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Can this be true in England?

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Can this be true in England?

Post by gator on Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:19 am

http://newswithviews.com/Duigon/lee115.htm
 
I've never heard of this guy before. I got this link from an E-mail. However, the fact that I have not heard of him is immaterial if his allegations are correct. Is there any truth to this bit about the Thought Police keeping track of the comments made by a three year old?
 
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by astra on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:09 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037050/Racists-aged-THREE-Children-accused-bigotry-broccoli-head-calling.html


The Daily Mail - colloquially known as the Daily Wail. I have no doubt that there may be a sliver of truth in the story. The ruling classes (sic) in this country have gone power mad
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by gator on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:46 pm

In The Colonies [Canada], we have something called the Young Offender's Act [or variations thereof - depending on the government in power at the time]. The YOA is a mix of good and bad. It is good insofar as it allows kids to make mistakes without those mistakes being part of their permanent record. It is bad insofar as some of these "mistakes" such as rape or murder will still be treated as a minor infraction because the crime was done by a youth. Do you have such a thing in England?
 
I really can't understand some playground spat following a child for the rest of his/her life. That is insane.
 
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Post by astra on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:50 pm

"mistakes" such as rape or murder will still be treated as a minor infraction because the crime was done by a youth


Yes we have that here

The Jamie Bulger case was a BIT different, in that the 10 year olds were sent to young offenders institutions then when 16 or 18 years were given new identities and packed off to Australia. The new Aus Prime Minister is not content with the UK using the country as a dumping ground. One of them has returned, broke his bail conditions and is back in pokey.

Once a bad apple - always a bad apple. (it would seem to me)
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Post by gator on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:32 pm

So then, how does this Young Offender's Act [or variations thereof] dovetail with the O/P and the "need" to document every single thing that anyone ever utters?  Can't a kid just be a kid without all the PC crap?
 
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by Ivan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:12 pm

Can this be true in England? "Wounded soldiers face the sack" screams the front page headline of 'The Daily Telegraph' today. Tomorrow Cameron will be at the Cenotaph for a photo opportunity, feigning concern for the war dead, when he doesn't give a damn about the living.

When Theresa May referred to the Tories as "the nasty party" she was making a serious understatement, they're evil.
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by Curious Cdn on Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:18 pm

Some of those young offenders are incorrigibles that will be back in the adult justice system, eventually. Still, the recidivism levels for young offenders is much lower than in the adult criminal population so I suppose that the YOA works after a fashion. I live three kilometers from a "prison" ... a quit little facility called the Syl Apps Center that has teen-aged murderers incarcerated, there. It certainly hasn't resulted in a murderous epidemic, here though. Our violent crime rate runs at roughly one tenth of that of our neighbour living an hour's drive to the south of us where young offenders can even be executed in some states.
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:43 pm

In Scandinavia there are "weekend prisoners" who are free to live a normal life and hold down a job between Monday and Friday, but every weekend lose their freedom by reporting to a Prison facility.

It works for most of them.
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Re: Can this be true in England?

Post by ROB on Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:03 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
In Scandinavia there are "weekend prisoners" who are free to live a normal life and hold down a job between Monday and Friday, but every weekend lose their freedom by reporting to a Prison facility.

It works for most of them.

United States Constitution, Amendment 8:

“Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted”

The principle elucidated therein seems to support such on-again off-again prison terms for certain offenders who do not pose a threat to society during their “off-again” time.

A federal minimum-security facility in Texas allows prisoners to leave during the day if it’s for a productive purpose. Many of these prisoners attend daily (M-F) classes at a community college whose campus is adjacent to the prison.

The prison itself is indistinguishable from the surrounding apartments and homes unless one knows where to look and for what to look. There are no armed guards. There is neither wall nor fencing around the facility; only a line painted around its perimeter. Prisoners are informed upon entrance that the line must not be crossed without permission, and that, if they do cross the line, they will be caught, the folks who catch them (US Marshals) will not be gentle and kind, and the Marshals will not bring them “back here” (think “Leavenworth”).
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