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Cameron is obnoxious and loathsome

Post by Ivan on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:40 pm

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We were warned two years ago that Cameron is an obnoxious and loathsome individual, but not enough people were listening:-
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by methought on Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:37 pm

Gold goes up and down in value like any other commodity - the international Gold Standard is only an aspiration for people who have a lot of the stuff. Gold, however, like anything else, is only valuable if people want it, and now the value is dropping again world-wide.

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Ivan on Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:53 pm

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The politics of envy is crass and embarrassing.
‘The politics of envy’ is a meaningless but spiteful soundbite employed by wealthy Tories who don't want to pay their share in society. The only countries in which the richest 1% ‘earn’ more than in Britain are Argentina, Singapore, South Africa and the USA. ‘The politics of justice’ might be a more appropriate description of the justified objections to this inequality. This subject has been discussed at some length on the following thread:-
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We need a Keynes….....Labour isn't working, as I think someone once said.
Keynes is long dead, but his ideas are still available. He’s noted for saying “look after unemployment and the budget will look after itself”. The crazed right-wing ideologue who said "Labour isn’t working" – when unemployment was 1.4 million – managed to raise that figure to 3.2 million in just four years, so I shouldn’t be in too much of a hurry to quote anything she said.

This little gold-fish bowl of back-patting here reminds me of Labour Party in-fighting.
That sounds contradictory. People don’t usually pat each other on the back when they’re fighting, do they?
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:02 pm

Who would like to be in Gideon Osborne's shoes next Thursday?
Figures to be issued on the Economy are expected to confirm the anticipated "triple-dip" recession.

Flashback to Budget day 2010:
"Fitch's preliminary assessment of today's Budget is that it sets out an ambitious deficit reduction path that, if delivered upon, will materially strengthen confidence in UK public finances and its 'AAA' status."

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:07 pm

It has reallly come to something when the Tories can't even now manage one of their famous 'fiddled figures' escapes from impending criticism... Shocked
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Ivan on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:35 pm

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Who would like to be in Gideon Osborne's shoes next Thursday?
I suspect that he’s fireproof. As someone posted on Twitter, “he’s still got the photographs”…… Shocked

Some of you may be aware of a story which was circulating on the internet years ago and which, without proof, I wouldn’t dare to repeat on here. Suffice is to say that certain people, such as Osborne and Jeremy Hunt, will never be sacked by Cameron, even though both should have been shown the door long ago.

You will recall how the issue of Hunt and his 161 emails to James Murdoch appeared to be threatening Hunt’s ministerial career last year. Sonia Poulton, the token left-winger on ‘The Daily Mail’, said at that time: “Hunt has the look of a person who knows he's safe because his boss has more to hide on this issue than he does”. When are Brooks and Coulson due to go on trial?
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:20 am

oftenwrong wrote:Who would like to be in Gideon Osborne's shoes next Thursday?
Figures to be issued on the Economy are expected to confirm the anticipated "triple-dip" recession.

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"Fitch's preliminary assessment of today's Budget is that it sets out an ambitious deficit reduction path that, if delivered upon, will materially strengthen confidence in UK public finances and its 'AAA' status."

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We are now waiting for the last shoe to drop (third credit rating agency) maybe they will oblige and announce it Thursday give Osbourn something real to cry about when Cameron hands him his P45.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:57 am

But can't we visualise a convenient 0.1% growth increase - just to ensure that Ossie doesn't have to face the 'triple-dip' tag...?
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Mel on Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:20 pm

Coulson and Brooks will face trial in September next year.

That's September 2014, only eight months before the general election.
Plenty plenty time for Cameron and Gideon to do their worst before being ejected from power, which is inevitable, irrespective of the outcome of the trial and they know it. Job done with no expectation of re-election, from word go.

Whatever it is that Hunt (who was allowed to easily wriggle off the hook) and weeping Gideon have on Cameron is unlikely not to come out for decades, if ever at all IMO.

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by methought on Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:19 pm

Hi Ivan

It is this government that is scoring points out of the politics of envy every time, but Labour falls for the same trick when whingeing about the 1% having 90% of the wealth.

There is a need for a system to be identified which can reestablish fairness without battle lines being drawn and the poor being the losers outright.

Being right and having a better idea are 2 very different things.
Labour needs a new Keynes, or an updated British socialism, that won't find the country ousted from the global game which the spivs and gamblers are currently playing on our behalf.

Yes it would be nice if Labour could stand up and point out exactly where the lies have been told. Yes it would be nice if they could show how their policies would have worked better had they been elected. What we have instead is Balls-up saying how he would have cut the deficit more slowly, leaving a bigger deficit than the Tories aim to leave us with.

What about growth? Where is investment in the young and skill-less going? What think-tank is offering prizes for the best inventions to allow patented high-tec novelty to be a British standard?

Labour is still on paternity leave, it seems.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by bobby on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:37 pm

methought You are absolutely correct, I have said similar before but was greeted with “Labour are keeping their powder dry” and “ it wouldn’t do to let the Coalition know what their policies are” and wait till april when the cuts to welfare take hold. I must admit I actually agree with those posters.
What I want and expect from Labour is exactly the same as you. The time has come to show some teeth, and they don’t need to disclose policy to do that, but as you say and I have said before and been shot down by my fellow Labour supporters, the lies and deceit of this Tory led Coalition need to be shouted from the rooftops at every opportunity, I really can’t see just what they are waiting for, if its for the Tories to go to sleep, I’m afraid they will have at least two years to wait for that to happen, Labour desperately need to up their game, and should have done before now.
Each day they wait is a day wasted and another day for Herr Cameron to use to his benefit and lie some more.
I don’t know how some Labour supporters can be so gullible, I thought it was the Tory Sycophants who followed blindly. Every Labour supporter lost will have to be re won as I fear they wont follow Ed Miliband until he starts to engage with the Government on their failures and dishonesty. Its futile having a party political broadcast demonstrating Ed’s origins it where he ends that I am concerned with and I’m afraid that if he doesn’t up his game now, it will be too late.
Every day that Labour do bugger all regarding taking this evil Tory led Coalition Government to task will make it more difficult for themselves for the 2015 Election.


If they are not demonstrating Her Cameron's dishonesty, people may start to thing there hasn't been any. As I said before, until the Labour Party do up their game I will withhold renewing my Party Membership, which is now overdue.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:46 am

bobby wrote:methought You are absolutely correct, I have said similar before but was greeted with “Labour are keeping their powder dry” and “ it wouldn’t do to let the Coalition know what their policies are” and wait till april when the cuts to welfare take hold. I must admit I actually agree with those posters.
What I want and expect from Labour is exactly the same as you. The time has come to show some teeth, and they don’t need to disclose policy to do that, but as you say and I have said before and been shot down by my fellow Labour supporters, the lies and deceit of this Tory led Coalition need to be shouted from the rooftops at every opportunity, I really can’t see just what they are waiting for, if its for the Tories to go to sleep, I’m afraid they will have at least two years to wait for that to happen, Labour desperately need to up their game, and should have done before now.
Each day they wait is a day wasted and another day for Herr Cameron to use to his benefit and lie some more.
I don’t know how some Labour supporters can be so gullible, I thought it was the Tory Sycophants who followed blindly. Every Labour supporter lost will have to be re won as I fear they wont follow Ed Miliband until he starts to engage with the Government on their failures and dishonesty. Its futile having a party political broadcast demonstrating Ed’s origins it where he ends that I am concerned with and I’m afraid that if he doesn’t up his game now, it will be too late.
Every day that Labour do bugger all regarding taking this evil Tory led Coalition Government to task will make it more difficult for themselves for the 2015 Election.


If they are not demonstrating Her Cameron's dishonesty, people may start to thing there hasn't been any. As I said before, until the Labour Party do up their game I will withhold renewing my Party Membership, which is now overdue.

Bobby & methought I think you will find that once the Tories bring out there spending review in 26th June, then the Labour party will bring out there POLICIES for the next general election. If you have noticed the Tories and Lib-Dems are DESPERATE to know the Labour policies and I don't think you need to be the brightest button in the box to work out WHY they are so desperate to know, with there own policies getting the UK nowhere more like getting us more into debt and top ecomomist damning Osbourn's Plan A for AUSTERITY making things worse and these voices are growing louder and growing in numbers too.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:11 am

Evidently I've misunderstood. The recommended way to win a hand of Poker is to reveal your cards from the start.
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Post by Mel on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:37 am

"Every day that Labour do bugger all regarding taking this evil Tory led Coalition Government to task will make it more difficult for themselves for the 2015 Election."

A valid point bobby. However, I think our friend Red has also made a valid point along with that bloke who's supposed to be often wrong is more than often right as in this case. Smile
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by bobby on Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:08 pm

Hello Red. OW has as usual spelt it out perfectly. The last thing I want is for Ed Miliband to reveal what policies they have. Lets be honest as the economic situation changes on an almost daily occurrence, how can Labour formulate a policy written in stone. What we need to be hearing though is the taking to task every bit of Coalition bullshit, but what we are getting is a Labour party being played like a fiddle by Herr Cameron in that instead of attacking the Government, they allow this evil Coalition to chose almost every battlefield.

We get rammed down our throats Labour said this, Labour did that, and Labour’s response is to regurgitate something from Tory history.

I personally don’t care who said what over twenty years ago, what I care is what is being said now. Each time a Coalition politician opens their gob with a lie, Labour need to immediately disprove said lie in the loudest possible way and keep on disproving it.

What labour seem to be forgetting is that they are in opposition, therefore the need for shed loads of diplomacy aren’t required, its Herr Cameron who is travelling the world meeting many of the other leaders, Ed can be as diplomatic as he wants once the election is won, but until then I want to see some bare knuckle fighting, we know that Herr Cameron has a weakness and that is he can not handle being challenged, we see that every time he is on PMQ’s. This is one way Labour can attack, Iain Dumkopf Schmidt also has a short fuse, the same can be done to him.

How can we expect the public to openly fight this Tory led coalition, when we don’t see the party we support doing the same. If they want support, they need to earn it, it wont be given Gratis.


Yesterday I had the sickening experience of watching a Lib-Dem political Broadcast made by the biggest liar of them all “Clegg“, he whittered on about how they are the party of the people and have bought fairness to the country, and then spent most of the time going on about a fictitious £600 pa the lower paid will benefit, what the two faces bastard forgot to mention was the rise in VAT will take that away and that inflation will leave them even worse off. What sickens me is that some people out there believe what they are being told because it doesn’t get challenged and the truth put forward.
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Post by Mel on Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Exactly right bobby, Cameron and his cronies including blue saffron Clegg need to be hounded at every turn, just as poor old Brown was hammered day in day out until the public were drip fed.
The only thing I can think of as to why Labour are so silent in this respect is perhaps they realise as we do, that Joe public have short memories and it may be felf a better option to hit out at everthing nearer the election. Then it will not be forgotten by Joe public and would make a massive impact at the right time. Simples Smile
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:29 pm

People are so unfair on the Labour Party.

They have so many good ideas and policies to bring a brighter future to Britain yet voters seem determined to judge them on their last 13 years of government. Smile

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Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:48 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Evidently I've misunderstood. The recommended way to win a hand of Poker is to reveal your cards from the start.

Your right on the button OW, that is why the Labour party will not give the Tory party what they are desperate for, they have went to Thatchers old papers to get there policies as we have all found out with there cuts, because they are too thick or too stuck on Tory Ideology either way they want to get there hands on the Labour parties so that they can POO POO them. I think they have worked out that come May 2015 they will be out on there A**ES and forever known as the "One Term Firm".
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Post by blueturando on Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:57 pm

Here is a news update for Redflag....

The Government is a coalition

The one term firm were in power for 18 years prior to Nu Labour

Just thought I would educate you Smile

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Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:54 pm

blueturando wrote:Here is a news update for Redflag....

The Government is a coalition

The one term firm were in power for 18 years prior to Nu Labour

Just thought I would educate you Smile

This is Redflag TRUE update for blue.

This gov't is a ~Tory led gov't Tories 305 seats L/Ds 57 seats

And most of the UK paid for every one of those 18 years, but it was her OWN party and the POLL TAX that brought her down.

I do not know if you are interested the Tories could not educate themselves never mind educate anybody else.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:48 pm

blueturando wrote:-
The Government is a coalition
Only when it wants to hide behind its utter incompetence and abject failure.

We have the most right-wing, ideologically-driven and corrupt government in living memory. We have a Tory PM, a Tory Chancellor, a Tory Home Secretary, a Tory Foreign Secretary, a Tory Education Secretary, a Tory Health Secretary and a Tory Defence Secretary - and you call that a 'coalition'?

Yes, Cameron duped the Lib Dems - the party that offered the voters the most left-wing manifesto of the three major parties in 2010 - into propping him up, in return for raising the starting threshold for income tax (which was instantly negated by a rise in VAT). He duped the party which pledged to abolish student tuition fees into agreeing to treble them within six months of the election. But this aint no 'coalition', it's a spectacularly nasty Tory government, full of liars, sociopaths, ideologues and Murdoch stooges, and we'll make sure that everyone is reminded of that at the next election.
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Post by Redflag on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:05 am

You know what will happen Ivan your post will be denied as FALSE and full of inacurate facts, even the personnel tax allowance the Lib-Dems claim to have got for the low paid is a falicy the majority of people where not earning enough to pay any tax at all, so those at the top would be the beneficiary of that increase in tax allowance that is the only reason the Tories put that through.
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Post by Deadly Nightshade on Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:07 am

blueturando wrote:

The one term firm were in power for 18 years prior to Nu Labour

Thought this should be emphasized key word being "were" Very Happy
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Post by Redflag on Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:38 pm

Deadly Nightshade wrote:
blueturando wrote:

The one term firm were in power for 18 years prior to Nu Labour

Thought this should be emphasized key word being "were" Very Happy

I suppose DN that they think they will get another 18 years in power, they will be VERY LUCKY to see this term out never mind another one.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:24 pm

The smart money is still upon another "hung parliament" resulting from the next General Election.

Hung Parliament? They should be!

Incidentally, an American in Utah claims to possess a McDonald's Hamburger that looks the same as when he purchased it 14 years ago. Hope that doesn't give Cameron any ideas of carrying on for ever. It was his neighbour, Lord Chadlington (née Selwyn Gummer) who force-fed burgers to a daughter.

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Post by Deadly Nightshade on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:20 am

Redflag wrote:
I suppose DN that they think they will get another 18 years in power, they will be VERY LUCKY to see this term out never mind another one.

Struggling to cope with the idea that they will spend another 18 months in power Redflag let alone them hoping for a repeat of the 1980s/90s reign


oftenwrong wrote:The smart money is still upon another "hung parliament" resulting from the next General Election.
Hung Parliament? They should be!


Should be nominated as "Thought of the Day" for tomorrow I put forwards the idea to "Pinata Government" but not Clegg, he seems to have been beaten too much already lol!
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:59 pm

It seems to be suggested that the Tories have orchestrated a smear campaign against UKIP in the run-up to this week's local elections.

What nonsense! They have, of course, simply maintained a smear campaign against all their opponents, as they always do...! Shocked
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:36 pm

Conservative Central Office? Smear campaign?
Perish the thought.

They were full of encouragement when the Lib-Dems believed they might finally grasp PR, a couple of years ago.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:05 pm

But surely there have been some crossed wires?!

Ken Clarke seems to suggest that UKIP are a bunch of fruitcakes who are racist and who hate foreigners- especially immigrants. What greater attraction could they provide, therefore, for your average Tory voter...?
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Post by Redflag on Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:But surely there have been some crossed wires?!

Ken Clarke seems to suggest that UKIP are a bunch of fruitcakes who are racist and who hate foreigners- especially immigrants. What greater attraction could they provide, therefore, for your average Tory voter...?

I would think the attraction would be they have similar tastes PH the Tories hate the sick disabled and the unemployed, whereas UKIp just hate immigrants of every discription.
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:06 pm

Some UKIP fella on Pienaar's Politics this evening. Barking.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:13 pm

I had assumed that being of a suitably bonkers-related disposition was a prerequisite for UKIP candidacy.

It is clearly an alternative career option for those who fail to obtain that coveted safe Tory seat...
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:38 pm

Gosh! Who CAN a chap believe?
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Post by Redflag on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:52 am

Phil Hornby wrote:I had assumed that being of a suitably bonkers-related disposition was a prerequisite for UKIP candidacy.

It is clearly an alternative career option for those who fail to obtain that coveted safe Tory seat...

Looking for the bonkers-related disposition there will be plenty in the Tory party that fit that discription PH, they have already lost MPs and councillors to UKIP wonder if the Lib-Dems will think about joining when they lose their seats at the next G.E, loads of them are stark-raving bonkers.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:52 am

It must be all very confusing for the Right-wing Press. Do they support the Coalition or the anti-marketeers, supposing that there is even much real difference?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:17 pm

There must be much Murdoch-generated teeth-gnashing at present , given that the usually attractive prospect of a totally-Tonto UKIP can inflict unwelcome damage on an equally-deranged - but nonetheless arguably more stable- Tory Party.

I imagine a careful course must be steered on the matter, with the traditional fallback being adopted of simply painting the Labour Party as a bunch of communists who, in power, will confiscate one's property and give it to benefit claimants -especially those with foreign-sounding names...
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Post by Redflag on Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:53 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:There must be much Murdoch-generated teeth-gnashing at present , given that the usually attractive prospect of a totally-Tonto UKIP can inflict unwelcome damage on an equally-deranged - but nonetheless arguably more stable- Tory Party.

I imagine a careful course must be steered on the matter, with the traditional fallback being adopted of simply painting the Labour Party as a bunch of communists who, in power, will confiscate one's property and give it to benefit claimants -especially those with foreign-sounding names...

Or you could just let the Tories take everything you earn and give it to the wealthy and Millionaires.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:58 am

I am sorry to say Ivan but that is it in a nut shell, what is worse is the public have swallowed the LIE Hook Line and Sinker.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:06 am

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Gosh - look at the similarity of those profiles. Is there something we should be told...?
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:02 pm

I imagine a careful course must be steered on the matter, with the traditional fallback being adopted of simply painting the Labour Party as a bunch of communists who, in power, will confiscate one's property and give it to benefit claimants -especially those with foreign-sounding names....

Phil....Sometimes the truth hurts

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:03 pm

Or you could just let the Tories take everything you earn and give it to the wealthy and Millionaires

How does that work then Redflag? Just another baseless comment as usual

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