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Is it right for the Tories to redefine poverty?

Post by astradt1 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:05 pm

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Is this government right to set out a new criteria by which poverty in Britain is measured or is it just a case of moving the goal posts to help them meet a target?

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by astradt1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:46 pm

"Conflation" verb use of numbers by the Tory Party?

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:55 am

A Christmas message from 1944

"All nature is a gigantic struggle between strength and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong over the weak." Adolf Hitler

What goes around, comes around!
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:50 am

Iain Duncan Smith says he’s going to stop benefit tourism. What benefit tourism?

More lies and deception from the scumbag. If British nationals can no longer ‘languish’ on benefits, where is the evidence to suggest that foreign nationals will find it any easier to do so?


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http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/12/iain-duncan-smith-says-hes-going-to-stop-benefit-tourism-what-benefit-tourism/
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:53 pm

Duncan Smith has always seemed to me to be a man who would have been a most 'enthusiastic' Concentration Camp Guard.

 To rank as one of the most spiteful of Tory Ministers says a great deal for the depths he is prepared to plumb. He must surely be one of the most despicable of that poisonous Tory breed that we have had the great misfortune to experience...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:34 pm

When Spaniards want to be really scathing about someone, they describe them as sinverguenza for which the word in English would be "shameless".

Our esteemed Minister is undoubtedly one such.
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Post by Bellatori on Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:00 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Duncan Smith has always seemed to me to be a man who would have been a most 'enthusiastic' Concentration Camp Guard.

 To rank as one of the most spiteful of Tory Ministers says a great deal for the depths he is prepared to plumb. He must surely be one of the most despicable of that poisonous Tory breed that we have had the great misfortune to experience...

But you have to remember that he has never forgiven the electorate for spurning him when he was leader of the Tories from 2001 to 2003 and this is his despite, his revenge...

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Mel on Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:35 pm

Apparently a sullen and angry Iain Duncan Smith and Lord Freud turned up to the Work and Pensions Select Committee last week surrounded by bodyguards and armed police, who proceeded to point their machine guns directly at the small group of disabled claimants waiting to go into the public gallery.  
Does this surprise you?

Extract from "Benefits for work" site
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:40 pm

The first Rule of protest is

Know your enemy.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:24 am

Iain Duncan Smith sneaks out of food banks debate as Tories laugh at stories of starving families

"Duncan Smith refused to answer for the government, leaving it to his deputy, Esther McVey. She sparked fury by claiming it was a good thing that more people were turning to food banks."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-debate-video-iain-2941100#.UrI5BCb2P2V
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:10 pm

No surprise. Last April Esther McVey Conservative Member of Parliament for Wirral West, posted the following report to her constituents:

"I met with Chrissie McLaren who runs the distribution for Wirral Foodbank from the Church on behalf of St Lukes and St Agnes in West Kirby. The foodbank was launched in September last year and it’s the first one to open on this side of the Wirral. The foodbank is open 10.30 am – 1.30 pm every Wednesday and Saturday. For more information contact Chrissie at St Luke’s. "

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Mel on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:23 pm

Seems she likes to think this is something to boast about ow.
Evil is a word that comes to mind.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:34 pm

(backbencher . co.uk)

" My name is Iain Duncan Schitt - or at least it ought to be..."
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:38 pm



Nosferatu.  A Symphony of Horror 1922.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:57 am

An unfair representation.

I didn't like to post a picture of him on one of his 'good days'...
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Post by Bellatori on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:04 am

Mel wrote:Seems she likes to think this is something to boast about ow.
Evil is a word that comes to mind.

She is not evil simply typically Tory and therefore SMUG.

To be evil requires an active participation. These people are worse. They commit acts of true evil through complacency and neglect. Were you to confront such a person they would express surprise  and resentment at your comment. They would even claim that they were working for the betterment of mankind. At least your average concentration camp guard was honest in their evil.

I think I would probably want to misquote Blaise Pascal here...

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from political conviction.

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Post by Mel on Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:45 pm

"Worse" than evil is correct Bell. "SMUG" greedy and mercenary in addition to the Blaise Pascal quotation.. very apt.

A merry Xmas to you Bell, Phil and our learned friend ow.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:29 pm

Many thanks, Mel, and my sincere hope is that all contributors enjoy a well-deserved Christmas. May 2014 be a prosperous year for all of us.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:15 pm

Tory Santa Brings the Usual Joy



" My elves tell me that your Mummy is on benefits and therefore it's no presents for you, sonny. Incidentally, you're not one of those immigrants are you...?"
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:53 pm

Laughing 
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Post by bobby on Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:23 pm

IDS criticises food bank charity Iain Duncan Smith has refused requests to meet the leaders of a major foodbank charity
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Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has refused requests to meet the leaders of a major food bank charity and accused them of "scaremongering", it has emerged.

The Conservative Cabinet Minister told the Trussell Trust he denied claims that benefits reforms were linked to the rocketing number of people turning to it for help and suggested the organisation was political.

Since April more than 500,000 people, of which one third are children, have received emergency supplies from the 400 food banks run by the Trussell Trust charity and it has asked on a number of occasions for meetings with Department for Work and Pensions ministers.

But Mr Duncan Smith criticised the "political messaging of your organisation", which "despite claiming to be non-partisan" had "repeatedly sought to link the growth in your network to welfare reform", according to the Observer.

"I strongly refute this claim and would politely ask you to stop scaremongering in this way," he said in the letter. "I understand that a feature of your business model must require you to continuously achieve publicity, but I'm concerned that you are now seeking to do this by making your political opposition to welfare reform overtly clear."

This excuse for a man just doesn't get it does he. The way I read this is, he is telling us than anyone who cares a damn about the welfare of the poorest in Society is Anti Austerity = Anti Iain Dumkopf Schmidt = Anti Government = Anti Tory = Anti Lib Dem = Pro Socialist = Pro Welfare = Pro Helping Others = PRO LABOUR there really isn't anyone else out there at "present" that will go anywhere near what is needed. I will relish the day when/if a Tory or Lib Dem Candidate comes knocking on my door asking for my support.
My house is at the end of a longish path, and I will (After telling what I think) tell them to leave my property and if they do not do so very quickly, I will evoke the Law and use what necessary force it will take to remove the scum from my path. Probably easier and cheaper to remove than Herr Cameron's Wisteria
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:25 pm

bobby. You beat me to it! Here's another account of the same story:-

Charities condemn Iain Duncan Smith for food bank snub

The hundreds of reader comments which follow the article help to explain why this disgusting excuse for a human being needs an armed guard these days:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/21/iain-duncan-smith-food-banks-charities?commentpage=1
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:50 pm



Bah!  Humbug!  
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Post by Ivan on Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:11 am

bobby wrote:-
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has refused requests to meet the leaders of a major food bank charity and accused them of "scaremongering"

Trussell Trust chairman Chris Mould hits back at Iain Duncan Smith after the Work and Pensions Secretary accused his organisation of "scaremongering"

“We reject the suggestion that we have a political agenda. Our interest is the needs of poor people who we see in their thousands every week. It’s got nothing to do with party politics. The reason we want to see Mr Duncan Smith face-to-face is because he has the responsibility and the power to put things right.

It’s not about scrounging or bad budgeting, many come to a food bank because a health visitor, a social worker or some other respected professional says they have a genuine problem with benefits and welfare. Others are struggling on low incomes. We want a conversation because there are things that the Department for Work & Pensions and Jobcentres can do to make it better for people in crisis. They need to be clear on what help is available to those in dire need, such as short-term benefit advances.

When someone is a few minutes late for an appointment at the Jobcentre because their bus doesn’t turn up, they should not be taking money away for several weeks. It’s inhumane. The process of appeals needs to be faster too. Some people can wait seven months without their correct benefits before a decision is made.”


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Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:12 am

" When someone is a few minutes late for an appointment at the Jobcentre because their bus doesn’t turn up, they should not be taking money away for several weeks. It’s inhumane"

Perhaps the answer is to provide a Ministerial car such as the one to which Duncan Slime undoubtedly has access. And in any event, in the eyes of the Tory Goosestepper, surely those on benefits shouldn't have the luxury of sufficient cash to be able to afford 'bus travel. Let them walk...!
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Post by Ivan on Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:37 pm

When Iain Duncan Smith went to Easterhouse in Glasgow in 2002, he left in tears saying how he wanted to improve the lives of the inhabitants. The bastard has done so well, hasn't he?

http://www.channel4.com/news/benefits-iain-duncan-smith-welfare-revolution-glasgow-easter
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Post by Ivan on Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:31 am

Remember the ‘Betsygate’ affair, which ended Iain Duncan Smith’s leadership of the Tory Party in 2003? That vile creature goes out of his way to deny the poor, sick and disabled benefits to which they’re entitled, yet he should have gone to jail for fraud years ago.

Dr Vanessa Gearson worked for Duncan Smith from August 2002 until September 2003, when he was also 'employing' his wife. These were Dr Gearson’s conclusions:-

“I saw no evidence of Mrs Duncan Smith performing a professional role regarding his diary. I saw no evidence that Mrs Duncan Smith wrote any letters on Mr Duncan Smith's behalf. I saw no evidence that Mrs Duncan Smith took any responsibility for financial arrangements. I saw no evidence of Mrs Duncan Smith requesting office supplies that she would have reasonably needed in order to have carried out such a role.”

For Dr Gearson’s full written statement to the Select Committee on Standards and Privileges:-
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmstnprv/476/476we17.htm
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:51 am

It would come as no surprise whatsoever to discover that Duncan Smith was an especially nasty and hypocritical crook who was quite content to grasp all he could from the taxpayer whilst denying necessities to others.

As has been widely rehearsed, he is at the vilest end of the Tory spectrum - and that is an achievement which speaks volumes for just what an obnoxious specimen he is.

It may be the Season of Goodwill but, in all honesty, how many of us would truly grieve were he to suffer a particularly painful accident...?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:24 am

Are there really those out there whom one might accurately describe as grasping, lying Tory hypocrites?

Whoever would've thought it...?          Twisted Evil
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Post by bobby on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:26 pm

There are so many similarities between the present Tory led Coalition and Nazi Germany, Both started off by telling the public that they are the cure to all National ills, got themselves in power then set about implementing some of the cruellest acts against their own people. The only thing that stopped Herr Adolph Hitler was by losing a war.
Hitler started off with a programme of Ethnic Cleansing, then went on to Social Cleansing, he cut the states responsibilities and concentrated only on His War and the Final Solution (extermination of the Jews).
Looking at Herr David Cameron’s record to date, it is frighteningly similar though there is one fundamental difference and that is Herr Hitler did it very much on his own as a despotic leader, whereas Herr David Cameron didn’t enjoy such political strength on his own, he enlisted the help of the quisling Herr Nick Clegg and very much help from their loyal Lieutenants Iain Dumkopf Schmidt and Danny Alexander and together they mobilised the rest of the Tories and Lib-Dems to move against the sick poor, unemployed and those with other ethnic origins.
That Fart Iain Dumkopf Schmidt really needs to look over his shoulder as once and if Herr Cameron or any other of his ilk (there are so many to choose from you can make a list starting with Boris Johnson) are in a position to rule on their own surely it will only be a matter of time before this Mongrel is looked upon as being impure and due for a spell in on of Hunts concentration centres, I mean how can a part welsh, part English , part Japanese and part Human be anything other than a long-term liability.
Those that started the ball Rolling (the Freicorps, SA Brownshits) in Hitlers Germany where ultimately killed off .
Had someone said to me what I have just written 4 years ago, I would have laughed at the joke and got on with my day. But looking at the similarities in the cold light of day, I am not laughing anymore.
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Post by boatlady on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:33 am

Of course, Hitler's domestic programmes were well under way before he involved Germany in a war - I would guess, if another term is offered to this lot, I wonder if we can begin to fear large-scale armed conflict - the time-scale would be about right and they will feel secure with another 5 year term assured.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:40 pm

Many a slip twixt cup and lip has a well-established place in the English lexicon. Two important events occur in 2014 - MEP elections and a referendum on Scottish Independence, either of which can change the political landscape beyond recognition.

We are living in interesting times.
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Post by boatlady on Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:24 pm

Good point - either could very well be a game changer
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:07 pm



Government Minister prepares new Passport photograph, just in case.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:38 pm

That is surely a picture of a slim-line Eric Pickles during his time as a sixth-former at St Lard's Academy for Fat Tory Bastards.

Although - not being infallible anymore - I may be wrong, of course...
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Post by boatlady on Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:59 pm

We haven't got any radioactive waste - yet
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Only a toxic Coalition.
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Post by Bellatori on Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:55 pm

boatlady wrote:We haven't got any radioactive waste - yet

To quote McEnroe.... You cannot be serious...

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