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Here come mini-jobs from Germany to 'save' the economy; will they?

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Here come mini-jobs from Germany to 'save' the economy; will they?

Post by Stox 16 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:16 am

The Tory party think tanks have dying to bring in a law wage and no right employment for some time. what the Tories call cutting Red tape in this case means is cutting out all employment laws so that greedy right wing business men can make even greater profits with no employment costs at all. Mini Jobs is just a hirer and fire job system that drives down wages even low then we have today.

in fact having been to German this year ten times already I can tell you that if the Tories get there way with this mini Job scheme, it will come as a very big shock to many UK people. as if this comes over here then you will soon see what it like to become a full time and life long Poor person. as once you in this scheme your chances of get not only a full time real job or off this scheme are ZERO This is how it works....

WELCOME TO THE HELL OF MINI JOBS GERMAN STYLE THAT COULD BE COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU THANKS TO THE TORY PARTY

The current (September 2009) level for a single person is €364 per month (known as the Regelsatz) plus the cost of 'adequate' housing and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner including their children.

Prior to 2005, between 12 and 36 months (depending upon the claimant's age and work history) of their full unemployment benefit (60 to 67% of the previous net salary) were followed by Arbeitslosenhilfe (unemployment assistance, 53 to 57% of the last net salary). Since 2005, reception of full unemployment benefit (renamed Arbeitslosengeld I), has been restricted to 12 months in general and 18 months for over 55 year-olds.

This is now followed by (usually much lower) Arbeitslosengeld II if the claimant fits the requirements
Whether or not a claimant is eligible for Arbeitslosengeld II depends on his or her savings, life insurance and the income of spouse or partner. If these assets are below a threshold level, a claimant can get money from the state. The current (July 2008) threshold level is €150 for free assets (at least €3,100) and €250 for fixed retirement assets, both calculated per capita and lifetime year.

Additionally, every employable individual in a communal household (persons living in and depending on the resources of the claimant), can have one car worth about €7,500 and a self-used house of 130 square meters living space (more if there are other people in the common household).

To receive payments, a claimant must agree to a contract subject to public law. This contract outlines what they are obliged to do to improve their job situation, and when the state is obliged to help. An unemployed person may be required to accept any kind of legal job. This compulsion is restricted by constitutional rights, like freedom of movement, freedom of family, marriage and human dignity. If taking on a specific placement is deemed reasonable by the responsible agency, not applying will result in a reduction or even complete suspension of the appropriate payment.

Within the Arbeitslosengeld II schemen, the state covers the health insurance of the unemployed. Until the end of 2010, payments towards the pension scheme of the claimant were also made.

It is possible to earn income from a job and receive Arbeitslosengeld II benefits at the same time. Job income is debited from Arbeitslosengeld II payments according to a formula that leaves a certain amount of the additional revenue untouched. These revenues are: a certain amount of savings (which increases with age); €100 plus 20 percent of the wage up to €800 plus 10 % of the wage up to €1200 (up to €1500 if there are children). Through this mechanism Arbeitslosengeld II can be regarded as a sort of minimum wage floor for employees without assets, where the minimum wage is not fully paid by the employer but assured by the state. There are criticisms that this defies competition and leads to a downward spiral in wages and the loss of fulltime jobs.

The Hartz IV reform merged the federal level unemployment agency with the local level welfare administration. This facilitated a better, case-oriented approach to helping unemployed people find work and improve their situations. The plan's objective is to reduce caseloads from 400 unemployed persons per agent to not more than 75 (aged 25 or less), or not more than 150 persons over the age of 25. For difficult cases, dedicated case managers may be deployed. Legally, however, the agencies remain separate.

The Hartz IV reforms continue to attract criticism in Germany, despite a considerable reduction in short and long term unemployment. This reduction has led to some claims of success for the Hartz reforms. Others say the actual unemployment figures are not comparable because many people work part time or are not included in the statistics for other reasons, such as the number of children that live in Hartz IV households, which has risen to record numbers.




its my own view this scheme will be pushed for within the next few months.

BUT GOD HELP THE UNEMPLOYED IN THE NORTH OR ANY PART OF THE UK WITH HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT AS YOUR LOCAL ECONOMICS WILL LOOK LIKE THE POOR AREAS OF LEIPZIG. AS GIDEON LIKES THIS POLICY.




WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS THEN?
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:24 am

Concrete chests of drawers in which to store the Country's problem citizens somewhere they can safely be ignored. The Thatcher solution was to divert funds from North Sea Oil to stifle objections, but that's running-out and there's nothing left to steal, sorry, I mean Privatise.
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Post by Mel on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:25 am

No doubt in my mind that this will come and be firmly implemented before the tyrants are kicked out of office.

It is getting near time for the unions to make their voices heard loud and clear to bring to the attention of the public exactly what is being contemplated. Hopefully then the people will join the unions and force these
Tory criminals out of office, before disaster prevails.
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:33 am

oftenwrong wrote:Concrete chests of drawers in which to store the Country's problem citizens somewhere they can safely be ignored. The Thatcher solution was to divert funds from North Sea Oil to stifle objections, but that's running-out and there's nothing left to steal, sorry, I mean Privatise.

I can tell you OW that these places are bloody dreadful and this system is even worse. as one in it, its bloody hard to get out of it. its made me think of slave Labour myself. but I think your first word was better..... Steal
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Post by Stox 16 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 am

Mel wrote:No doubt in my mind that this will come and be firmly implemented before the tyrants are kicked out of office.

It is getting near time for the unions to make their voices heard loud and clear to bring to the attention of the public exactly what is being contemplated. Hopefully then the people will join the unions and force these
Tory criminals out of office, before disaster prevails.

I very sad to say I too believe this will come in by these Tyrants Mel. if their was ever a time that UK working people need the trade unions it will be with this mini Jobs Slave system. as believe me once your on mini jobs you never get a full time job and get out of it from what I have seen. as it really is a one way economic ride. I am just hopping the Tories get cold feet over this right now. but fear they will over come there own fears and try to bring this in. I just pray the Trade union understand how important it is to defeat this mini jobs idea.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:43 am

Socialist voters speak with forked tongue. Miliband was heavily criticised during the Leadership contest for being "in the pocket of the Unions" and every time there is a strike threat of any description the entire National Press sets off on a witch hunt. Unions are the first target for Conservative bile, and vilified for using Public Holidays to strengthen their debating position. Thatcher went so far as to destroy the Nation's manufacturing industry base so as to reduce the power of Trade Unions. Now her successors in government are pitted, unsuccessfully, against the Merchant Robber Barons of the City who call the shots.

So, yes, please support the Trade Union movement in its struggle to restrain the invading horde of Tories, but do not then throw your hands in the air when a strike call affects your Holiday Flight.

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Post by Mel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:52 pm

A holiday flight (for those who can afford a holiday or those who can just about) that is disrupted by Trade Union strikes against this so called government is a small price to pay. If nothing is done, there will be no more holidays for many next year nor the years after.
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Post by Stox 16 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:59 am

Mel wrote:A holiday flight (for those who can afford a holiday or those who can just about) that is disrupted by Trade Union strikes against this so called government is a small price to pay. If nothing is done, there will be no more holidays for many next year nor the years after.

Hi Mel
I think that could well be very true my friend. as this government is weak and in its currant state quite a danger to many people within the UK. I am sure the Trade Unions are watching all of this very carefully and will be thinking along the same lines as we are. However, we are in very dark times with a economy that is almost out of control due to the total lack of any economic management.

can you ever remember a government with such a weak economic policy? as I cannot. all this bull that their is nothing they can do about it is just a myth. nor do we have to sit like a bunch of idiots waiting for a Euro crash that could be next week or in two years time. its just crazy to do nothing of any note now.

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Post by Stox 16 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:05 am

oftenwrong wrote:Socialist voters speak with forked tongue. Miliband was heavily criticised during the Leadership contest for being "in the pocket of the Unions" and every time there is a strike threat of any description the entire National Press sets off on a witch hunt. Unions are the first target for Conservative bile, and vilified for using Public Holidays to strengthen their debating position. Thatcher went so far as to destroy the Nation's manufacturing industry base so as to reduce the power of Trade Unions. Now her successors in government are pitted, unsuccessfully, against the Merchant Robber Barons of the City who call the shots.

So, yes, please support the Trade Union movement in its struggle to restrain the invading horde of Tories, but do not then throw your hands in the air when a strike call affects your Holiday Flight.



How very true... Maggot do destroy the Nation's manufacturing industry base so as to reduce the power of Trade Unions. what's more Alan Clark's book had there fears of Trade union power in it. to the Tories manufacturing industry = trade union power and funding. a very good and very sadly true summary OW.

UNFINISHED BUSINESS...PUBLIC SECTOR TRADE UNIONS... THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ATTACKING THEM SO VERY MUCH.
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