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Post by willingsniper on Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:35 am

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If you are watching the first Presidential Debate post your thoughts real time.
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Re: 2012 presidential debates

Post by astradt1 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:35 pm

If surveillance ... in other words, targeting information ... comes from drones, then we'd still end up sending strike aircraft to bomb the very same targets the drone would identify ... so why not just use the drones instead of the aircraft

Drones are operated by humans, it is humans who look at the information (pictures) they send back to base, so it is humans how make the call as to whether to attack or not........All too often it is the shot first and ask questions after mentality human who makes the call....

No country can fall back on the 'it was the drones how got it wrong' defense

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Post by astradt1 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:40 pm

How many know of the 86 people killed when a suicide bomber blew up two mosques in Lehore, Pakistan? The 25 who were killed at a marketplace in Peshawar? The 40 who were killed while on a train in Moscow? The 28 killed and 300+ injured when Sunnis blew up a Shi'ite mosque in Zahedan, Iran? The 46 killed and 100+ wounded when a suicide bomber blew herself up in the middle of a UN food distribution center again in Pakistan?

Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......
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Post by Shirina on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:40 am

Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

It's war, not a sporting event.
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:43 am

Shirina wrote:
Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

It's war, not a sporting event.

How the the debate effin erode to this. I typed effin myself.
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:10 am

willingsniper wrote:
Shirina wrote:
Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

It's war, not a sporting event.

How did the debate effin erode to this. I typed effin myself.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:08 am

Shirina wrote:
How many know of the 86 people killed when a suicide bomber blew up two mosques in Lehore, Pakistan? The 25 who were killed at a marketplace in Peshawar? The 40 who were killed while on a train in Moscow? The 28 killed and 300+ injured when Sunnis blew up a Shi'ite mosque in Zahedan, Iran? The 46 killed and 100+ wounded when a suicide bomber blew herself up in the middle of a UN food distribution center again in Pakistan?
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The perpetrators lobbed grenades and started firing as they attacked two places of worship of the minority Ahmadi sect in different residential neighborhoods.[4] The near simultaneous attacks were at Darul Zikr, Garhi Shahu and Bait-al Noor. Lack of security meant they easily infiltrated both the Mosques in Lahore Model Town and in Garhi Shahu, 15 km apart.[12]

The attackers at Garhi Shahu, including two would be suicide bombers, entered the mosque without any resistance,[13] before storming into the prayer halls firing guns, throwing grenades . The assault at Model Town involved two attackers opening fire on worshippers before exploding hand grenades. The attackers weren't taking any hostages and were killing indiscriminately .[5]

The Elite Police arrived once the attackers had entered the mosques and did not launch an operation, the two attackers in Garhi Shahu blew themselves up though the attack in Garhi Shahu lasted four hours. 2 militants each were involved in both the attacks.[6]

In model town both the attackers were captured alive as they were overpowered by some of the worshipers, one of the attackers was captured on the first floor by some of the young members of the Ahmaddiya Jammat i.e. Khuddam, and one was overpowered in the main hall on the ground floor by a worshiper who was an ex-army officer.[14] At one time up to 3000 people were reported to be holed up in the mosque during the firing.[15] This was the deadliest attack in Lahore of its kind, and one of the most severe in terms of lives lost in the history of persecution against Ahmadis.

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5. "Pakistan mosque attacks in Lahore kill scores". BBC. May 28, 2010. Retrieved 29 May 2010.
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Bomb blast in a market in Pakistan leaves 25 killed
January 3, 2011

At least 25 people have been killed and 30 more injured in a bomb attack in a market in Pakistan’s northwest tribal region near the Afghan border, officials say.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/16/246443/11-die-in-pakistan-market-bomb-blast/
25 killed, 65 wounded in market blast in NW Pakistan
June 16, 2012

People transfer a blast victim to a hospital in northwest Pakistan's Peshawar on June 16, 2012. A bomb planted in a pickup truck killed at least 25 people at a market in northwest Pakistan on Saturday and wounded 65, security and hospitals officials said, in one of the largest bombing death tolls in weeks.

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40 dead in two Moscow subway blasts: reports
15:59 AEST Mon Mar 29 2010

At least 40 people have been killed in two separate explosions on Moscow's metro system, Russian news agencies reported.

The first explosion took place on a train while it was in the Lubyanka station in central Moscow, the spokeswoman for the Russian emergencies ministry Irina Andrianova told the ITAR-TASS news agency.

"14 people died in the wagon of the train and 11 on the platform," she said. At least 10 people were wounded.

A further 15 people were reportedly killed in a second explosion that ripped through the subway system. No other information is known about the blast.

Russia has opened a criminal investigation into "terrorism" following the blasts, the spokesman of the investigative committee of prosecutors said.

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The last moments: Two suicide bombers pose for the camera as they strap on explosive vests before killing 28 at Iranian mosque
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These are the last moments of two suicide bombers as they strap on explosive vests minutes before detonating them at a prominent Shi'ite mosque in south east Iran.

Sunni Muslim rebel group Jundollah has claimed responsibility for the attack near the Grand Mosque in Zahedan, which it says was in retaliation for the execution of its leader Abdolmalek Rigi last month.

The powerful bombs killed at least 28 people at the holy site, including elite members of the Revolutionary Guard, and were apparently carried out by relatives of Abdolmalek Rigi.

Al Arabiya television reported: 'The group said the suicide attacks were carried out by Abdolbaset Rigi and Mohammad Rigi... and warned of more operations to come.'

[Photo] Retaliation: Mohammad Rigi, left, and Abdolbaset Rigi pose for the camera as explosive vests are strapped on them before they detonated the devices outside a mosque in Zahedan, killing 28 people

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Female suicide bomber attacks Pakistan food aid center
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December 26, 2010
By: Aimée Kligman

At least 46 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in a suicide bombing against UN World Food Program (WFP) distribution center in north-west Pakistan. The Center lies in the city of Khar, in the tribal district of Bajaur, on the Afghanistan border.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was said to be horrified by this attack, and condemned 'this heinous terrorist act targeting innocent civilians'.

This is the first time that a female suicide bomber has been involved in such an attack, which took place Saturday where a large crowd had gathered to received food aid. She was reported to be between the ages of 18 and 22 and carried the explosives under her burqa.

http://www.examiner.com/article/female-suicide-bomber-attacks-pakistan-food-aid-center
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Presidential Debate 2.0

Post by willingsniper on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:12 am



Tuesday October 16, 2012

Topic: Town meeting format including foreign and domestic policy

Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time



Location: Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York (Tickets)

Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates

Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney

Moderator: Candy Crowley (CNN Chief Political Correspondent)

The second presidential debate will take the form of a town meeting, in which citizens will ask questions of the candidates on foreign and domestic issues. Candidates each will have two minutes to respond, and an additional minute for the moderator to facilitate a discussion. The town meeting participants will be undecided voters selected by the Gallup Organization.


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Post by willingsniper on Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:22 pm

We're almost there.
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:23 am

It begins. The run up. 37 min. to go
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:46 am

14 min
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:03 am

Here we go
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:05 am

this guy is a lying prick. He hasn't talked to anyone.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:41 am


President Obama Speaks on the Consulate Attack in Benghazi
http://www.youtube.com/v/T7KkqVX1D3w

04:17-04:27 – “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:43 am

President Barack Hussein Obama the duly elected President of The United States of America
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Re: 2012 presidential debates

Post by Shirina on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:34 am

Polls are showing that Obama kicked Romney's ass all over the stage. Only 39% of the viewers thought Romney won.
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:36 am

You're up late.
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Post by willingsniper on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:39 am

I saw the flash poll. I really don't like him Shirina. Romney that is.


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President Barack Hussein Obama Jr. on tracking down Libya attackers - “I Mean What I Say.”
http://www.youtube.com/v/APn5nYZSYfI

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney goes after President Barack Obama regarding the 11 September 2012 attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Notice Romney deny that Obama used the term “act of terror” during Obama’s 12 September 2012 briefing, then review the video of that briefing and “ear-witness” President Obama’s words.

President Obama Speaks on the Consulate Attack in Benghazi
http://www.youtube.com/v/T7KkqVX1D3w

04:17-04:27 – “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”
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“Boots on the ground” intelligence told me three things about which they could talk, (1) the liberation of Iraq was long overdue, (2) the strike force was about the right size, small enough to rapidly move its two prongs and avoid too-slow Iraqi artillery, and (3) the withdrawal of ground troops should have been finished by late summer or early fall of 2004. President Obama learned from and built upon the successes therein while correcting the error, prolonged withdrawal, as quickly and in as orderly fashion as possible, allowing him to concentrate formidable but finite forces where they need be to best eliminate our enemies.

Romney demonstrates neither the military/diplomatic finesse nor the geopolitical acumen to be effective in this most crucial area of ultimate responsibility. If I had to choose between a hale and hearty Romney and an 80-something McCain suspended between two health attendants and sucking on oxygen, I’d pick McCain. Since I picked a less experienced Obama over McCain in 2008, this 2012 choice is a no-brainer.
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Presidential Debate 3.0 October 22, 2012

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Topic: Foreign policy

Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time

Location: Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida

Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates

Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney

Moderator: Bob Schieffer (Host of Face the Nation on CBS)

The debate will focus on foreign policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond.
The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.



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Post by willingsniper on Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:11 am

Okay everyone here they go
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Post by Red Cat Woman on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:00 am

There is only one winner in this debate and it was not Romney. he has no economic policy of note and does not know where Mexico is let alone Europe. Rommey is what you US folks say....a Bonehead



if the US people elect Rommey then you will be at war with Iran within the year.
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Post by Red Cat Woman on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:06 am

willingsniper wrote:I saw the flash poll. I really don't like him Shirina. Romney that is.

Rommney is a bonehead. come on America wake up. this guy will have your economy in a mess and you will be at war with Iran within the year. that is if Rommney can first of all work out where Iran is? Rommney will take the US back to the stone age.



The idea that anyone with just half of a brain could vote for Rommney is quite crazy in my own view. you have just given poor old Obama the hardest job in the world to sort out your economy and he is doing that. Hell yes its slow...but you have some GDP growth long before we did. do you really believe that Rommney understands your economy or the state of the world economy? as I think he does not even know how to pull up his pants myself.

Rommney is just a right wing bonehead and no more than that. if the US believes its a world power then you really need to elect a world leader to go with it.

In a blog post Alan Krueger, chairman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, wrote: "While we have more work to do, together with other economic indicators, this report provides further evidence that the economy is moving in the right direction."

S economic growth rose in the third quarter to reach an annualized rate of 2%, higher than expected and fueled by rising consumer confidence, the fledgling recovery in the housing market and an increase in government spending.

i Can tell you this much. our banal government would kill for your GDP growth rate of 2% and that is a fact
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Post by Shirina on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:49 am

Romney wants to do what Reagan did .... create a prosperous time for his own presidency by sacrificing the economy of the next president.

Reagan did what Romney wants to do -- lower taxes, cut social programs, and increase military spending. And it worked! Reagan was able to pull America out of the recession that occurred during the Carter years. But Reagan's economic plan was like a shot of morphine ... fantastic while it lasts, but the euphoria eventually fades, and it doesn't actually cure anything. The economic collapse that slammed George H. W. Bush's presidency was directly caused by Reagan's shortsighted economic policies. The end result was Bush Sr. being a one-term president.

Romney wants to do the same ... and he'll try to float through the next 8 years on a morphine high, knowing full well that the crash will come when someone else is in power. But who cares, right? Not if history remembers you as the person who pulled America out of the worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression. The next meltdown will occur on someone else's watch.

So watch out for the snake oil salesman who wishes to sell you a few short years of prosperity while steering us off yet another financial cliff.
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Post by Shirina on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:52 am

My friends and I are doing early voting tomorrow. Obama will get at least 4 votes. Not much in the grand scheme of things, but no one can fault me if Obama loses.
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Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:48 pm

I was very impressed by this blog on the candidates:-

http://tammylynnblogs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/my-thoughts-on-presidential-candidate.html
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:38 pm

My thoughts on Presidential candidate Mitt Romney
Tamara Kwan
Friday, 26 October 2012

This devout Mormon [Mitt Romney] was a bully in school and as a nearly grown man held down a fellow classmate and violently cut his hair off....because he was different. This same man used his religious beliefs as peaceful non violent Mormon to avoid the draft for the Vietnam War. That wasn't the only excuse he used. He sought and received two 2-S Student deferments then he sought and received a 4-D ministerial deferment. His sons also will never serve in the military, no matter what. They have clearly stated this. They have clearly stated that they believe that going on religious missions around the world to convert people to Mormonism is equal to serving their country in the Military. They refuse to send their sons to serve in the military and possibly die for their country but they are more than willing to sacrifice our sons and daughters to defend our country. And people want him to be in charge of our military? To be in charge of our sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers and mothers who bravely sacrifice their lives for our country...when him and his family flat out refuse to do the same. Think about that.

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Post by willingsniper on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:58 pm

Here’s Albert Hunt, the executive editor for Washington at Bloomberg News, writing in his Bloomberg column: “The political hero for these conservatives is Reagan, who did slash taxes his first year as president. What the Eric Cantors of the world don’t know or ignore is that in 1982—in the midst of what was then the worst economic downturn since the Depression—Reagan approved the largest peacetime tax increase in history. On Sept. 3, 1982, the day he signed the tax hike, the jobless rate was 10.1 percent. In today’s dollars, TEFRA (The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibilities Act) and an accompanying small increase in gas taxes would have raised the equivalent of almost $1 trillion dollars over 10 years. The result: the economy boomed in 1983 and 1984.”
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:52 pm

Whenever it's the rich men who are passing Tax Law, be very afraid.

The days of the Robber Barons are far from over, and they truly believe they DESERVE the proceeds of their greed as the rest of us were too slow to stop them.
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