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Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:09 pm

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The UKIP vote in Eastleigh rose from 3.6% in 2010 to 27.8% in the by-election on Thursday. It may have been because the party is mopping up the mid-term protest votes which traditionally went to the Liberal Democrats before they climbed into bed with the devil in May 2010. It may be because many people – wrongly - feel that the three main parties in Westminster are “all the same”, a feeling which the Tories have helped to create by transferring so much real power from democratic accountability to unelected and unaccountable corporations as they privatise everything on which they can lay their grubby hands. What I don’t believe is that this bubble of support for UKIP is because of the party’s reactionary, right-wing policies, which aim to take us back to the 1950s.

The one policy which everyone associates with UKIP is withdrawal from the EU. UKIP has claimed that by leaving the EU, the UK would save over £45 million a day plus £60 billion a year, conveniently ignoring any EU rebates and regional grants. I’m not sure where it gets those figures from, since the Treasury says that the UK paid £8.9 billion into EU budget in 2010/11 (out of £706 billion of public spending). The European Commission puts the UK's net contribution at £5.85 billion.

The EU is the UK's main trading partner, accounting for 52% of our total trade in goods and services; if Britain went for a clean break from the EU, its exports would be subject to EU export tariffs. Millions of jobs could be lost as global manufacturers move to low-cost countries within the EU, and Britain's foreign-owned car industry might well shift into the EU. However, withdrawal from the EU was the issue which UKIP exploited and which put it on the political map. With his half-baked promise of a referendum at some point in the future, the idiotic Cameron has increased UKIP’s credibility by showing that he’s afraid of it.

Cameron also said that UKIP is “full of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", and perhaps on that last point he could now be right. The Eastleigh by-election showed that UKIP is appealing to racists, causing one person on Twitter to refer to it as “the BNP for the Notting Hill set”. UKIP may be more subtle than the BNP, but it wants to freeze immigration, pandering to the Alf Garnetts who see all foreigners as problems, and has even thrown in the contentious claim that “multiculturalism has split our society”.

In December 2011, the UK had 88,179 people in prison, more per head of the population than any other country in Europe, yet UKIP wants to double the number of prison places. UKIP says that the £2 billion cost of building new prisons is negligible compared to the cost of crime, but it hasn’t factored in the cost of keeping prisoners in jail, which amounts to at least £40,000 a year for each of them. Yet UKIP would refuse to accept European Arrest Warrants, which could well mean delays for the UK in extraditing suspects from other European countries.

The NHS would be no safer with UKIP than it’s been with the Tories, since the party believes that “other models are worth considering to see whether lessons can be learned from abroad”. On education, UKIP wants to bring back grammar schools, so that we can once again tell about 80% of eleven-year-olds that they’re failures, while at the same time giving parents education vouchers, which would be a way of subsidising private school fees.

The cornerstone of UKIP’s tax policies is to roll the employee national insurance and basic rate income tax into a flat rate of income tax of 31%. There would be no higher rate tax, since UKIP perpetuates the Tory lie that the 50% income tax rate cost the economy money; it hasn’t, it has brought in £2.7 billion a year. UKIP’s policy would be a massive tax cut for the rich, far bigger than the one that’s being introduced by the Tories in April. Even greater inequality would be created by abolishing national insurance for employers.

UKIP policies, like so many Tory ones, amount to an attack on our rights. UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays, overtime, redundancy and sick pay, while leaving it up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave. It says it would also scrap most ‘equality and discrimination’ legislation.

If you need any more reasons not to vote for UKIP, it denies climate change and would make increased defence spending “a clear priority, even in these difficult times”. It opposes equal marriage, would hold a referendum in each county on ending the hunting ban and would allow smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. It’s no wonder that UKIP has been likened to “the political wing of a Home Counties golf club”.

You may not like the EU, and you may think that after 38 years it’s time to hold another referendum on our membership. However, before you vote for a party that makes that its flagship policy, look a little more closely at what else you would be voting for at the same time.

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by sickchip on Sun May 12, 2013 7:03 pm

VOTE UKIP - YOU THUNK IT MAKES SENSE

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun May 12, 2013 10:10 pm

I'm not so thunk as you drink I am, Sir!
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Thu May 16, 2013 11:36 am

Should UKIP worry us?

Extracts from an article by Guido Tallman:-

“In the recent local elections UKIP got 25% of the vote (where they stood) – on a 30% turnout in the most backward areas of the country. That’s 7.5% in the bits of the country most suited to their rancid ideas. Farage and UKIP have found an issue that divides the hard right from the thinking right. Farage is busy repeating on every news outlet he can reach, normally without any hint of a challenge, that because we’re in the EU, 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are being let into the UK next year.

Estimates of the number of people who are actually going to arrive vary wildly, from a few thousand to 30-50,000, which is the Migration Watch ‘estimate’. No one, not the maddest idiot writer in ‘The Daily Express’, thinks 29 million people will come to the UK, for 29 million is the entire total population of the two countries, Bulgaria’s 7.5 million plus Romania’s 21.4 million.

For 29 million people to come EVERYONE would have to move to the UK, no one could head anywhere else in the EU and 100,000 would have to join them from elsewhere. The football team who just won the Bulgarian premiership would have to try to get signed by a shit team in the UK like Aldershot. The Bulgarian PM would have to suddenly decide that politics was a crap game to be in and he’d rather go picking spring onions on a farm in Lincolnshire instead. Landowners and company bosses would have to surrender any advantage they had at home and start up a hand car wash outside Woking. They’d have to empty their jails and give the prisoners tickets to Dover (don’t mention that last one to UKIP, they’ll pick it up and run with it).”


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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by tlttf on Thu May 16, 2013 3:52 pm

Oh dear, they seem to be affecting some as much as the coalition does, perhaps they're better thought of than labour would like?

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by blueturando on Thu May 16, 2013 4:10 pm

Another fantastically balanced view there Ivan. I am sure all those voters will be delighted to be described as coming from the most backward areas of the country....Does that include South Shields by the way? Or is this article just referring to the south? ......'One Nation' indeed???

As far as immigrant numbers from Bulgaria and Romania, well I guess we will just have to see. I am sure UKIP's version is an exaggeration (but also misquoted), just like when Labour predicted only 16,000 would come from Eastern Europe the last time restrictions were lifted Smile I suppose search parties will always bump that number up though

I am guessing by the latest polling reports that firstly UKIPs support is NOT confined to the 'most backwards' parts of the country and secondly you are a bit worried that the electorate is moving to the right (in my opinion the centre ground has moved) and that your Labour luvvies are losing the argument and hemorrhaging voters to Farage and his gang.

Interesting times indeed, but maybe the kick up the bum all the major parties needed. If you don’t want to keep losing voters to UKIP then maybe the floating voters need to know what Miliband and Labour stands for, because at the moment apart from a few ‘soundbites’ know one knows

The Guardian have released this month’s ICM poll, the first telephone poll conducted since the local elections. Topline voting intention figures with changes from a month ago are CON 28%(-4), LAB 34%(-4), LDEM 11%(-4), UKIP 18%(+9!).

Ivan…Can you think of any other reason Labours’ lead has now dropped to 6 or 7%?

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Redflag on Thu May 16, 2013 4:26 pm

tlttf wrote:Oh dear, they seem to be affecting some as much as the coalition does, perhaps they're better thought of than labour would like?

So much so tittf that TORY MPs are suggesting that they should stand on a "JOINT TICKET" with UKIP in the general election in 2015, I suppose that is because they know they have not got "HOPE IN HELL" of getting a majority in the next G.E.

I as an active Labour party member will do whatever it takes to get a Labour majority as I did in Eastleigh in February and not suceeding there has only made me more determined to suceed in 2015. cheers
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by blueturando on Thu May 16, 2013 4:47 pm

You keep going Redflag and good luck with that....

PS....When you have an idea on what Labour currently stands for please can you share with the rest of the country Laughing

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Thu May 16, 2013 4:57 pm

When you have an idea on what Labour currently stands for please can you share with the rest of the country

blueturando. This thread is about UKIP, so please stop trying to divert it from the topic.

You obviously don't read all of the political threads, or you would have seen this list of current Labour policies:-

• Repeal the Health and Social Care Act (otherwise known as the NHS Privatisation Act)
• Build 125,000+ homes
• Regulate private rents
• Promote a Living Wage for public sector workers and shame the private sector into following that lead
• Offer a minimum 33-40% cut in tuition fees
• Limit rail fare increases to 1%
• Bring back the 50p rate of income tax for the super-rich
• Impose a mansion tax on the rich
• Repeat the bankers’ bonus tax
• Reverse the bedroom tax
• Scrap Workfare and replace it with a ‘compulsory’ Jobs Guarantee
• Offer a VAT cut or a ‘temporary’ VAT holiday
• Implement the High Pay Commission report in its entirety
• Scrap Ofgem and bring in proper energy price regulation
• Break up the banks and set up a National Investment Bank
• Support mining communities and clean coal technology

I would also be surprised if Labour didn’t sign up to the financial transactions tax, which may become EU law and which is one of the reasons (to protect their banking cronies) that the rabid Tories want to leave the EU.

If you want to discuss this, please do so on a more appropriate thread.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by blueturando on Thu May 16, 2013 5:06 pm

blueturando. This thread is about UKIP, so please stop trying to divert it from the topic.

I certainly did not my post was all about UKIP, although Redflag did by mentioning the Tories, joint tickets and then fighting for Labour in Eastleigh...I am sure you will have a word wont you?

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Thu May 16, 2013 5:15 pm

blueturando. If crackpots like Nadine Dorries are contemplating standing as joint Tory/UKIP candidates, then it has some relevance to a thread about UKIP. It's an absurd concept; shall I stand as a Lab/LD/Tory/UKIP candidate, and then absolutely everyone can vote for me, or better still, return me unopposed?

You asked Redflag a question about Labour policies, which I've answered for you, but the question had no relevance to this thread.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Redflag on Thu May 16, 2013 5:44 pm

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blueturando. This thread is about UKIP, so please stop trying to divert it from the topic.

I certainly did not my post was all about UKIP, although Redflag did by mentioning the Tories, joint tickets and then fighting for Labour in Eastleigh...I am sure you will have a word wont you?

I think you should read my post throughly blue preferably with your eyes wide open, it is Nadine Dorries that said she would stand on a joint tcket WITH UKIP so I had to mention the Tories, while we are on the subject the same Nadine Dorres said before the Tories gave her back the whip she had been thinking about joing UKIP as quite a few of Tory MPs and councillors have done most recently deserting the sinking ship.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Thu May 16, 2013 6:14 pm

Another fantastically balanced view there Ivan
blueturando. What is ‘balanced’? I’ve just read a grubby snippet that your mate copy/pasted from ‘The Daily Telegraph’, and it says Ed Miliband has “the political nous of a whelk”. Are you 'balanced' when you post messages saying that Miliband is "a bellend" and when you direct abuse at Owen Jones? Shocked

I didn’t write that article about possible Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants, and I agree that “backward parts of the country” is not nice. However, UKIP is attracting different people since it placed more emphasis on its anti-immigration stance; it’s hardly surprising that the BNP has dropped to 0% and 0.5% on some opinion polls.

I am sure UKIP's version is an exaggeration (but also misquoted)
How can this be misquoted?

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Can you think of any other reason Labour's lead has now dropped to 6 or 7%?
An expert, Anthony Wells of YouGov, can answer that one for you:-

"Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor is out, with topline figures of CON 31%(+2), LAB 34%(-4), LDEM 10%(nc), UKIP 13%(-2). The three point Labour lead is the lowest we have seen in any poll since a ComRes poll last September (conducted during the Conservative party conference) and the lowest MORI have shown since April 2012.

All the usual caveats about unusual poll findings apply and the full tabs are not yet up on the MORI website, but MORI’s Tom Mludzinski says the change is mostly due to Labour voters saying they are less likely to vote (as regular readers will know Ipsos MORI use the harshest turnout filter, only including respondents who say they are absolutely 10/10 certain to vote. Most other companies either use softer turnout filters, weighting down people who are less likely to vote, or ignore turnout filters completely away from election time).

This morning’s YouGov poll for 'The Sun' is up now and has topline figures of CON 30%, LAB 40%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 15%."


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Post by boatlady on Thu May 16, 2013 7:34 pm

Nigel Farage flees barrage of abuse from Edinburgh protesters

Party leader takes shelter in police riot van as demonstrators chant: "UKIP scum off our streets"

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Post by blueturando on Fri May 17, 2013 12:47 am

IVAN....Seeing as the total population of those countries is 29 million and the restrictions have been lifted, then 29 million would be allowed to come to the UK...would they not, or is that wrong?....It's self explainatory really

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Post by blueturando on Fri May 17, 2013 12:50 am

Boatlady....The leftie bully boys always resort to violence when they have lost the argument and want to restrict free speech....and they accuse Farage of being Fascist...Laughable!!!!

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Post by Redflag on Fri May 17, 2013 9:35 am

blueturando wrote:Boatlady....The leftie bully boys always resort to violence when they have lost the argument and want to restrict free speech....and they accuse Farage of being Fascist...Laughable!!!!

Sorry to diappoint you blue but you got this one wrong, the people protesting will have been the same people or their sons and daughters of the people that protested against Thatchers Poll Tax. Since UKIP are nothing more than second hand Tories the Scots are just making sure SCOTLAND does not have any form of RIGHT WING RACISTS running OUR country because of England voting for the right wing we had to put up with 18 years of misery, just because here we do not vote for right wing fascists, we have ONE Tory MP that was voted for ONE Tory MSP that was voted for the rest of them came off the list because our voting is done through AV.

It is possible that some of the protesters where activists of the SNP and thanks to UKIP & the TORIES Scotland could vote to leave the UK which would not be a good move for Scotland, as recently it looks like that the SNP are just another right wing party, I have also come to the conclusion that Salmond does not like the First Minister title and would prefer First Presidents of Scotland so at this moment in time I will be voting NO to Independence, but if I thought for one moment that England would be voting for either of Tories & UKIP in 2015 or give us a coalition of these two Right Wing Fascists I would vote YES and take a huge leap into the UNKNOWN. lol!
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 17, 2013 5:16 pm

Nigel's "Flying visit" to Edinburgh suggests he didn't learn much from his earlier flying experiences.
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Post by cybercheshired on Fri May 17, 2013 8:41 pm

Ukip is the paramilitary wing of the Daily Mail. Though clearly not so U though after today's Scottish mauling
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Post by Redflag on Fri May 17, 2013 9:55 pm

cybercheshired wrote:Ukip is the paramilitary wing of the Daily Mail. Though clearly not so U though after today's Scottish mauling

I hope the UKIP candidate is prepared to lose their deposit in the by-election in Aberdeen 20th June, Scotland does not vote Tory in any significant numbers at the moment Scotland has ONE Tory MP and ONE Tory MSP the rest of them came off the list as we have the AV voting system, that was part of the reason Farage got a mauling in Edinburgh we are NOT racists here in Scotland, maybe right wing parties can pull the wool over the eyes of England but not here in Scotland.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 17, 2013 10:47 pm

The UKIP stance has always been that of "Little Englanders".

Whatever made Nigel think that Scots would ever be swayed by that argument? I almost feel tempted to offer my services to UKIP just to avoid further such embarrassment. What can people be thinking of us in Brussels?

It's so demeaning!
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Post by Redflag on Sat May 18, 2013 10:14 am

oftenwrong wrote:The UKIP stance has always been that of "Little Englanders".

Whatever made Nigel think that Scots would ever be swayed by that argument? I almost feel tempted to offer my services to UKIP just to avoid further such embarrassment. What can people be thinking of us in Brussels?

It's so demeaning!

I agree OW, but here in Scotland we are quite capable of seeing off any type of racists that present themselves.
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Post by boatlady on Sat May 18, 2013 11:08 am

Whatever made Nigel think that Scots would ever be swayed by that argument?

He won't be the first to think a small success makes him able to walk on water.
It appears to be extreme naievety(?) unless there's another agenda (maybe it suits his purposes to let his party be seen as the underdogs - after all, if you're the victim of racism, you can't possibly be a racist yourself, can you?)
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Post by Ivan on Sat May 18, 2013 12:35 pm

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Seeing as the total population of those countries is 29 million and the restrictions have been lifted, then 29 million would be allowed to come to the UK...would they not, or is that wrong?....It's self explanatory really
That poster says: “Next year, the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK.” The implication is that all of those 29 million people have asked the EU for permission to come to the UK and it’s been granted. It’s scaremongering of the worst kind, a thoroughly dishonest and disreputable piece of propaganda, which speaks volumes about UKIP. And as Guido Tallman wrote: “Nigel Farage is busy repeating on every news outlet he can reach, normally without any hint of a challenge, that because we’re in the EU 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are being let into the UK next year.”

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Add the population of Bulgaria and Romania together and you still only get 28.9 million. The vast majority of those people won’t leave their own countries. For those who do want to migrate, remember that there are 27 countries in the EU. Romanians are more likely to go to Germany than come here, because a lot of them have relatives there and the job prospects are better. As somebody put on Twitter, while Cameron is trying to appease his right-wing headbangers who want to leave the EU, Angela Merkel is busy selling cars and building factories. (Incidentally, Farage claimed on Twitter that 4 million Bulgarians and Romanians will be coming here.)

Nobody knows how many will come, and so Farage is just being bloody irresponsible As has been said, all estimates of how many would come here from the last batch of countries who joined were inaccurate, and what many xenophobes conveniently overlook is that many of them left again. For example, a large number of the Poles who came here have since returned to Poland.

Since man first inhabited the planet, he has moved around, initially pursuing animals for food and later in the hope of finding a better life. I think the pattern in the EU will be that people will move around between countries just as they do between regions of the UK. And let’s not forget that an estimated 2 million Brits work in other EU countries.
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Post by astradt1 on Sat May 18, 2013 4:28 pm

Is it just me or do TV 'journalist's' like the Dimbleby's seem to be pushing the Ukip agenda?

They seem to be constantly asking the other three parties to set out what their plans for a EU referendum would be before the next election...

We know that the Tories have been so spooked by Ukip that Cameron is no-longer in charge of not only his party but also his own cabinet....

I seem to remember that there are still two years before the next election and we know how things have changed in the past 3 years so how could any party, not feeling the pressure from Ukip, say what they would like to see happen in two years' time?
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 18, 2013 5:37 pm

The only surprise is that Dimblebum isn't a Tory Minister already, Astradt.
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Post by Redflag on Sat May 18, 2013 7:54 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The only surprise is that Dimblebum isn't a Tory Minister already, Astradt.

Your idea is not that far from the truth OW, we know he is a Tory party member maybe when he loses his job at the BBC the Tories will find him a safe Tory seat. lol!
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sat May 18, 2013 10:40 pm

blueturando wrote:Boatlady....The leftie bully boys always resort to violence when they have lost the argument and want to restrict free speech....and they accuse Farage of being Fascist...Laughable!!!!

Those who took on Mosley's fascists as they marched proprietorially through London's Jewish areas are now considered heroes and role models, no? The Scots and all sorts of people in England too have no reason to consider UKIP much less of a threat - they're just fractionally more subtle than the BNP and more dangerous for it.
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Post by skwalker1964 on Sat May 18, 2013 10:43 pm

astradt1 wrote:Is it just me or do TV 'journalist's' like the Dimbleby's seem to be pushing the Ukip agenda?

They seem to be constantly asking the other three parties to set out what their plans for a EU referendum would be before the next election...

We know that the Tories have been so spooked by Ukip that Cameron is no-longer in charge of not only his party but also his own cabinet....

I seem to remember that there are still two years before the next election and we know how things have changed in the past 3 years so how could any party, not feeling the pressure from Ukip, say what they would like to see happen in two years' time?

It's not merely UKIP's agenda. The current situation is not merely 'Tories in chaos' but a calculated gamble aimed at diverting people's attention away from the real issues, which are issues on which the Tories can only lose.

All of a sudden, all the news and all the politics programmes are focusing on the EU, while the rape and pillage of the state and of the poor continues unabated and the economy circles the drain ever more tightly. But many are now barely noticing, or if they do then the gut response is that it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault, even though the EU has nothing to do with our current ills.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Redflag on Sun May 19, 2013 8:31 am

You are correct skwalker if people knew what is coming their way via Universal credits they would be having nightmares, seen my Labour MP on Friday and I am awaiting the info through email and if you do not mind will put it on CE to let everyone have a read. I agree the Tories are trying to divert peoples attention away from the economic woes of the UK so that they can sell off some more of the family silver to their friends in the City of London and buying the Tory MPs LOYALITY, it is funny how people forget so quickly about what the bankers did to this country and more than likely are still doing with no regulation brought in to control them and since it is a Tory gov't never will be regulation leaves us wide open for another 2008 FIASCO.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun May 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Some positive news emerging from the Eurozone wouldn't do any harm either, Steve. It retains the appearance of 27 nations each steering the boat in accordance with narrow National Interests.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Sun May 19, 2013 3:13 pm

Nigel Farage said he had banned former members of the British National Party and other groups from joining UKIP. He said: “We are the only party in British politics who actually forbid former members of the British National Party or extreme organisations from even becoming members.” (Think about it - why would they need to do that?)

Meanwhile, a UKIP candidate in Somerset posted a picture of himself on Facebook giving a Nazi salute. He later claimed he was just reaching for the TV handset. Another candidate in Leicester backed online groups with racist views, while a UKIP candidate in East Sussex posted anti-Semitic remarks on a website, only to claim later that her account had been hacked. These people must think we were all born yesterday.

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Although the following story dates from 2007, it still shows what a liar and a hypocrite Nigel Farage is:-

Revealed: UKIP official gave money to the BNP

An extract from an article by Andrew Alderson and Robert Watts:-

"David Abbott, a general practitioner who served on UKIP's ruling national executive committee, made a donation to American Friends of BNP while he was living and working in the USA. He also attended a meeting in America at which Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, was a guest speaker and the two men met afterwards. Later, having returned to Britain, Dr Abbott attended an annual dinner of the Trafalgar Club, a fund-raising group for the BNP, at which Mr Griffin was again present.

Dr Abbott served on UKIP's executive for a year and his fellow committee members knew about his BNP links. Nigel Farage admitted that he knew about the donations."


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When you take into account the lies which are being pedalled by UKIP about immigration, the mounting evidence of far-right infiltration and the appalling scum with whom Farage associates in the EU Parliament, it seems reasonable to conclude that UKIP is a quasi-fascist party.
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Post by astradt1 on Sun May 19, 2013 6:05 pm

Nigel Farage's Visit To Scotland And Ukip's 'Pish' Mocked In Steve Byrne's 'Lament' Ballad

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Lament for Farage.......

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The Scots have such a great way with the put down.......
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun May 19, 2013 7:00 pm

"Mony a heart will break in twa,
Should he no come back again.


Will ye no come back again?
Will ye no come back again?
Better loed ye canna be;
Will ye no come back again? "


Not meant to include EVERY visitor to Scotland, Nige.


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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Redflag on Sun May 19, 2013 9:34 pm

oftenwrong wrote:"Mony a heart will break in twa,
Should he no come back again.


Will ye no come back again?
Will ye no come back again?
Better loed ye canna be;
Will ye no come back again? "


Not meant to include EVERY visitor to Scotland, Nige.



Especially when you are a racist and a facist, I suppose Rabbie Burns would have the precise words to describe Nige.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 am

There was a vote in the European Parliament on Tuesday about tackling tax fraud, tax evasion and tax havens. The vote went in favour by 582 to 35. All of the UKIP MEPs voted against.

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Post by Redflag on Fri May 24, 2013 9:45 am

Ivan wrote:There was a vote in the European Parliament on Tuesday about tackling tax fraud, tax evasion and tax havens. The vote went in favour by 582 to 35. All of the UKIP MEPs voted against.

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This does not surprise me Ivan, it just goes to prove how near the UKIP policies are to the Tory party they have not put anything in place for the banks to stop them from repeatinmg there antics of 2007/08.
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Post by boatlady on Fri May 24, 2013 11:10 am

Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

I did - can I stop looking now? - starting to feel a bit sick Suspect
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Fri May 24, 2013 10:30 pm

A neat summary posted on ‘Mumsnet’ on 3 May by someone using the name ‘GruffaloAteMySocks’:-

"UKIP opposes clean renewable energy i.e. wind turbines etc. Instead it wants to invest in shale gas fracking and coal-fired power stations.

It wants to increase defence spending by 40%, buy nuclear weapons from the US and buy more arms.

It wants to privatise key NHS services and GPs surgeries and introduce vouchers for private health insurance.

It wants to privatise state schools and colleges and revise British history education, so that teachers only show Britain's imperialist past in a positive light.

It denies climate change and wants to ban schools from teaching it, despite overwhelming scientific proof.

It wants to cut two million public sector jobs, but also wants to deny the vote to people who are unemployed.

It wants to make it harder for trade unions to operate and to scrap workers’ rights i.e. maximum working hours, holiday entitlement, redundancy, sick pay and parental leave.

It wants a flat tax rate which would only benefit the rich.

It opposes same-sex marriage and wants to get rid of British and European human rights’ laws.

It wants to deport all illegal immigrants with no amnesty, regardless of their circumstances.

It wants to bring back foxhunting.

It has ties to far-right racist political organisations in Europe."


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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 24, 2013 11:38 pm

Oh! and, errr, Snake Oil is good for what ails you.
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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by blueturando on Sat May 25, 2013 2:39 am

IVAN....I guess you might be wiser getting your info first hand from the UKIP website rather from Mumsnet of all places. You wouldn't want our fellow posters to be lied to, would you? Below is just one of the lies, would you like me go through a few of the others for you?

It wants to deport all illegal immigrants with no amnesty, regardless of their circumstances.

Fact 1

Measures would be taken to identify illegal immigrants and remove them to their country of origin. Exceptions may be made in limited circumstances, but there would be no general amnesty for illegal migrants.

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Re: Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

Post by Ivan on Sat May 25, 2013 9:35 am

blueturando wrote:-
you might be wiser getting your info first hand from the UKIP website
......which is exactly what I did in the opening posting of this thread, as you would know if you'd bothered to read it. Rolling Eyes

You can post as many of your lies as you like, we're used to them by now. I'm well aware that the lady from Mumsnet is spot on with most of what she wrote, especially on the big issues such as spending 40% more on defence, introducing the flat tax and scrapping most employment rights. She's also correct in mentioning UKIP's opposition to equal marriage and allowing the barbaric practice of foxhunting again (even if that would be decided locally).

It speaks volumes about you that you should rush to defend such a horrible, reactionary party, which peddles misogyny, whose MEPs associate with European fascists, and which BNP and EDL thugs now find so attractive.
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