From Savile to Hillsborough - was there a government in charge or not?

I was born on 6 January 1982 and have found myself asking some very important questions over the actions of the UK police force from the 1980s to today. As to me the case of both Jimmy Savile and the Hillsborough disaster in 1989 seem to be linked.

As its quite clear to me there was a government in power from 1979 to 1997 that was supposed to be in charge of Law and Order was there not? Yet in that time we had the deaths of 55 people at a football game that seemed to be caged like animals and at the same time had a pop DJ running and presenting a popular children’s TV programme call 'Jim will fix it' from 1975 before I was born till 1994. Who its now been shown to of sexually abused teenage girls with the Police only now owning up to the fact that they had received over 60 allegations of sexual assault.

But what is very clear to me is that from the late 1970 to at least 1994 there seem to have been a clear case of UK Police forces failing to up hold the Law and even suppressing evidence that at any other time would of lead to criminal prosecutions. Now I cannot really believe that most policemen would of made these sorts of decisions without first taking this to the Home Office Minister and the Prime Minister of the day.

However, so far the media have seems to have not wished to look at the whole question of the chain of command from 1980 to 1997? Now I many be just a girl of 30 but I would have thought the government's action and policy of this time would have had a big effect on both how the UK police force was run at the time and how key decisions where in fact made.

So with having the same political party in power today is there now a new cover up underway to suppress the political action take at that time? As it sure does feel like it to me? What do you think?

Britain has so far resisted the creation of a "National Police Force" which by its nature is likely to be a creature of government.

The polite fiction is that our regional semi-autonomous forces reflect the particular interests of the areas they serve. It remains to be seen what effect the newly-elected Police Commissioners will have, but any research into statistics will, inter alia show that no British Policeman has ever been convicted of unlawful killing in the course of their duties. Though several people have died at the hands of police marksmen.

and so they shouldn't OW?
Red I've no idea where your going with your argument but thank whoever it all changed when Blair cam into power, I can sleep feeling so much safer now!

tlttf wrote:and so they shouldn't OW?
Red I've no idea where your going with your argument but thank whoever it all changed when Blair cam into power, I can sleep feeling so much safer now!

What's the upside of being shot, tlttf?

Nothing OW, just wondering and thankful that it all stopped in 1997?

tlttf wrote:Nothing OW, just wondering and thankful that it all stopped in 1997?

O i get it, we did not have a PM that thought it was her job to set police policy then? so the police did not ask the home office how they should cover up Hillsborough disaster in 1989? What was it she call football fans? its got nothing to do with it all stopping in 1997... but it has everything to do with how it all started. but then we are talking about the right wings hero here are we not.





The Truth: Thatcher was advised that South Yorkshire Police were 'close to deceitful'

12 Sep 2012 14:18
The Prime Minister at the time of "one of the greatest peacetime tragedies of the last century" was told that attitude of force that covered-up truth was 'depressingly familiar'

Following the revelations about the cover-up and conspiracy by the South Yorkshire Police following the Hillsborough disaster, I feel there is still much to be exposed about the criminal activities of the authorities in all this.

According to Fact Sheet Two: Hillsborough and the Taylor Report, from the Football Industry Group (and I quote directly): 'Thatcher's Press Secretary, Bernard Ingham, has frequently repeated the allegations made by the 'Sun'.'

Ingham was of course, very close to Margaret Thatcher before, at the time of, and after the Hillsborough disaster. It now appears to be highly likely that Thatcher, at least, knew that the Sun newspaper and the South Yorkshire Police were collaborating in spreading lies to blame the dead for the mass slaughter that we now, at last, know was the fault, firstly, of the police, and to a lesser extent, of the ambulance service (presumably at the behest of the police).

Unfortunately, Lady Thatcher would now appear to be beyond questioning about her role in this foul conspiracy. Would Sir Bernard be prepared to explain his role in all this subsequent to 15th April, 1989?

Ring any bells?

tlttf wrote:and so they shouldn't OW?
Red I've no idea where your going with your argument but thank whoever it all changed when Blair cam into power, I can sleep feeling so much safer now!

you need to read more Tittf before you post



From a Liverpool member of the 96.

Arguably, the original conspiracy to cover up what really happened was immeasurably strengthened by the actions of the Murdoch press, ie the Sun, with close collaboration from the Thatcher government's press office - at the centre of which was Sir Bernard Ingham. What they all did was spread the foulest lies about the behaviour of the Liverpool fans. What upsets me is that these guilty conspirators may have got clean away with it.

It's galling to realise that demented Thatcher, and her co-conspirator Ingham, and many others including the then-editor of the Sun, may well die with their reputations officially intact. In that one aspect, alone, they bear comparison with the deceased and now reviled Sir Jimmy Savile.

Funny how they can work it out...but right wingers cannot...

Mrs Thatcher had encouraged police forces to believe they were exempt from punishment.

Former prime minister Margaret Thatcher

‘The Thatcher government, because they needed the police to be a partisan force, particularly for the miner strikes and other industrial troubles, created a culture of impunity.

She definitely didn't want criticism of the police. They had been a major tool in attacking the unions. The whole attitude to the working class areas was highlighted by Gefforey Howe saying Liverpool should be allowed to go into "managed decline". She decided to build the cages onto which they were crushed. They turned 'a blind eye' to police failings, just as they did to police brutality against working people.

Any Government which did not support their own Police would be unlikely to occupy the historians for long.

I wonder if Dave and Theresa know that?

Does anyone else get the feeling that this government is enjoying the shock news about Savile just a little too much.......

Dave seems only too keen to jump on the bandwagon of blaming the BBC for covering up Savile's behaviour

Well, it's not every day that we are led to believe that the BBC invented Sex.

astradt1 wrote:Does anyone else get the feeling that this government is enjoying the shock news about Savile just a little too much.......

Dave seems only too keen to jump on the bandwagon of blaming the BBC for covering up Savile's behaviour

its funny but its just what i have been thinking all week astradt...handy this Savile story if you ask me



as what was Thatcher role in Hillsborough disaster in 1989?, as that woman had her nose in everything and nothing passed her by if we are to believe the right wingers and media

oftenwrong wrote:Any Government which did not support their own Police would be unlikely to occupy the historians for long.

I wonder if Dave and Theresa know that?

its crossed my mind that too oftenwrong...

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out Jimmy Savile often spent Xmas with Thatcher as a lunch guest. He also was close, and influential, with Charles and Di - mediating when their marriage hit the rocks. Maybe Savile was being protected by powers greater than just those at the BBC....?

Thatcher was probably keen to protect the police from flak for Hillsborough because the police had done their utmost to help her defeat the miners - and so she mebbes felt she owed them.

Don't you just love an open unbiased debate?

From hung parliament to Universal Credits via more U-turns than a game of snakes-and-ladders, has anyone been in charge of anything for the past two and a half years?

Late news. Cameron has found a tenner down the back of the sofa. We're saved!!

sickchip wrote:I'm surprised nobody has pointed out Jimmy Savile often spent Xmas with Thatcher as a lunch guest. He also was close, and influential, with Charles and Di - mediating when their marriage hit the rocks. Maybe Savile was being protected by powers greater than just those at the BBC....?

Thatcher was probably keen to protect the police from flak for Hillsborough because the police had done their utmost to help her defeat the miners - and so she mebbes felt she owed them.

well I never knew that sickchip. but does it surprise me? no not at all and sums up the whole question of policing in the 1980s too.

tlttf wrote:Don't you just love an open unbiased debate?

What you dislike the truth about your right wing hero? well maybe you could tell us all about the right wings history of Law and order in the 1980s then?

bobby wrote:Perhaps The filthy bastard befriended Thatcher in the hope she would snuff it first, in order for him to indulge in a bit of necrophilia. Only the bitch still breaths and has thwarted his evil intensions.

I think that must of been the only thing that Savile did not do...but then she was a bit old for him.

oftenwrong wrote:From hung parliament to Universal Credits via more U-turns than a game of snakes-and-ladders, has anyone been in charge of anything for the past two and a half years?

Late news. Cameron has found a tenner down the back of the sofa. We're saved!!

and Gideon has just nicked it off him to help with his rail fairs ha ha

Red Cat Woman wrote:

tlttf wrote:Nothing OW, just wondering and thankful that it all stopped in 1997?

O i get it, we did not have a PM that thought it was her job to set police policy then? so the police did not ask the home office how they should cover up Hillsborough disaster in 1989? What was it she call football fans? its got nothing to do with it all stopping in 1997... but it has everything to do with how it all started. but then we are talking about the right wings hero here are we not.





The Truth: Thatcher was advised that South Yorkshire Police were 'close to deceitful'

12 Sep 2012 14:18
The Prime Minister at the time of "one of the greatest peacetime tragedies of the last century" was told that attitude of force that covered-up truth was 'depressingly familiar'

Following the revelations about the cover-up and conspiracy by the South Yorkshire Police following the Hillsborough disaster, I feel there is still much to be exposed about the criminal activities of the authorities in all this.

According to Fact Sheet Two: Hillsborough and the Taylor Report, from the Football Industry Group (and I quote directly): 'Thatcher's Press Secretary, Bernard Ingham, has frequently repeated the allegations made by the 'Sun'.'

Ingham was of course, very close to Margaret Thatcher before, at the time of, and after the Hillsborough disaster. It now appears to be highly likely that Thatcher, at least, knew that the Sun newspaper and the South Yorkshire Police were collaborating in spreading lies to blame the dead for the mass slaughter that we now, at last, know was the fault, firstly, of the police, and to a lesser extent, of the ambulance service (presumably at the behest of the police).

Unfortunately, Lady Thatcher would now appear to be beyond questioning about her role in this foul conspiracy. Would Sir Bernard be prepared to explain his role in all this subsequent to 15th April, 1989?

Ring any bells?

What a very good post RCW. As your quite right to ask who was running the UK police force at the time? as its quite clear they did not run it or manage it without Government input. unless the Right wing wish to admit they never ran any of the government during the so-called golden years of Maggot?

But the idea that Maggot did not have any sort of control over the UK police force in the 1980s is laughable even by the banal standards of the right wing. but then we are talking once more about her reputation and this is beyond question in the eyes of the right. As the very idea that Sir Bernard and Maggot had no say in how this was reported within the general media is quite absurd and whats more inconceivable. as there would of been no dilemma in maggots mind as to who was to blame and that would of been the football fans. she would never of jeopardized her relationship with the police force at that time. she in fact gave the UK police force a free hand to do what ever they liked. as she never once said anything against them. as she needed them in her private war with the unions. The fact is there are many question marks over the management of the police force in the 1980s and the right wing know it too RCW.