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Post by skwalker1964 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:21 am

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Latest YouGov results are apparently:

Con 30%
Lab 42%
LDem 6%
UKIP 10%

So the drop in Labour's lead to single-digits in a different poll earlier this week was a 'blip', seemingly - the change was within the margin of error and not significant.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by boatlady on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:16 pm

Ah there's the rub

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Post by Redflag on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:06 am

bobby wrote:Red, for the first time, the April cuts where mentioned in PMQ's. Lets hope Ed decides to fight Herr Cameron at his own level, and push into Herr Camerons face, all the lies and deciet. Ed will have plenty of time to be the Gentleman that he is after the 2015 General Election.

Bobby with the amount of LIES that Cameron has told in the last three years Ed would be there from now until 19 canteen, I think Ed is saving them up and has a time in mind to WALLOP Cameron right in the KIPPER with every LIE he has ever SPUN to the people of the UK.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:00 pm

oftenwrong wrote:I wonder what the Polls will say about a "Give-away Budget" widely expected in 2014?

Saturday's newspapers are full of rumour that Gideon is to "give" us £400 each in RBS shares.
Shades of Maggie's privatisation Fire Sale.

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:15 pm

From ukpollingreport.co.uk:

The monthly Ipsos MORI poll for the Evening Standard has topline figures of CON 30%(nc), LAB 42%(-1), LDEM 7%(-1), UKIP 9%(nc), GRN 4%(+1). Needless to say, there is no significant change from last month’s figures. Full tables are on MORI’s website here.

Meanwhile this morning’s YouGov poll for the Sun had topline figures of CON 32%, LAB 42%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 9%. After that brief blip following Cameron’s referendum pledge the YouGov daily poll seems to have settled down around about a 10 point Labour lead again.

I think the increase in the Green vote is interesting. The Greens under Natalie Ben are currently espousing some of the most unequivocally socialist policies, so it might support (as I do) the notion that Labour would only gain by being more emphatically radical in the ideas they put forward and in their refutation of ill-/unfounded coalition claims.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:21 pm

Some voters retain the wierd notion that a Socialist government will frighten away business-investors. Blair and Brown countered that successfully in 1997, but were criticised for stealing the Tories' trousers.

Ed and Ed now need an Election Manifesto that looks friendly to both Rich and Poor. Can it be really too difficult to try and keep everyone happy?
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ComRes bedroom tax poll

Post by skwalker1964 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:02 am

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COMRES/ SUNDAY PEOPLE POLL: MAJORITY OF BRITISH PEOPLE CALL FOR HALT TO THE BEDROOM TAX

A new ComRes poll for The Sunday People reveals that most of the British public want David Cameron to delay the ‘Bedroom Tax’ from going ahead in April.

A majority of those interviewed (52%) say David Cameron should delay the ‘Bedroom Tax’ from going ahead in April, including 35% of Conservative voters, whilst only 28% overall disagree. Many go further, with 45% saying the ‘Bedroom Tax’ should be abandoned altogether (including 65% of Labour voters) and that David Cameron should think of other ways to save money.

The poll reveals widespread public concern over the current implementation of the policy. Six in ten (60%) of the British public say no one should lose housing benefit unless they refuse to move into suitable smaller accommodation and more than three quarters of the public (77%) think that Army families should be excluded from paying the ‘Bedroom Tax’ if their children are away on tours of duty.

The impact of the current policy appears to be damaging to the Government’s reputation. Almost half (49%) think the ‘Bedroom Tax’ shows how out of touch the Government is with the lives of real people. 35% disagree.

Encouraging, but the 'against' figures should be even higher. They'll go up as the reality of this cut and the many others start to bite.
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:55 pm

From ukpollingreport.co.uk:

This week’s results for the YouGov/Sunday Times poll are online here. Topline voting intention stands at CON 32%, LAB 43%, LDEM 12%, UKIP 9% – so very much in line with the typical YouGov Labour lead of about 10 points. There’s no sign of any remaining effect from the EU referendum pledge here.

Horsemeat

Almost three quarters of people blame food manufacturers (26%) or meat processors (46%) the most for the horsemeat scandal, rather than retailers (11%) or the government (6%). While a majority of people think that there is more the government could be doing to keep the food chain secure, broadly speaking the government is seen to have handled the horsemeat scandal well – 47% say they have handled it well, 39% badly.

68% of people do not think there is any actual health risk from horsemeat getting into the food chain and 37% say that, if it was properly sourced, they would be prepared to eat horsemeat.

Relatively few people say that they will substantially change their behaviour as a result of the horsemeat scandal – only 5% say they might change which supermarket they use to they buy their groceries, only 13% that they will reduce the amount of meat or beef that they will buy. However, a third of people say that they will reduce the amount of *processed* meat they will buy. In reality all these are likely to be gross overestimates: it is much easier to say in a survey that you will change your behaviour than it is to do so in real life – in practice most people will probably continue as usual.

Eastern European Immigration

On the general principle of the freedom to work and live anywhere within the European Union, 33% of people think it is a good thing, 56% a bad thing.

On balance immigration from western European countries like France and Germany is seen as a positive thing (39% think it has had a positive effect on Britain, 16% a negative effect, 31% neither). Immigration from Eastern Europe and from outside the European Union are both seen as having had a negative effect on Britain by a majority of respondents.

70% of people think that the rules on immigration into Britain from the EU should be tougher, almost the same as the 73% who think the rules on immigration into Britain from outside the EU should be tougher. On the specifics of the extension of the right to live and work across the EU to Bulgarian and Romanian citizens, 20% of people think there is no problem with this and Britain should welcome them, 19% think it will have a negative impact on Britain but we have no choice but to meet our legal obligations, 48% think Britain should limit the right of Bulgarian and Romanian citizens to live and work in Britain, even if it means breaking the law.

Long term care and inheritance tax

52% of people say they support the government’s plans on capping the cost of long term with only 21% opposed. 50% of people say that it is right that the plans to reduce inheritance tax were shelved to fund the long term plans, 26% would rather they had been funded in some other way.
Asked a straight choice of whether they’d prefer inheritance tax to be reduced, or the cost of long term care to be reduced, far more people choose the later – 57% to 18%. This is particularly the case for older voters, people over the age of 60 say they would prefer a cut to long term care costs over a reduction in inheritance tax by 66% to 13%

Workfare

Finally, 76% of people support the principle of withdrawing benefits from unemployed people who refuse to work. On the more specific recent court case, 55% of people think the government should be able to withdraw benefits from unemployed people who refuse to do unpaid work experience, 34% think they should not.

The percentage of people favouring workfare and failing to understand its exploitative nature is disappointing to me. The stability of Labour's lead over the Tories and the rapid dissipation of any 'bump' from the referendum announcement and Cameron's 'triumph' of a reduced EU budget (which had little to do with him anyway) are not!
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:00 pm

Meanwhile, the Lib-Dems said today they were confident of RETAINING Eastleigh.

Middle-income middle-managers in Middle England should clutch their wallets.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:59 am

oftenwrong wrote:Meanwhile, the Lib-Dems said today they were confident of RETAINING Eastleigh.

Middle-income middle-managers in Middle England should clutch their wallets.

Just to let my friends on the forum know I am going to Eastleigh on Sunday to help with the last push for Labour Win and will return on Friday 1st March, I am sorry but I can sit around no longer without trying to do something even to increase the Labour vote will help come the G.E. in 2015. So I hope Ivan and skywalker will forgive me for announcing on this page. cheers cheers cheers
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Post by skwalker1964 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:18 pm

Redflag wrote:
Just to let my friends on the forum know I am going to Eastleigh on Sunday to help with the last push for Labour Win and will return on Friday 1st March, I am sorry but I can sit around no longer without trying to do something even to increase the Labour vote will help come the G.E. in 2015. So I hope Ivan and skywalker will forgive me for announcing on this page. cheers cheers cheers

Good for you, hope it goes well! The papers are already busy trying to smear John O'Farrell, so they must be worried.
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Post by boatlady on Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:44 pm

Good on yer, Redflag - I'm sure you'll make a difference.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:00 pm

boatlady wrote:Good on yer, Redflag - I'm sure you'll make a difference.

Thank you skywalker and boatlady I will be staying at the travel lodge within Eastleigh and because I live in Glasgow its the only direct way is by coach train is two changes with my case with everything in it including the kitchen sink. I will give John O'Farrell and his team the best wishes of this forum because knowing you lot I am sure that your thoughts and best wishes are with them.

I take it Ivan and skywalker you have forgiven me for putting this announcement on this thread. cheers
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:48 pm

Power to your elbow, Redflag.

Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:41 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Power to your elbow, Redflag.

Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em
Sock it to 'em, sock it to 'em

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Post by tlttf on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:03 pm

Lets see, the man who wished the Argies had beaten us in the Falklands, the man that wished Thatcher had been blown up. Hardly a glowing picture of a so-called socialist that believes in fairness for all. Yep lets all go to Eastleigh, perhaps he'll tell a few good jokes.

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:33 pm

Well, anyone who believes in fairness might wish that Margaret Thatcher had been born somewhere else, less impressionable.
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Post by skwalker1964 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:15 pm

Do I wish Mrs Thatcher dead? No.

Do I think it would have been a lesser evil than everything that she caused in her political life? Certainly.
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Post by Ivan on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:31 pm

Lets see, the man who wished the Argies had beaten us in the Falklands, the man that wished Thatcher had been blown up. Hardly a glowing picture of a so-called socialist that believes in fairness for all. Yep lets all go to Eastleigh, perhaps he'll tell a few good jokes.
tlttf. LOL. True to form – straight out of your bible ‘The Daily Mail’ – typical snidey comments that we’ve come to expect from you. If it’s in that crap paper, “it must be the truth”, I suppose? The Tories seem to be rattled if they have to drag up something that John O’Farrell said in 1984 and has long since retracted. Who was it complaining about “not one original thought”?

For my part, I wish that Thatcher had been blown to smithereens in Brighton in 1984. It would have been for the greater good if that evil witch, who sold off so many state assets and presided over the greatest increase in inequality on record, had received her just desserts.

As to the Falklands, I don’t see how claiming a territory in 1776 and then neglecting it for the next 57 years amounts to a legitimate claim to sovereignty. On that basis, because the Americans put a flag there in 1969, the moon belongs to them. The UK has no more right to own the Falklands than Argentina, and that war was just a vehicle to transform Thatcher’s fortunes when she was hated in the UK more than any previous PM. And let's never forget that in 1980, Thatcher was trying to get rid of the Falkland Islands to save money.

The 905 lives lost in that senseless war were no doubt "a price well worth paying" to the Tories. The sinking of the Belgrano – when it was outside of the 200-mile exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands on the night before the UN was to unveil a peace proposal – says it all. Thatcher is a war criminal who should be spending her last days rotting in jail.

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Post by sickchip on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:31 pm

Thatcher created huge divides in society (it does exist) and promoted rampant, and unjustifiable, levels of inequality by cutting the top tax rate from 83% to 40% between '79 to '88. A disgustingly biased policy that has led us into our present economic state.......whereby the low paid need welfare top ups and the rich continue abusing their wealth and power.

Thatcher created catastrophic levels of inequality and imbalance in SOCIETY. We are still feeling the effects now and things will carry on getting worse because of what she helped instigate. She and her kind are disgusting criminal filth.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:21 pm

Ivan wrote:
Lets see, the man who wished the Argies had beaten us in the Falklands, the man that wished Thatcher had been blown up. Hardly a glowing picture of a so-called socialist that believes in fairness for all. Yep lets all go to Eastleigh, perhaps he'll tell a few good jokes.
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As to the Falklands, I don’t see how claiming a territory in 1776 and then neglecting it for the next 57 years amounts to a legitimate claim to sovereignty....

Thatcher is a war criminal who should be spending her last days rotting in jail.


As has been said many times, those who ignore History are condemned to repeat it ad infinitum.

When Katherine of Aragon married our Henry VIII, part of her dowry was the International City of Tangier. British troops duly took possession, but had not the remotest idea what they wanted to do with it, so in the custom of the times they set light to it and withdrew.

Ring a bell?
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:37 pm

tlttf wrote:Lets see, the man who wished the Argies had beaten us in the Falklands, the man that wished Thatcher had been blown up. Hardly a glowing picture of a so-called socialist that believes in fairness for all. Yep lets all go to Eastleigh, perhaps he'll tell a few good jokes.

I with Millions of others did say the same thing if not they thought it, like my self I thought they had gotten the wrong ones in the bombing in Brighton Hotel it would have saved the UK the EFFING MESS she left the UK in, after selling off OUR Utilities to her friends in the City of London in other words the B(W)ankers of the world.

Yes I am off to Eastleigh too to TRY and stop the smug arrogant Posh boys that do not know the price of a "Pint of Milk"
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Post by blueturando on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:39 pm

I will give John O'Farrell and his team the best wishes of this forum because knowing you lot I am sure that your thoughts and best wishes are with them.

I would also like to pass on best wishes from this Forum and my fellow Tory posters to the Conservative candidate Maria Hutchings

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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:02 pm

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" Maria - I have a note here from a chap called Phil Hornby, who wishes you all the best - for sixth place..."
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Meanwhile, the Eastleigh Canvassing is in Full Swing...

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Post by blueturando on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:32 pm

Lol.....genuinely funny Phil and thanks for cheering up a usually dull Tuesday Smile

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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:05 pm

blueturando wrote:
I will give John O'Farrell and his team the best wishes of this forum because knowing you lot I am sure that your thoughts and best wishes are with them.

I would also like to pass on best wishes from this Forum and my fellow Tory posters to the Conservative candidate Maria Hutchings

Your to late blue she has already put her foot right into her own mouth, along with the cuts her gov't is bringing in I think PH hit the nail on the head with his pictures well done PH
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:29 pm

Cameron's Electoral Advantage

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:31 pm

The Conservative candidate is carrying more baggage than a Hotel Porter.
Pro-life, anti-abortion, child in Private Education, opposed to homes-construction around Eastleigh, and once branded David Cameron a "sell-out" for entering into a coalition with Nick Clegg.

Must be a shoo-in.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:58 pm

blueturando. You are out of order in trying to pass on “the best wishes of this forum” to Maria Hutchings, when the vast majority of our members do not wish the ‘Sarah Palin of the south coast’ well. That odious woman is against equal marriage, the EU, immigration and abortion. She has upset teachers with her remarks about state schools, which are obviously only good enough for the plebs and not snotty-nosed Tories like her. By saying that her son needed private schooling to become a surgeon, she’s upset some medics as well. Eight doctors have signed an open letter criticising Hutchings:-

“As GPs and surgeons who all started their education at state-funded schools, we are proof that Maria Hutchings' assertions are not true. The education system in this country provided us with the knowledge and skills we needed to follow our dream career. It's such a shame that Conservatives like Maria Hutchings want to do our education system down instead of sending the message that whatever your background, you can achieve what you set out to do in life.”

Maria Hutchings has described the coalition with the Lib Dems as “a pact with the devil”. Presumably she thinks that the barely noticeable influence of the Lib Dems on the Tories has inhibited this extreme right-wing government from taking us even further into fascism, despite the fact that the Tories didn't win the last election outright.

Ed Miliband has accused Hutchings of ignorance and said that she has insulted every pupil and teacher at state schools “including those in Eastleigh”. If anyone wants to know any more about the disgusting bigot, here are two links:-

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Redflag is putting her money where her mouth is and going to Eastleigh to support John O’Farrell for the last few days of the by-election campaign. She can’t “speak for the forum” any more than you can, but she can personally convey the best wishes of the majority of our members to him.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:25 pm

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Post by skwalker1964 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:43 pm

Ivan wrote:blueturando. You are out of order in trying to pass on “the best wishes of this forum” to Maria Hutchings, when the vast majority of our members do not wish the ‘Sarah Palin of the south coast’ well.

To be fair to blue, I think it was fairly obvious he knew that and had his tongue firmly in his cheek Smile

Couldn't agree more with your other points!
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Post by Redflag on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:11 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:The Glamour Girls Hit Town

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" Yes, Maria - I was as shocked as you when I discovered that the criteria for Tory women candidates included the necessity to have a face like a pig's bottom..."

PH I thought to be a female candidate for the tory party you had to sleep with Dick Head DORIS.
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Post by skwalker1964 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:33 pm

From ukpollingreport.co.uk:

A quick update on the latest voting intention polling. TNS-BMRB’s weekly poll has topline figures of CON 29%(-2), LAB 38%(-3), LD 11%(+1), UKIP 12%(+2), Others 10% (changes are from a week ago).

Meanwhile this morning’s YouGov poll for the Sun had topline figures of CON 32%, LAB 41%, LDEM 12%, UKIP 8%.

This morning’s Times had some claims about polling conducted by UKIP in Eastleigh. I would advise totally ignoring any claims about “private polling” from political parties unless they cough up the tables so you can see if they were playing a straight bat. More often than not party claims about their “polling” in elections actually means their canvas returns. I’ve dropped a line to the various polling companies just to check none of them have any tables to release under the BPC disclosure rules, but thus far no one seems to have done anything.
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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:01 am


SK Walker,

In comparison to the United States, the United Kingdom is resource poor. That’s been true since the establishment of the first North American English colony on what is now American USV soil in 1607 at Jamestown. In fact, I’ve read that British commercial shipping and the rise of the Royal Navy during the wooden ship era would not have been possible without North American lumber.

One key such resource is space. Y’all are crowded together by American standards. I’ll not pull the figures now, but compare Texas’ area and population with the UK’s area and population and perhaps you’ll gasp out loud as I did when I looked at those figures. From over here, it appears that y’all are running out of living space, “elbow room”, in the words of Daniel Boone, and that perhaps y’all’s Tory government’s “bedroom tax” has its motivation solidly rooted in cruel reality.

Question: If your Queen had called Labour to form a government, would the theoretical Labour government institute a “bedroom tax” under any circumstances for any reason? I ask this question for two “over here” reasons, (1), President Obama’s State of the Union message and Senator Rubio’s Republican response differed primarily in means to solve problems rather than identification of those problems, and (2), in the US system, a minority Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government, what we call an “administration”, would be impossible.

Looking at the poll results from your post of 19 February 2013 at 22:33, the Lib-Democrats shouldn’t be players; with a 10% “cut”, that’s not even a significant third party, and they aren’t even third, they’re fourth, for God’s sake. It’s clear that they are puppets to their Tory masters in this unholy alliance that has served to enslave We the People of the United Kingdom to a government that derives its unjust powers from somewhere other than from the consent of the governed.

To me, that’s the core of y’all’s problem, and policies such as the “bedroom tax” ought to wake y’all up to the need for deep reform in your current system of forming a government. A change to a government “of the people, by the people, for the people” wouldn’t make y’all’s paucity of living space disappear, but perhaps such a government, deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed, a principle y’all taught us, would seek a solution more in line with the people’s desires.


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Re: Latest polls

Post by skwalker1964 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:25 am

RockOnBrother wrote:One key such resource is space. Y’all are crowded together by American standards. I’ll not pull the figures now, but compare Texas’ area and population with the UK’s area and population and perhaps you’ll gasp out loud as I did when I looked at those figures. From over here, it appears that y’all are running out of living space, “elbow room”, in the words of Daniel Boone, and that perhaps y’all’s Tory government’s “bedroom tax” has its motivation solidly rooted in cruel reality.

Hi Rock,

Compared to the US we're crowded, but in reality not that much. The amount of the UK that's actually built on is in single figures. The problem's been driven first by the sell-off of social housing stocks under Thatcher, and then the failure by successive governments (including Labour) to replace that stock when the economy was booming. The current government is going at the problem from exactly the wrong direction - trying to reshuffle people into smaller accommodation is pointless when that smaller accommodation doesn't exist. It amounts to nothing more or less than a penalty for being poor.

By contrast, a house-building programme would actually start to solve the root-cause of the issue and at the same time boost the economy by providing jobs. At the same time, by improving supply it would bring down the cost of existing housing/rents - which would result in more people being able to afford accommodation without government assistance, thereby reducing the drain on the Treasury, who currently supplies housing benefits to people whose income is insufficient (even working more than one job in many cases) to pay exorbitant rents. This wouldn't suit the current government, who view predatory landlords as 'entrepreneurs', but it would start to actually solve the problem.

Question: If your Queen had called Labour to form a government, would the theoretical Labour government institute a “bedroom tax” under any circumstances for any reason?

I'd hope not. One of my bones of contention with certain people within the shadow government is that they grant the government's premise on the economy and spending far too readily. If those elements held sway, they might countenance some kind of move - but I doubt it would resemble its current form under any circumstances. It's too obviously a penalty on poverty.

I ask this question for two “over here” reasons, (1), President Obama’s State of the Union message and Senator Rubio’s Republican response differed primarily in means to solve problems rather than identification of those problems, and (2), in the US system, a minority Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government, what we call an “administration”, would be impossible.

Looking at the poll results from your post of 19 February 2013 at 22:33, the Lib-Democrats shouldn’t be players; with a 10% “cut”, that’s not even a significant third party, and they aren’t even third, they’re fourth, for God’s sake.

True, except things work over here such that the poll percentage is only significant inasmuch as it translates into parliamentary seats. UKIP have an improved percentage in the polls but in practice, so far at least, that has never been sufficient to win them a single seat. The LibDems have slipped overall - but still have enough support in some areas to win seats (and in the last general election, before the 'great betrayal', they had about 25% of the vote, as I recall, and some 53 seats - I'm working from memory here). I fully expect them to be a ghost presence in parliamentary terms from the next election - with UKIP possibly winning one or two seats at most.

It’s clear that they are puppets to their Tory masters in this unholy alliance that has served to enslave We the People of the United Kingdom to a government that derives its unjust powers for somewhere other than from the consent of the governed.

Amen to that!

To me, that’s the core of y’all’s problem, and policies such as the “bedroom tax” ought to wake y’all up to the need for deep reform in your current system of forming a government. A change to a government “of the people, y the people, for the people” wouldn’t make y’all’s paucity of living space disappear, but perhaps such a government, deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed, a principle y’all taught us, would seek a solution more in line with the people’s desires.

In some ways, I agree. The 'paucity of living space' is relative rather than absolute - we have plenty of space, just not enough dwellings on the space. A change of the system of government will undoubtedly come eventually, but for the foreseeable future the best hope of people for a more just society is an emboldened Labour party offering a genuine alternative economic paradigm. Those of us who belong to the party need to push to make sure it does so.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by skwalker1964 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:38 pm

This (from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is interesting. It allows you to enter the latest voting trend poll figures and get an idea of the likely result if those figures carried through to an election:

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Even more interestingly, the figures are based on the boundaries according to the boundary review, which will not now happen until after 2015, if they happen at all - and which were expected to give a 20-seat advantage to the Tories. So the current poll numbers translate to an even more emphatic Labour majority.

Of course, that all assumes that the current figures carry through to the next election. It's up to all Labour members and supporters to make sure that they do - or swing even further.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by Ivan on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:03 pm

There are 14 candidates in the Eastleigh by-election:-

Colin Bex – Wessex Regionalists
David Bishop – Elvis Loves Pets Party
Jim Duggan – The Peace Party
Ray Hall – Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party
Howling “Laud” Hope – Monster Raving Loony William Hill Party
Maria Hutchings - Tory
Diane James – UKIP
Iain McClenann – National Health Action
Kevin Milburn – Christian Party "Proclaiming Christ's Lordship"
John O'Farrell - Labour
Daz Proctor – Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts
Danny Stupple – Independent
Mike Thornton - Liberal Democrats
Michael Walters – The English Democrats – “Putting England First!”

It’s a great pity that the anti-government vote will be fragmented between 12 candidates. I’m particularly sad to see the NHA (a single-issue party) and the TUSC standing.

I hope I’m wrong, but if I went in for betting my money would be on the Liberal Democrats to retain the seat. Their candidate is a local councillor, they have far more canvassers than the other parties, and there is evidence that some natural Labour supporters will still vote tactically for them despite all their betrayals.

The Tories told all their MPs that they must visit Eastleigh at least three times during the campaign, but some of the local Tories are already admitting defeat, no doubt realising that having ‘the Sarah Palin of the south coast’ as their candidate is a liability.

I expect John O’Farrell to substantially increase the 10% of the votes which Labour had in 2010, and we can be proud of our very own Redflag who is staying in Eastleigh for the last few days of the campaign to give John what help she can.

Polling day is Thursday 28 February.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by skwalker1964 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:49 pm

Agree with your conclusion, Ivan. A LibDem hold is marginally better than a Tory win, but the lesser of two evils is still an evil.

But if Redflag goes in with the customary passion she shows here, who knows - maybe she can work some wonders? Smile
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Re: Latest polls

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:50 pm

Polling day is Thursday 28 February.

I'd just like to mention that I have a Dentist appointment on that date which has a much simpler forecast outcome. Can less really be more?
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Re: Latest polls

Post by Redflag on Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:44 pm

skwalker1964 wrote:Agree with your conclusion, Ivan. A LibDem hold is marginally better than a Tory win, but the lesser of two evils is still an evil.

But if Redflag goes in with the customary passion she shows here, who knows - maybe she can work some wonders? Smile

Thank you Ivan and Skywalker for your best wishes I promise you both I will not leave any stone unturned to get a Labour win, the difference between me and the Tory or L/D I WILL TEL THE VOTERS THE TRUTH, something the Tories and L/Ds know nothing about, in fact I think they believe it is a swear word just all of you keep the Labour and John in your prayers and keep your fingers crossed for the Labour win in Eastleigh.
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Re: Latest polls

Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:59 pm

It comes to something when one would wllingly tolerate a LibDem success, but if the alternative is victory for that repulsive pig-faced Tory woman , even having one's fingernails removed by pliers without anaesthetic would be preferable.

I admire our colleague Redflag's commitment to the cause of her party, although I fear all that can be achieved is 'a good showing'. Were I - as a non-party supporting person- voting, I would have to give considerable thought to placing my cross against the name of the Beer,Baccy and Crumpet candidate. This is despite my being a non-smoker and a very moderate drinker. And, if Mrs Hornby should access this thread at any time, I am naturally not in the least attracted by the third limb of said party. Honest..... Shocked
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