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Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:46 pm

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Cameron says he has "full confidence" in Defence Secretary Liam Fox, after new revelations about his close friend and self-styled adviser Adam Werritty.

Werritty brokered a meeting in Dubai in June between Fox and a defence company keen to sell communications encryption technology to the Defence Secretary and possibly on to the Libyan rebels.

Werritty ran a controversial charity from inside Fox's office in the Houses of Parliament. He used it as the official headquarters of a right-wing charity, the Atlantic Bridge, which works in conjunction with a major US business lobby group. The office was provided at taxpayers' expense.

Werritty has made 14 visits to the Ministry of Defence over 16 months, despite not being employed by the government.

Werritty has stayed in the Fox’s tax-funded London flat rent free. He is also said to have used that address when setting up a defence consultancy firm.

A second Commons business card stating that Werritty worked for the MP has been uncovered, despite him not being on any official payroll.

Why hasn’t Fox been sacked?

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:42 pm

This Fox story appears to be more sinister than just a little cash-grubbing.

Craig Murray was the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004. These are some extracts from his blog:-

"Gus O’Donnell, Cabinet Secretary, has fixed with Cameron the lines of his investigation to allow him to whitewash Fox…..O’Donnell will announce that Werritty received no specific money for specific meetings with or introductions to Fox. But the deal between Cameron, Fox and O’Donnell is that O’Donnell will not address the much more important question of who funded Werritty and why.

The answer is that Werritty is paid by representatives of far-right US and Israeli sources to influence the British Defence Secretary. It has been discussed within the MoD whether Werritty is being – knowingly or otherwise – run as an agent of influence by the CIA or Mossad.

This has parallels to the Christine Keeler case but is much, much worse. That the British Defence Secretary holds frequent unrecorded meetings….with somebody promoting the interests of foreign powers is much, much worse than a little cash-grubbing. That the person representing the foreign powers is actually present, apparently to all as a ministerial adviser, at meetings of Fox with important representatives of foreign nations is simply appalling.

That we are being so easily misdirected to a narrow cash question – and that the media have followed that misdirection – is ludicrous."


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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astra on Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:36 pm

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:19 pm

According to The Times, a corporate intelligence company with an interest in Sri Lanka and a property investor who lobbies for Israel helped channel £147,000 into a not-for-profit company set up by Mr Werritty. Mr Werritty allegedly used some of the money to join Dr Fox on foreign trips, it was reported.

I wonder which of these companies was the one used?
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:29 pm

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:06 pm

The conventional end for people who believe themselves to be "Special".
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:42 pm

Werritty, He Says Unto You...

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by jackthelad on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:30 pm

Fox has gone, the point is, was he pushed, or did he jump. In the days of ancient Rome, anyone who disgraced themselves, would fall on there swords. Something i think that should be brought back, it would make the buggers think twice about what they get up to.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:44 pm

I wonder if his resignation today has anything to do with the fact that he knew he was going to have to go next week, once the enquiry finding were made public, and by going today he has at least taken much of the heat out of the Letwin story which broke this morning....

As a side note I hope were are all sparing a thought for the three 'real' Speical Advisors, to Liam Fox, who now face unemployment............Not!!!! Rolling Eyes
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Mel on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:53 am

Anyone ever heard of a Fox giving itself up????

This one must have done so as to protect the hounds. You know the ones, the ones who greets you with a friendly lick and end up biting your ass. Shocked
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by bobby on Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:30 am

I now dont know what is worse, The Fox or the weasle Hammond as Deffence secretary, They must be two of the nastiest pieces of work immaginable to do such a job. When are we to have someone who has served in the Armed Forces and fully understands their needs, even the prick Iain Dumkoff Shmitt was in the army. Perhaps they are chosen, as those that haven't served will cut and slash the budget without a though for those who regularly put their lives on the line for our Country.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:27 pm

Anyone taking an honestly detached view of British military adventures since 1945 would have to admit that we haven't actually gained much from them.

Those determinedly neutral Scandinavian countries have a much higher standard of living than we Brits. Could there be a connection?
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by bobby on Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Actualy its quite nice to have a Deffence Secretary who leads from the front, and is now leading many of our military into redundancy. The only difference is, he should be got shot of, whereas our Soldiers, airmen and Sailors dont deserve to be treated in the manner they are.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by jackthelad on Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:46 pm

The Fox snowball seems to be gathering more momentum and getting bigger, his resignation doesn't seem to have stopped the questions being asked.

All the money parliament spends, and they don't seem to be able to afford a shredder. Don't they have bins at Westminster either, fancy dumping vital papers in public park bins for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to see. It appears you don't have to be perticularly bright to be an MP, and even dumber to be a Minister.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by atv on Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:20 pm

All the money parliament spends, and they don't seem to be able to afford a shredder.

I believe Tony Blair sequestered all the shredders.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by bobby on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:44 pm

Jack. I do believe they have the cash for a shredder, the problem is that anytime a Tory goes out to purchase one, the silly gits get lost
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Post by bobby on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:47 pm

atv said
I believe Tony Blair sequestered all the shredders.
More likely that Thatcher closed down the shredder factories, when she was closing down everything else.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:45 pm

Some of Britain's wealthiest hedge fund barons are counted among Liam Fox's financial supporters, but none appear closer to him than the Australian former Goldman Sachs banker Michael Hintze. A soldier turned money manager, Hintze has built up one of Europe's largest hedge funds, CQS, and is among the richest men in the UK with an estimated fortune of £550 million. Since 2005, he has donated almost £1.5m to the Tories, including financial assistance meeting the cost of several trips by his friend Fox.

Among the bills met by CQS were flight and accommodation costs for a 2007 trip to Mauritania "to meet competitors in the Paris to Dakar rally", according to the register of MPs' interests. Records show that months later, Hintze's company flew the then Shadow Defence Secretary to Florence to attend a conference.

CQS's generosity had also helped meet the running costs of Fox's office in Westminster, while in October 2008 Hintze flew the then Shadow Defence Secretary to Washington so that he might attend the US presidential debate. In May this year, Hintze again arranged for a transatlantic flight, this time from Washington to Farnborough. The Defence Secretary's friend Adam Werritty was also on board.

It is a transatlantic political row that ultimately triggered the demise of Fox's charity Atlantic Bridge, set up with Hintze's money to promote the "special relationship" between the US and UK. In 2009, the charity found itself embroiled in a bitter row over how the NHS was being presented to the American public in a fierce debate on Obama's healthcare reform plans. In an angry blog, Congressman John Campbell, who sat on the Atlantic Bridge advisory board, wrote: "Britain's socialised medicine system is enormously inefficient, wasteful, and costly. This is part of the reason why Britons have seen higher costs and the rationing of care”.

The remarks incensed Labour politicians including Andy Burnham, who lodged a complaint with the Charity Commission, which led to the regulator taking a closer look at Atlantic Bridge's activities and ultimately striking it off. The Commission concluded: "Its charitable purposes had not been advanced by any of its activities”. In fact, records going back four years suggest the activities of Atlantic Bridge were largely speaking events, in the main led by the charity's founder chairman, Fox. The accounts also show that £104,000 – or 58% of the charity’s voluntary income – had come from one source: the Hintze Family Foundation. The charity's address was given as Fox's office in the House of Commons, and its executive director was Werritty. If Werritty drew a salary from the charity, it would effectively be earnings largely coming from Hintze.

Only a few other donors to Atlantic Bridge are named but among them is Security Futures, a company, since dissolved, which had connections to both Werritty and Hintze. Werritty had been a director at this company, although it appeared to do very little business, since 2006. Also a director from March of last year was Oliver Hylton, Hintze's senior aide. In 2009, Security Futures gave £15,000 to Atlantic Bridge. Alongside Hylton and Werritty on the board of the now defunct company sat lobbyist Iain Stewart and Laura Sandys, who ran her own PR business. Both now sit behind Fox as MPs on the Conservative benches.

Security Futures described its role as "promoting a better understanding of asymmetric 'security' risks that the UK faces and publishing work that encourages a better informed debate on these important issues". Other wealthy figures from the world of finance listed under Fox in the MPs' register of interests are: Stanley Fink, formerly of Man Group; Alan Howard, of Brevan Howard; Jon Moulton of Better Capital; and the property tycoons David & Simon Reuben.

One of them, Moulton, paid £60 million for Gardner UK, which makes components for aircraft including RAF fighter jets and troop transporters, in February 2010. Eight months later he gave a sum of up to £35,000 to Pargav, a company owned by the Defence Secretary’s self-styled adviser Adam Werritty. His donation happened to coincide with the Tory-led government conducting the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) setting out the future shape of the Armed Forces. Mr Moulton, who donated funds to Dr Fox before the election in May last year, has issued a statement insisting he had “neither sought nor received a benefit of any form”. But he revealed that Dr Fox had personally asked him to fund Pargav after he became Defence Secretary.

Moulton bought defence firm Gardner UK, which makes components for aircraft including RAF fighter jets and troop transporters, in February 2010. Eight months later he gave £35,000 to Mr Werritty’s company Pargav. Now Mr Moulton has made the explosive claim that Dr Fox had explicitly asked him to give money to Mr Werritty.

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Michael Hintze, one of the funders of Fox and Werrity's little jaunts around the world, runs CQS. CQS invested millions in American company L-3. In 2010, Fox announced the scrapping of Nimrod. It is to be replaced by a Rivet Joint aircraft, supplied by L-3.

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by witchfinder on Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:51 am

Very sinister revelations in today's (Sunday) Observer

It seems that Liam Fox and his pal Adam Werritty have strong links to right wing groups in the United States, which has led to new accusations that David Cameron is allowing a right wing agenda to flourish in the heart of government.

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The fallout from this week's revelations has exposed the connections to a group of lobbyists, climate change deniers and war mongerers.

The Observer newspaper has also discovered that Liam Fox's so called charity "Atlantic Bridge" had a board of directors and staff who were all involved in the defence and energy industry, some were major investors in the defence industry and in gambling.

Mr Fox's so-called charity was wound up last year after a critical report into its activities by the Charity Commission. It was found to have close links via a "partnership" with a US organisation called "American Legaslative Exchange Council", which once again is funded by big business, mainly defence companies, the pharmaceutical industry and the oil industry.

The American Legaslative Exchange Council's largest donor also happens to be one of the largest donors to the Tea Party Movement, an organisation known for its right wing agenda and climate change deniers; in this morning's Observer newspaper there are some uncomfortable questions for David Cameron.

The credibility of the Conservative Party's so-called "born again" green credentials are now seriously called into question. In 2006 Mr Cameron went to the Arctic for a photo shoot with huskies to emphasize his new green policies, whilst at the same time his shadow ministers have their feet firmly under the table with climate change deniers.



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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:43 pm

The Plastic Surgeon's Art : A 'New' Defence Secretary Emerges...

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Mel on Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:39 am

Michael Hintze a millionaire hedge fund baron who was a key backer of Liam Fox had hosted the new Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond, at a series of lavish fundraising dinners for the Conservative Party.

Michael Hintze, an Australian-born former Goldman Sachs banker, several times in the MPs' register of interests as a donor – including one for "£1,700 hospitality at Carlton Political Club Dinner" – before and after he became a Cabinet minister.

Mr Hintze, one of the richest men in the UK with an estimated fortune of £550 million, donated more than half the budget for a charity, Atlantic Bridge, set up by Liam Fox.

The new Defence Secretary is said to like Mr Hintze but does not know him particularly well. Laughing Laughing Laughing Surprised

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:56 pm

Liam Fox will receive a 'redundancy' payment of £17,000, plus relocation expenses, following his resignation from the post of Defence Secretary he had held for 16 months.....

If Camoron had had guts and sacked him he would not have been entitled to this cash.....

I always believed that redundancy payments were 1 weeks wages for each full year in the job.......

When are his constituents going to demand his resignation as an MP..........
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:37 pm

We've learnt something else from the demise of Brer Fox, which is that the Tory Party no longer has any newspaper that will automatically support it come hell or high water, as was previously the custom of e.g. The Times, Telegraph, Mail and Sun.

Most of our Press continues to be generally Right-wing, because of course that's where the monied people are, and nobody wants to upset them.
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Post by Mel on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:17 pm

"automatically" is the key word there OW.
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Post by jackthelad on Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:28 pm

astradt1 wrote:Liam Fox will receive a 'redundancy' payment of £17,000, plus relocation expenses, following his resignation from the post of Defence Secretary he had held for 16 months.....

If Camoron had had guts and sacked him he would not have been entitled to this cash.....

I always believed that redundancy payments were 1 weeks wages for each full year in the job.......

When are his constituents going to demand his resignation as an MP..........

There should never be a reward for a cock up. Does not matter whether he resigned or was fired, any normal worker would have been shown the door, and out of pocket as well, not leaving with jingling pockets.
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Post by astradt1 on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:40 pm

Why is these so much emphasis being placed on Liam Fox not having gained financially from his relationship with Werritty....This was not the reason for the first reports, it was about access to secret information.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by bobby on Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:33 pm

Well we have shot the Fox, now its time to aim a bit higher, and go for Herr Cameron, then go for the snakes belly and get Gideon.
I dont know about the rest of you, but have you ever seen such a poor display by any Prime Minister as we had today, he as usual couldnt answer any questions put by Edd Milliband, and had the bare faced cheek to accuse others of talking down the economy, when he himself turned that very thing into a bleeding science. When in opposition he constantly talked down not only the economy, but the Country as a whole, he has certainly put the hype into hypocrite.
Again not a lot of open support from his puppet Chopper Clegg, its now becoming the norm for the Lib-Dem snake to sit without showing any open support for "who was his hero", and I noticed a few Tory back benchers giving negative head nods at some of Camerons non answers.
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Post by jackthelad on Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:11 pm

I was watching the Chancellor, he didn't look too happy, his policies are going from bad to worse. There is only Estonia that is in a worse condition than us, got to look on the bright side, no country is has bad has Greece yet. Our unlikeable Chancellor is doing his best to get us there though.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:12 pm

There is of course no substitute for being in Power, but some Tories may now be wondering just how bad things might become between the last election and the next one. Brer Fox thinks that the Press are responsible!
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Post by astradt1 on Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:19 pm

Just when Camoron thought it was all over......................................

Sleaze watchdog plans Fox inquiry

David Cameron's hopes of drawing a line under the scandal surrounding Liam Fox were dealt a blow as Westminster's sleaze watchdog announced he will conduct a fresh probe into the former defence secretary's links with close friend Adam Werritty.

Standards Commissioner John Lyon will look into a complaint from Labour MP John Mann that Mr Werritty was allowed to live in a flat funded from Dr Fox's parliamentary allowances and to run the Atlantic Bridge charity from the MP's Commons office.

The announcement of Mr Lyon's inquiry came just hours after Mr Cameron attempted to brush off questions from Ed Miliband about the affair by telling the Labour leader he was jumping on a bandwagon that had already stopped.
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What that about bandwagon having stopped it looks like it was just a loo break.......
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Post by Ivan on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:34 am

Extracts from an article in 'The Bristol Evening Post':-

Liam Fox has been ordered to repay £3,000 of expenses after allowing his best man to live rent free at his taxpayer-funded second home. Parliamentary Standards Commissioner John Lyon said Adam Werritty had received "a considerable financial benefit" from using the North Somerset MP's London flat for a year. Fox was also criticised for allowing their Atlantic Bridge think tank to be run from his parliamentary offices for six years from 2003 to 2009.

After an inquiry by Mr Lyon, MPs on the cross-party Standards and Privileges Committee told Dr Fox to pay back £3,000 of his allowances and apologise in writing for breaking parliamentary rules. Mr Werritty, who came to prominence last year after promoting himself as an adviser to the then Cabinet minister, stayed at Dr Fox's London flat for a year from October 2002, giving the flat's address as his own when he registered a directorship with Companies House. Dr Fox told the commissioner that Mr Werritty stayed in a spare bedroom.

Mr Lyon said the Tory MP was "clearly, in my view, giving his friend a considerable financial benefit, made possible because of the claims which Dr Fox made against his parliamentary allowances to support him in his parliamentary duties". In relation to Atlantic Bridge, Mr Lyon said: "It is a matter of some concern that a member should think it is acceptable to use parliamentary resources for non-parliamentary purposes."


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Fox stated that his decision to remortgage his second home to pay for redecorations and claim the higher interest repayments on his expenses represented value for money because he could have charged the taxpayer for the decorating bills directly. That made him the Tory Shadow Cabinet member with the largest over-claim on expenses, and as a result, he has been forced to repay most of the money. It was reported in June 2009 that Fox had claimed expenses of more than £19,000 over the previous four years for his mobile phone.

Anyone involved in benefit fraud can expect the full force of the law to land on them, but multimillionaires like Fox get away with simply repaying what they stole and writing an apology. Fox is an extreme right-wing Thatcherite; as such he's opposed to the so-called 'something-for-nothing culture' and is supposed to believe in people standing on their feet, yet the hypocrite has tried to fleece the taxpayer for every penny he can get. But no doubt the Tory deadheads in North Somerset will dutifully trot out to the polling stations and re-elect this sleazy git at the next general election.

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Post by astra on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:15 pm

£60.00 a week for rent??


Who the f' are they trying to kid?

Rent in London is AT LEAST 4 times that!!
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:55 pm

The natural reaction of Toffs at seeing one of their own in trouble is to breathe, "There but for the Grace of God ...... " and let 'em off with a caution.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:30 am

He's May's Fox now.......  Rolling Eyes

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No one embodies this contradiction as much as the new international trade secretary, Liam Fox. He looks like a corporate sleeper cell implanted in government. In 2011, he resigned his post as defence secretary in disgrace after his extracurricular interests were exposed. He had set up an organisation called Atlantic Bridge, financed in large part by a hedge fund owner. It formed a partnership with a corporate lobbying group which is funded by tobacco, pharmaceutical and oil companies. Fox allowed a lobbyist to attend his official meetings and made misleading statements about these meetings, which were later disproved. It seems extraordinary that a man with such a past could have been brought back into government, let alone given such a crucial and sensitive role. Most newspapers have brushed his inconvenient history under the political carpet. He is, after all, their man.

People such as Fox appear to hate much of what others love about this country: the NHS, our public broadcasters, our social safety net, the protection of the countryside, the notion that power resides in the people rather than in corporations and their shadowy lobbyists. There are traitors in our midst, who would rip down our most treasured institutions on behalf of the transnational elite and its offshore holdings. This, it seems, is what they mean by taking back control
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:08 pm

We have imported a number of ideas from the US, including one that appears to gaining ever more strength, which is that NOTHING should be allowed to impede the right to make money in trade.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:25 pm

This is Liam Fox on his recent trip to India, hoping to set up post-Brexit trade deals.

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:28 pm

Just as well, perhaps, since Fox's audience don't seem very impressed by his words.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:12 am

George Monbiot writing about the odious Dr Liam Fox:-

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:37 am

Dr.Fox was interviewed this morning on the Radio 4 "Today" programme, from which it is clear he doesn't expect his colleagues to succeed in reaching an agreement with Brussels about either the single market or Customs Union. The good Doctor instead seeks agreement with the WTO for some kind of global partnership based upon enslaving British workers.

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