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Post by Redflag on Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:54 pm

You seem to be assuming that Fatage will gain enough seats to form a coalition with the Tories OW.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:17 pm

True, Redflag, but I think it's an assumption that has already been made by Team Cameron.  Smile
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Post by Redflag on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:56 am

From what I have heard there is an understanding between Cleggy and Scameron for another coalition with the Fib-Dems & Tories after the 2015 general election OW.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:28 pm

".... another coalition with the Fib-Dems ...."

What, BOTH of them?
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Post by Redflag on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:56 pm

They both think that people are still as stupid as they were in May 2010 (the stupidity is on their side this time) I do believe they really think they will get back into power in May 2015. Clegg got the bums rush from Ed Miliband & the Labour party so Clegg went back to suck up to Scameron just to hold onto power after all the by-elections the Fib-Dems have lost the penny has not dropped yet.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Sorry, Boris Johnson: you're not the man to save the Tories

Extracts from an article by Owen Jones:-

You're in a political party that is widely seen as the plaything of a public school racket that could easily have been running the country under Queen Victoria. More of your MPs went to Eton than have a manual background. 51% of the British public think your crew "only represents the interests of the rich", which has not really been an electoral asset since the 1832 Reform Act. Your party hasn't won an election since 1992, in large part because you are struggling to win northern seats that were once Tory strongholds. Is appointing yet another Old Etonian as leader the best course of action?

Breaking a promise to serve his mayoral term in full – which "cannot be combined with any other political capacity", as he put it in 2012 – Boris Johnson is apparently shopping around for a parliamentary seat. Will it be North West Hampshire? South Cambridgeshire? After all, what is a constituency containing tens of thousands of people for, other than being a handy device to fulfil the ambitions of wannabe prime ministers? It doesn't exactly look great for Cameron if Tories are scrabbling around in preparation for a post-defeat leadership contest.

The bad news for Britain's most ambitious politician is already reflected by the polls. Over 40% of Tory voters believe Johnson "is not serious enough to be trusted with big national decisions". Yes, sure, no one really looks prime ministerial until they occupy No 10. Nonetheless, Johnson is more of a known quantity than are most politicians. He is not the man to save the Tories.


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Post by Redflag on Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:41 pm

So some people reckon "Doris is not Serious Enough" its a pity they did not discover that while they helped him to smear the character of Ken Livingston in 2012, I notice he is not standing anywhere within the London area is that because he would not have a hope in Hell of getting anyone to vote for him.
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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:38 pm

Boris is a sideshow, like the Bearded Lady or the Boxing booth at a travelling fair.

He needs your attention much more than we need him.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:23 pm

Redflag wrote:-
I notice he is not standing anywhere within the London area
Boris Johnson intends to stand in Uxbridge and South Ruislip

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The Mayor of London, who announced earlier this month that he would – in spite of denying it at least 17 times in the past four years – stand to be an MP in 2015, has confirmed his target seat: the west London suburban constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip. The incumbent, Conservative MP Sir John Randall, is standing down in 2015, and it is a safe Tory seat with a 11,216 majority.

Assuming Johnson is selected as the constituency's Tory candidate, it won't be an easy ride for him. Heathrow airport is one of the west London constituency's biggest employers. It is also the airport Johnson has called on to be closed down. He said last year that the closure of both Britain and Europe's largest airport would be a "fantastic opportunity for London" to develop a new garden city or royal borough. Johnson has spoken repeatedly against Heathrow, championing for years his alternative plan, based in the Thames Estuary, for expanding the UK's airport capacity expansion: ‘Boris Island’.


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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:33 pm

But will UKIP also put up a candidate in Ruislip?

May they live in interesting times together!

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Post by Redflag on Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:06 pm

There is also the NHA party that Doris and Farage could be facing at the 2015 general election OW.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:28 pm

I don't think many Labour candidates would welcome a fight on two fronts, Redflag, but if the NHA Party contests the seat where I happen to live (which has been a Tory stronghold since God was only a child) they can rely upon my vote.

Looks like there's going to be a by-election at Clacton soon, as the (Tory) candidate defects to UKIP.  May they too live in interesting times!
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Post by Redflag on Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:06 pm

I agree OW, as I live in Scotland which is a safe Labour or SNP party, although it did surprise me Ukip got a seat here in Scotland at the EU elections I tend to think there is people in Scotland that want out of the EU, yet they seem to forget that Salmond wants to get Scotland back into the EU if we vote Yes to Independence on the 18th September.

Maybe that is where some of the people that will be voting NO on the 18th Sept are coming from, I do not think there will be an EU in around 10 years time. Since it was Germany that set up the EU and it was set up to benefit only Germany they have brought this on themselves and I hope they will pay the high price for there greed.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:56 pm

if the NHA Party contests the seat where I happen to live (which has been a Tory stronghold since God was only a child) they can rely upon my vote.
oftenwrong. I don’t think anything you’ve written in 8,000+ posts on this forum has surprised me as much as that remark. Anyone who loves the NHS should ask themselves “who is hell-bent on destroying it?”. The answer is of course the Tories, but if their deputy leader is anything to go by, UKIP are also prepared to lend a hand. The second question is “which, realistically, is the only party that could replace the Tories in power after the next election?”. That’s Labour. I’m sure the NHA Party has some well-meaning followers, but all it's going to do is split the anti-Tory vote under our first-past-the-post system. Far from ridding us of the mob who are stealthily destroying the NHS, they are actually assisting them to stay in office!

Tory strongholds don’t come much more secure than Horsham. When I’m walking my dog, I sometimes see another Labour-supporting dog-walker who says she never votes here because the Tories always win. And of course with that sort of defeatist attitude, they always will.  headbang

Returning to the subject of this thread, Boris Johnson, who often lets us know that he’s studied ancient history, should learn from modern political history that indecision is fatal. Michael Portillo in 1995 and David Miliband in early 2010 both had a chance to wield the dagger and both bottled it. Thatcher in 1975 wasn’t so indecisive and we all know what followed…..  Evil or Very Mad

Johnson now his chance. If he’s supposed to be so popular, he should seek the Tory nomination for the forthcoming by-election in Clacton; after all, the Tories obviously don’t have a candidate at this moment in time. He could storm to victory over Carswell, provoke a leadership challenge at Westminster, replace Cameron as PM and, perish the thought, lead the Tories to a landslide victory in the general election in May. Or could he?
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:29 pm

Point taken of course, Ivan, but in 1872, Sen. Carl Schurz of Missouri paraphrased Decatur: "Our country, right or wrong.  When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right."
English author G.K. Chesterton had this to say: "My country, right or wrong is like saying, my mother, drunk or sober."

Fatuous comments in my opinion, but even less credible would be "My (insert name of Political Party) right or wrong."  In the constituency where I have a vote the Conservative candidate was elected in 2010 with 58.8% of the total votes cast, somewhat in the lead of the Labour hopeful at just 13 percent.  'twas ever thus.

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