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Cameron is obnoxious and loathsome

Post by Ivan on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:40 pm

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We were warned two years ago that Cameron is an obnoxious and loathsome individual, but not enough people were listening:-
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:52 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Such a shame to delete a contribution when a poster has taken so much trouble to provide a target of himself.

It denies some of us the chance to mention how Mr Gove's cunning plans to improve that dreadful Labour education legacy will enable the nation to have a burgeoning number of highly-qualified youngsters who can't find a job under a Tory government...

Not unless they are prepared to work for button wages No paid holidays no workers rights, and a right winger for a boss and now you got to be grateful for that surely.

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by tlttf on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:41 am

Oh dear, obviously the facts don't sit well with certain realities and perceptions (by the way it was a socialist site it came from). My apologies for daring to post 15 lines and a link, hmmm does anybody else get their extracts deleted for going over the executive line. Never mind though keep stroking each others backs and fantasising that your speaking on behalf of the country rather than a few embittered posters. Embarassed

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:54 am

bobby wrote:Ivan, was he not the same geezer who fed his children beefburgers for the camera, in the height of the BSE scare.

Thank you Ivan & bobby I knew the name was ringing bells and I am certain other son's of Maggies Muppets are there Hurd is another one, bobby a good Labour friend of mine told me about the burger and I remember seeing it on tv news report was it his son that he fed the burger to so the son, so now I know why he looked out of it a touch of mad cow disease. cheers
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by boatlady on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:09 am

I still haven't heard or seen any positive piece of evidence in the shape of a written piece or a case study by a reputable unbiased observer that would convince me to vote Tory, although, with all the admitted imperfections of the Labour Party, the evidencr seems to indicate policies that are sincerely meant on the whole to benefit the country as a whole (I would except the Iraq War, and one or two bits of messing about with health care and education - but even these, the intentions may have been good)


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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:12 am

tlttf wrote:Oh dear, obviously the facts don't sit well with certain realities and perceptions (by the way it was a socialist site it came from). My apologies for daring to post 15 lines and a link, hmmm does anybody else get their extracts deleted for going over the executive line. Never mind though keep stroking each others backs and fantasising that your speaking on behalf of the country rather than a few embittered posters. Embarassed

You sound a tad embittered yourself, if its true maybe the reason is this forum is not run for the benefit of right wingers like some are, or maybe you are too used to getting your own way and do not like being told the truth which seems to run through right wingers ie the present gov't .

I have noticed your avatar and the catchphrase of yours is "I'LL Be Back" come May 2015 "You'LL Be Gone" and that is what is niggling you.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:08 am

Thank you Redflag for finally confirming that any non-Labour supporters on here will not be treated the same as Labour posters, when it comes to complying with the rules of the forum

PS....Please can you let us know when you have something intelligent to add to the debate

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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:50 am

Publishing is a Rich Man's game, and the Tory Party exists unashamedly to argue the corner for the wealthy. Accordingly there is little news to be found favouring The Poor in the popular press, and so it is very easy (and certainly not unintentional) for a casual reader to become indoctrinated with Right-wing polemic.

The continuous drip of water will wear away even the hardest substances, but there are still people willing and able to look beyond the propaganda.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:25 pm

blueturando wrote:Thank you Redflag for finally confirming that any non-Labour supporters on here will not be treated the same as Labour posters, when it comes to complying with the rules of the forum

PS....Please can you let us know when you have something intelligent to add to the debate

I think that OW has put his finger on your problem blue, you do not like it because I with others will not be talked down too by this Mealy Mouthed gov't, and that I am sick to the back teeth of being LIED To with a lump of Spin by this Incompetent gov't. So you can not take the anger from us on the left about the treatment we get from your Mealy Mouthed gov't TOUGH .

When the Labour party get into power in 2015 we will have to take a pile of tory ideology from the likes of you, so if you want to debate when that time comes Put Up Or Shut Up.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:59 pm

I have no idea what you just said Redflag, it had nothing to do with what I posted


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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Ivan on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:27 pm

any non-Labour supporters on here will not be treated the same as Labour posters, when it comes to complying with the rules of the forum
blueturando. Please refrain from distorting the truth. If you'd been awake during the recent hiatus when a Labour supporter plastered adverts for a new forum on a number of threads, you'd realise that what you have just posted is rubbish. Anyone who puts this forum at risk, whether by advertising (which only the site owners are allowed to do) or by posting libellous remarks and refusing to retract them, will receive similar treatment.

If you're determined to have an argument with one of the other members, please do so by personal message, not on this or any other thread. Thank you.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by blueturando on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:12 pm

No personal arguments Ivan as the person in question just rants about nothing really...Happy to argue and debate with you though...more of a challenge

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:58 pm

blueturando wrote:No personal arguments Ivan as the person in question just rants about nothing really...Happy to argue and debate with you though...more of a challenge

About nothing is that what you call it, this country is on its knees there is a triple dip recession just around the corner plus we could lose the triple A status, and all we get from the PM and the chancellor is lies about the deficit being paid down by a quarter, when in reality the deficit is getting bigger because they are having to borrow more to pay the people that have been sacked because of the CUTS both of them made, and the truth of the state of things will not be known until another gov't gets into power and gets a look at the books I do not envy them that job.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by bobby on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:55 pm

Regarding this getting to see the books nonsense, we keep hearing from Herr Cameron, Osborne and the toe rag Clegg. "We didn't know just how bad things where when we lied our way into power". What’s in those books is for all elected MP's to see, all they have to do is to arrange a suitable time and all will be placed in front of them by one of their myriads of professional researchers, so either it is yet another massive lie when they repeat over and over “we didn’t know how bad things where” is either yet another total untruth, or they simply couldn’t be bothered to look.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by skwalker1964 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:19 am

bobby wrote:Regarding this getting to see the books nonsense, we keep hearing from Herr Cameron, Osborne and the toe rag Clegg. "We didn't know just how bad things where when we lied our way into power". What’s in those books is for all elected MP's to see, all they have to do is to arrange a suitable time and all will be placed in front of them by one of their myriads of professional researchers, so either it is yet another massive lie when they repeat over and over “we didn’t know how bad things where” is either yet another total untruth, or they simply couldn’t be bothered to look.

There were Tories on the Public Accounts Select Committee all the way through the 13 years of Labour government. They couldn't NOT know.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:43 am

skwalker1964 wrote:
bobby wrote:Regarding this getting to see the books nonsense, we keep hearing from Herr Cameron, Osborne and the toe rag Clegg. "We didn't know just how bad things where when we lied our way into power". What’s in those books is for all elected MP's to see, all they have to do is to arrange a suitable time and all will be placed in front of them by one of their myriads of professional researchers, so either it is yet another massive lie when they repeat over and over “we didn’t know how bad things where” is either yet another total untruth, or they simply couldn’t be bothered to look.

There were Tories on the Public Accounts Select Committee all the way through the 13 years of Labour government. They couldn't NOT know.

Thank you skywalker at last the truth is coming for all the UK to see, they LIED to get into power and now they just LIE to keep themselves in, and hoping we will swallow there LIES to get back into power in 2015. To anyone that thinks Cam the Bam will give them a referendum on in/out on the EU Dream on Cam and Co will say anything to win the next election in 2015, he either wants to cover up all the gov't contracts he has given to tory donors or tory MPs businesses or finish off what he started by selling the rest of the Welfare state to the private sector, "Hello Dickenzian Times".
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Post by tlttf on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:18 am

Hi Red, just to put you right "tlttf" are the initials for "The Land that Time Forgot" and yes I would like to return to good governance and no I don't think the socio/libs in power are very good. However, unlike your good self I'm confident that should the shadow socio/libs get into power it will make not the slightest difference to the working man/woman.

The moment you realise that our options on government are extremely limited to a bunch of professional politicians that haven't held a real job ever and that they parachute those that toe the party line into whichever "safe seat" is available at the expense of a committed potential local mp that understands the community needs and is willing to fight for them, then you'll realise that voting for any of them is voting to keep a corrupt system in place.

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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Ivan on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:04 am

voting for any of them is voting to keep a corrupt system in place..
LOL. There speaks a man who voted Tory in the London Mayoral election last May. No
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Post by blueturando on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:29 pm

He's not wrong though is he Ivan

Most of my arguments on here are that all the issues moaned about will just carry on when and if the other lot get into power...and the merry go round continues. Professional politicians do not look after the interests of the man and women on the street....some are just better at giving us the illusion that they do

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Post by Redflag on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:25 pm

I can assure you blue if the Labour party carries on the same policies IF they come into power in 2015, there would be BLUE murder on the streets of the UK I as a Labour party member WILL not stand for it nor will any of the others on this forum being treated the way this Mealy Mouthed gov't is treating the people of the UK.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by Ivan on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:37 pm

It seems that Boris Johnson has nothing but contempt for both democracy and public safety. Before the mayoral election in May last year, the odious creep denied claims that he was planning to remove 27 fire engines from the brigade.

Just one month later:-
Fire stations across the capital face closure while hundreds of firefighters could lose their jobs and engines could be taken off the roads… Mayor Boris Johnson has previously ruled out frontline cuts. However, he is now expected to give them the green light.” (Pippa Crerar, ‘Evening Standard’)

£50 million was taken out of the Fire Brigades reserves before the election so that Johnson could maintain police officer numbers.

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520 firefighters, 18 fire engines and 12 fire stations face axe” by Adam Bienkov:-

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Fire chiefs at the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority rejected the money-saving proposals - which would also see 520 jobs axed. But Johnson has decided to use his mayoral powers to go ahead with the plans anyway.

London Assembly Member Stephen Knight said: "This is a sad day for democracy and an even sadder day for the safety of Londoners. However much the mayor attempts to spin this issue, the reality is that he alone is forcing through the closure of 12 London fire stations and increasing response times for far too many Londoners. The mayor has immense financial freedom and could easily decide to provide the modest extra funding needed to ensure that no fire stations would have to close."

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Post by sickchip on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:08 pm

mmmm.....what will Boris do when London's burning?

I guess we shouldn't expect a pompous buffoon like Boris to have any empathy with 'ordinary' people - Bullingdon would've knocked any last residue of the capacity to empathise out of him........so we can't expect him to be concerned for the public's safety and well being.

Now! If protesters were to march on the government of London who reside at Canary Wharf and hassle the thieves who do their dirty work there in their ivory towers that bully, and reduce, all beneath them into abject existences - that might upset him.

Did real people actually elect Boris to be the President of London? Are they putting something in the water in that there London? What kind of country has London become?
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Post by bobby on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:20 pm

Blueturando said: Most of my arguments on here are that all the issues moaned about will just carry on when and if the other lot get into power...and the merry go round continues.
In this case Bluey you may actually be correct, What you are forgetting is that when the Tories nearly won the election in 2010, our economy was in growth without massive and damaging cuts and we had been taken out of a Recession caused by the Global (American) Banking crisis by Labour and unemployment was reducing. Had we have kept that same Government all if not most of the ills we are now suffering would not have come about, and if they did they would have been a lot less damaging than the Tory plan A. Also you have said loads of times how you think Labour has no answers, as it is the Tory led Coalition that is in power, you can not know that, what we do know is that this rancid Government‘s only plan is to follow their ideological plans irrespective of what happens to the Country as a whole.

Come the next Election I just hope that people remember why Labour will not be able to adhere fully to their natural instinctive policies. No one not even you could expect a Government who are destined to inherit the biggest economic cock up, without having to introduce some quite unpalatable things policies, what I am certain of is that Ed Milibands team will not rob from the poorest to give to the richest or unnesesarily put millions out of work for no other reason than their ideology and spite.

For you to say what you have, and it aint the first time you’ve said it, is twisting reality to suit your own very weak argument. Who is it you are arguing for, you have repeatedly slated this Government for deeds they have done, yet continually berate Labour for what the Daily wail and the mirror have to say.
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Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:36 pm

sickchip wrote:mmmm.....what will Boris do when London's burning?

I guess we shouldn't expect a pompous buffoon like Boris to have any empathy with 'ordinary' people - Bullingdon would've knocked any last residue of the capacity to empathise out of him........so we can't expect him to be concerned for the public's safety and well being.

Now! If protesters were to march on the government of London who reside at Canary Wharf and hassle the thieves who do their dirty work there in their ivory towers that bully, and reduce, all beneath them into abject existences - that might upset him.

Did real people actually elect Boris to be the President of London? Are they putting something in the water in that there London? What kind of country has London become?

I am afraid they did elect him after his team had smeared Ken Livingston, so in my mind they got what they deserved maybe that is a bit ungenerous of me but they already knew what Doris was and the Tory ideology. I agree with you about the protest marches a nice march up to Canary Wharf would be good exercise for all involved.
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The RBS 'give-away' robs us via the back door to enrich private investors

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I wouldn’t trust this man to carve a turkey, let alone carve up a bank.

The papers are awash today with leaked ‘rumours’ that George Osborne is planning to ‘give’ shares in state-owned banking group RBS worth up to £400 to every voter shortly before the next general election.

It’s obvious to anyone with a couple of brain-cells to rub together that this is the most crass, blatant attempt imaginable to buy popularity by bribing the electorate. What might be slightly less obvious to some is that – if it goes ahead – the government will be using our own money to attempt to buy our votes, to enrich private investors massively in the process, all while dodging a political ‘bullet’.

Killing 3 birds with one stone, you might say. A big, fat stone with ‘Typical Tory Scam‘ written all over it in big, bold letters. Except, as usual with this lot, it’s not so much a stone as a lump of stone-baked bull-faeces.

The ‘gift’ that goes on ‘giving’?

The last Labour government invested £45 billion in RBS at the height of the banking crisis to prevent its collapse, effectively buying the bank and nationalising it – making it public property. That means we all already own it. So by ‘giving’ us shares in it, the government is doing nothing more than recycling what we own from one of our pockets to another – and then telling us it’s made us richer.

A bullet with our name on it

Mr Osborne has apparently concluded that

continued taxpayer ownership of the bank is politically “untenable” amid rows over bankers’ bonuses, interest-rate manipulation and the mis-selling of financial products.

The Tories and LibDems apparently consider that state ownership of the bank is ‘politically toxic’ because of continuing scandals over LIBOR fixing, huge bonuses and mis-sold financial products – and that the easiest solution is simply to get rid of it.

I don’t know about you, but if I owned something I’d paid £45 billion for and it wasn’t working as it should, I’d want to fix it rather than giving it away to get rid of it. If it wasn’t my £45 billion, I’d feel even more responsible for making sure it was in working order for the people whose money had been spent on it.

I wouldn’t try to give it back to them in pieces, hoping they wouldn’t notice that they were getting far less than they’d paid for it – 31% less, based on the current share price. But then, I’m not a Tory politician.

It’s perfectly obvious that if there are problems at RBS, the best opportunity for fixing them is while it’s directly owned by us. It’s also perfectly obvious that owning a bank already is a gilt-edged opportunity to turn it into a ‘National High Street Bank’ that would help break the cycle of greed and misdeeds, and could provide an ethical, non-profit alternative to banking customers.

The Tories are supposed to love ‘choice’, after all. But the government is adding insult to injury by hoping we’re too stupid to spot the scam.

‘He steals from the poor, gives to the rich…’

Compounding the crime is a series of consequences that will follow the ‘give-away’ as night follows days – and all of which will leave us worse off than we are with the bank as a public possession:

  • The vast majority of people receiving shares will sell them – a number that will be even higher because of the ‘planned misery’ of systematic impoverishment that has been inflicted on ordinary people by the very government about to perpetrate the ‘give-away’ scam.

  • Because of how the stock-market works, the arrival of a large number of shares on the market in a short time-frame will push down the share-price.

  • Large investors will snap up those shares at knock-down prices. ‘Hey-presto’, a public asset will once again be in private hands – for a fraction of its true value. Private hands that will, purely coincidentally, of course, be the very hands that provide substantial donations to Tory party funds.

  • As investors do, once RBS belongs to private owners again, they will want to ‘streamline’ their asset to make sure that they squeeze every last penny of profit from it.

  • Branches will be closed and staff will be laid off.

  • Bank employees will find themselves unemployed – making them a net cost to the Treasury (i.e. us) via unemployment benefits, instead of contributors through tax and national insurance contributions – all so that private profits can be fattened further. Just as a (bitter) cherry on the cake, hundreds of thousands of RBS Group customers will be further away from their branches.

  • The even higher rate of unemployment will have a downward effect on wages for all of us, further depressing the economy as a whole but allowing unscrupulous employers and investors to make even bigger returns.


The Tories hope that enough of us won’t see this scam for what it is, so that it will give them a boost in the polls – and they’re cynically trying to have their cake and eat it by trailing it now but implementing it just ahead of the next general election.

Let’s make sure they fail. If you realise someone is conning you, the right response is to get them hauled away in handcuffs, not to thank them for the ‘gift’. Get the word out and make sure everyone knows what a massive scam this is – and what a shameless, cynical, arrogant bunch of sociopaths are trying to perpetrate it.
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Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:03 pm

Skywalker would it not cost us if we have these shares and the bank gets up to games again, would that mean we where liable financially for the bank and have to bail it out so it would be more like a stone around our necks. As we are having to pay for it now with all the cuts anybody would be de-ranged not too see this for what it is "A CON" of the highest order
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:04 pm

No, the bank would still be a plc - public limited company. That means that if it goes bust, investors are only liable via the shares they hold - so you could lose that if the shares become worthless, but that would be all.

That said, the whole limited liability concept has certainly fuelled the growth of capitalism and leads to high levels of risk-taking and short-termism, since investors can only lose a limited amount, and can exit a company pretty much whenever they wish, so they want fast, short-term returns.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:29 pm

skwalker1964 wrote:No, the bank would still be a plc - public limited company. That means that if it goes bust, investors are only liable via the shares they hold - so you could lose that if the shares become worthless, but that would be all.

That said, the whole limited liability concept has certainly fuelled the growth of capitalism and leads to high levels of risk-taking and short-termism, since investors can only lose a limited amount, and can exit a company pretty much whenever they wish, so they want fast, short-term returns.

Which raises the question of whether any form of Companies Act, (limiting shareholder liability) works in favour of Society as a whole. Bearing in mind that virtually every developed Nation in the world has an equivalent Law.
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Re: Do the Tories have anything to offer us other than myths and lies?

Post by boatlady on Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:58 pm

Steve, I am quite convinced by your argument - now is there any chance, nearer the time, ytthat you could get this really simple and straightforward piece of journalism some widespread wexposure (my favourite would be the Sun and Channel 4 news)?
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:32 pm

boatlady wrote:Steve, I am quite convinced by your argument - now is there any chance, nearer the time, ytthat you could get this really simple and straightforward piece of journalism some widespread exposure (my favourite would be the Sun and Channel 4 news)?

Oh, if they press ahead with it, I'll be pestering everybody I can think of until someone takes notice! Smile
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:24 pm

Just as many people - 30 years on - still point to the cruelty of Thatcher and her despicable ways, we shall probably have similarly gut-wrenching recollections about Cameron and his poisonous era. Let's hope when we do that they print unforgettable pictures such as that below . It will serve to remind everyone just what, inter alia, a complete prat he was...

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Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:09 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Just as many people - 30 years on - still point to the cruelty of Thatcher and her despicable ways, we shall probably have similarly gut-wrenching recollections about Cameron and his poisonous era. Let's hope when we do that they print unforgettable pictures such as that below . It will serve to remind everyone just what, inter alia, a complete prat he was...

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" Think yourself lucky, Mr Cameron - at least your singularly attractive headwear is blue..."

AND IT STILL DOES NOT HELP YOU LOOK LESS OF A TWAT THAN YOU REALLY ARE "Its about time you gave Diddy Giddy his P45.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:39 am

Indian spectators were led to believe that the representation of a Prime Minister figure standing before them was in fact mechanically separated and reshaped from memories of the British Raj.

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Post by Ivan on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:49 pm

Ministers ignore facts amidst attacks on poor and disabled people

Extracts from an article by Savitri Hensman:-

The government’s war of words against disabled and badly-off people continues unchecked. The latest slurs by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Prime Minister and the Minister for Disabled People suggest that UK politics has become a largely fact-free zone.

Millionaire George Osborne tried to make out that “the welfare state” was connected with the widely-reported crimes of Mick Philpott, who abused and exploited his partners and eventually killed six of his seventeen children in a house fire. Many found this distasteful. But David Cameron backed him, telling the BBC that living on benefits should not be a "lifestyle choice".

This is a grave insult to those who have lost their jobs due to rich bankers’ reckless greed and Osborne’s and Cameron’s disastrous mismanagement of the economy, and to numerous disabled people, carers and others on low incomes. Many have worked and paid national insurance and other taxes for decades.

In reality, as 'The Guardian' newspaper pointed out, having just one child is nowadays very common, large families are rare and there are so few with 14 or more children receiving benefits that the number is deemed negligible. There are of course people in every walk of life whose criminality results in others’ deaths, including in the ruling class. However they are not typical.

Overall it is saddening that, in government circles, truth and justice for those in greatest need seem to count for so little.


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Post by Redflag on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:30 pm

blueturando wrote:No personal arguments Ivan as the person in question just rants about nothing really...Happy to argue and debate with you though...more of a challenge

So you have realized that your posts are "REALLY NOTHING"
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Post by blueturando on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:04 pm

Im not going to get into a childish argument with you Red, but I am happy to have a sensible debate on political issues.

I am at peace today feeling all the love out there for our beloved leader...RIP Smile

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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:17 pm

Some people could slot straight in to contemporary North Korea.
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Post by Redflag on Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:12 am

oftenwrong wrote:Some people could slot straight in to contemporary North Korea.

I agree OW and the perfect candidate would be Blue he would fit right in there and not be out of place. cheers
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Post by Redflag on Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:25 am

blueturando wrote:Im not going to get into a childish argument with you Red, but I am happy to have a sensible debate on political issues.

I am at peace today feeling all the love out there for our beloved leader...RIP Smile

What you are feeling blue is not LOVE but PURE HATRED the only people that are sad today are the same Tory MPs That Stabbed her in The Back in 1991" the same ones that will shed crocodile tears until she is creamated then that will be that.

Just in case you have not noticed the people are having impromtu parties to celebrate her death, the song from the Film Wizard of Oz went from no where to No1 between the announcement on Monday at 11.45am to No1 by yesterday afternoon and will stay there, there will be a lot of people suffering hangovers between now and Wednesday so yes you must be feeling the love. lol! lol! DING DONG


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Post by blueturando on Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:26 pm

Some people could slot straight in to contemporary North Korea.

I agree OW and the perfect candidate would be Blue he would fit right in there and not be out of place

RED and OW....Yes I am sure with my views I would fit in with their Capitalist economy and the reduction of State control...Oops, sounds right up your street really
Anyway please can you refrain from making personal attacks as you may be threatened with suspension from the board or a telling off from Ivan....cheers peeps

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Post by blueturando on Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:35 pm

Red....My misguided little friend. I am sad at her death, but happy that she acheived most of what she wanted while in power. Not all was good far from it, but most was needed....Not that many of you would understand, you're too blinkered and brianwashed.

Also had to laugh at the street parties. Looking at most of them its what I expected...Crusty, smelly looking right-on young students who were not even alive when she was PM. Many of these same people will probably turn Tory once they leave Uni, return to leafy Surrey and live in the real world for a few years


So RED, yes I am feeling the love, her job is done. The evil unions are weak and the 'left' in the UK are now limited to the fringes of society. You are all dinosaurs and your politics are out dated and irrelevent in todays world

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Post by Tosh on Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:44 pm

The evil unions are weak and the 'left' in the UK are now limited to the fringes of society. You are all dinosaurs and your politics are out dated and irrelevent in todays world

Hear hear, well said.

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