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Is it right for the Tories to redefine poverty?

Post by astradt1 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:05 pm

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Is this government right to set out a new criteria by which poverty in Britain is measured or is it just a case of moving the goal posts to help them meet a target?

Poverty Measure To Be Redefined By Iain Duncan Smith

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/14/poverty-measure-to-be-redefined_n_1595677.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Bellatori on Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:55 pm

boatlady wrote:We haven't got any radioactive waste - yet

To quote McEnroe.... You cannot be serious...

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by boatlady on Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:23 pm

Have we?
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Bellatori on Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:43 pm

boatlady wrote:Have we?

Yes, loads and some of the most worrisome in the world. You probably think Fukishima is bad! The US store at Hanford and a couple of areas at Sellafield are potentially far more dangerous

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by bobby on Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:02 pm

I remember some years ago of the hue and cry that went out, regarding other countries paying the UK to store/dispose of their Nuclear Waste.
There was even a documentary showing how said waste was transported on a special train almost nightly right through Clapham Junction South London.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:43 pm

There must be a positive side to glowing in the dark.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Bellatori on Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:52 pm

bobby wrote:I remember some years ago of the hue and cry that went out, regarding other countries paying the UK to store/dispose of their Nuclear Waste.
There was even a documentary showing how said waste was transported on a special train almost nightly right through Clapham Junction South London.

You are not mistaken. We store Pu extracted from recycled fuel for other countries. Eventually it has to be returned and they have to accept it (contract) BUT we actually make a lot of money from storing it in the meantime. We have sent back medium level waste turned into glass back to Japan I think where they now store it.

This type of waste is really not a problem. The issue is things like the crud generated in the early days and now in silos that are probably not up to the containment task. Similarly the early magnox skips in underwater store. These like Hanford are potentially very dangerous.

We charge a lot for caring and storing such that people with things to dispose of have gone down the illegal export route. I recall a cobalt-60 source from a radiotherapy unit being found on a dump in West Africa.

Must go... I am in a hotel in Bristol and about to go out for dinner.  Very Happy Tomorrow the zoo - for a visit not for a stay  Very Happy 

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:40 pm

It seems to be a long time since anyone mentioned our friend Iain Duncan Smith on this thread.....  Shocked
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:07 pm

True - but some folk will do anything to avoid thinking about that piece of filth...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:27 pm

Ivan wrote:It seems to be a long time since anyone mentioned our friend Iain Duncan Smith on this thread.....  Shocked

Euoughh! What have I got on my shoe? Pheww!


Does that count as a mention?
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by methought on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:58 pm

He appears to be a very evil and cruel man who enjoys causing suffering. His favourite book is called 'Nudge' and he has learnt his lessons from it well.

Perhaps his visit to Glasgow was just his first step towards dehumanising suffering in others.


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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by methought on Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:06 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-07/uk-government-admits-it-allowed-2-firms-sell-poison-gas-making-chemicals-syria

oops - uk fingers in the pie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415081/Britain-sent-poison-chemicals-Assad-Proof-UK-delivered-Sarin-agent-Syrian-regime.html

and in the soup

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10531006/Britain-to-help-destroy-Syrias-chemical-weapons.html

but seemingly purchased on 'sale or return' basis .......................
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:22 pm



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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:10 pm

All together now ................ !!

For he's a jolly good fellow,
for he's a jolly good fellow
For he's a jolly good fellow (pause), and so say all of us
And so say all of us,
and so say all of us,
For he's a jolly good fellow,
for he's a jolly good fellow
For he's a jolly good fellow (pause), and so say all of us!


(The tune is of French origin and dates at least from the 18th century. Allegedly it was composed the night after the Battle of Malplaquet in 1709 and became a French folk tune popularized by Marie Antoinette after she heard one of her maids singing it.)
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:21 pm

Next week : the origins of " My Old Man's a Dustman"...     Shocked
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:55 pm

IDS could do a dustman's job, if he had to.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by methought on Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:53 pm

because he always looks happy doing the dirty work...?
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Iain Duncan Smith's 100 Biggest Failures.

Post by buckspygmy on Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:29 pm

This is well worth a read and is a useful source of links to evidence:-

http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2014/01/the-cost-of-ids-100-ways-iain-duncan.html


The Cost of IDS: 100 ways Iain Duncan Smith’s Department have made life worst for the sick, poor &
disabled, by Éoin Clarke, 15
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by boatlady on Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:41 pm

I do wonder though if IDS has only been kept on for his undoubted usefulness as a scapegoat, who can divert attention form the many other wickednesses of this government
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Dan Fante on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:18 pm

I don't think they're that clever. I think IDS was going to lead the soopa-doopa changes to the benefits system that was going to radically change society. Or at least that was the plan.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:46 pm

Rumour has it that Cameron tried to move Duncan Smith from the DWP at the last cabinet reshuffle but that he refused to be shifted. If that's true, I can only think of two possible explanations:-
1. Cameron is so pathetically weak that he's not in charge of the government. Maybe Rupert Murdoch didn't approve the change?
2. Perhaps Duncan Smith has got something on Cameron, and so he has to keep him inside the tent peeing out rather than have him outside peeing in.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:35 pm

One imagines that they just couldn't find anyone who could bring such unadulterated enthusiasm and bloodlust to the job as the cruel and totally repulsive Duncan Smith...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by boatlady on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:01 pm

He does approach his task with a refreshing enthusiasm

 lol! lol! lol! 
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by methought on Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:25 pm

It's a pincer movement - IDS says the most provocatively discriminatory things he can get away with, and Boris invests in the water cannon to manage our right to march peacefully in case we want to demonstrate a different point of view. To understand what he is doing you should read 'Nudge' as it was a revelatory book that has fired IDS up to create merry hell wherever he sees the opportunity.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:21 am

Duncan Smith can't hide the death of "compassionate conservatism"

Extracts from an article by George Eaton:-

After nearly four years and multiple management and IT failures (with £40.1m of assets written off), the introduction of Universal Credit, Duncan Smith's master plan to transform welfare and "make work pay", has been so slow as to render it almost invisible. At the end of last September, 2,150 people were claiming the new benefit, 997,850 short of the target of one million.

Rather than Universal Credit, it is welfare cuts such as the benefit cap and the bedroom tax that have defined the government's approach. Duncan Smith defends the abolition of the "spare room subsidy", claiming it has forced people to move to smaller council houses, freeing up space for larger families, while ignoring the reality that such properties hardly exist. Rather than reducing overcrowding, the policy has simply become another welfare cut, further squeezing families already hit by the benefit cap, the 1% limit on benefit and tax credit increases and the 10% reduction in council tax benefit.

The policy takes no account of the disabled, for whom additional space is not a luxury but a necessity. Of the 660,000 social housing tenants affected by the bedroom tax, the DWP estimates 420,000 are disabled. They now face the unpalatable choice of either falling into arrears (by paying an extra £728 in rent) or downsizing to an unsuitable property. Yet, absurdly, Duncan Smith claims his welfare cuts "have helped people feel that bit more secure about their futures, feel more hopeful about their children’s lives and rekindle their pride in their communities".


For the whole article:-
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/01/duncan-smith-cant-hide-death-compassionate-conservatism
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by bobby on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:55 pm

Phil Hornby said: "One imagines that they just couldn't find anyone who could bring such unadulterated enthusiasm and bloodlust to the job as the cruel and totally repulsive Duncan Smith..."

He could have all of his present attributes and look like Michael Gove trying to look hard?
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:34 pm

Evidently the main requirement of a Parliamentary candidate is that they should be fully prepared to look a complete twat, in support of The Party line.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:16 pm

Only UKIP can rescue IDS now ...

http://money.uk.msn.com/news/uk-benefits-too-low-report

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has dismissed as "lunacy" a Council of Europe report suggesting UK social security payments are "manifestly inadequate".
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:20 pm

I have to concede that, when it comes to lunacy, Duncan Smith has the benefit of considerable experience...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:39 pm



The IDS solution to under-occupancy
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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:46 pm

The particular bad news which awaits the unwary occupants is that those are actually microwave ovens...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:04 am

"Millions of low-paid workers are trapped in an unbreakable cycle of poverty"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/working-poor-trapped-in-unbreakable-cycle-of-poverty-turn-to-food-banks-in-their-lunch-breaks-9117820.html



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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:49 pm

Catholic archbishop attacks welfare reform
 
Millionaire Iain Duncan Smith may be a practising Catholic, but he’s just got it in the neck from this country’s most senior Catholic, Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster. He's described this government’s welfare reforms as a disgrace for leaving people facing destitution.
 
Mr Nichols said: “I think what's happening is two things. One is that the basic safety net, that was there to guarantee that people would not be left in hunger or in destitution has actually been torn apart. It no longer exists, and that is a real real dramatic crisis. And the second is that, in this context, the administration of social assistance - I am told - has become more and more punitive.” The sick Tory reply was that welfare reforms will "transform the lives" of the poorest families. Yeah, they can work for nothing in Poundland, get evicted, rely on foodbanks and in some cases commit suicide.  Evil or Very Mad 
 
A ‘spokesperson’ for the DWP (in other words, that lying bastard IDS trying to remain anonymous) said: "Universal credit is making three million households better off and lifting hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty. It's wrong to talk of removing a safety net when we're spending £94 billion a year on working age benefits and the welfare system supports millions of people who are on low incomes or unemployed so they can meet their basic needs." Believe that if you like, but remember that most of those ‘benefits’ go to help pay rents which are too high and to subsidise wages which are too low.
 
In March 2013, Anglican clergymen, including the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York, accused IDS of ignoring the concerns of ordinary people. They signed a letter claiming, that far from lifting children out of poverty, capping benefit rises would have a "deeply disproportionate" effect on children.
 
More details:-
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26200157
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/15/welfare-reform-disgrace-archbishop-westminster
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:06 pm

"... Iain Duncan Smith may be a practising Catholic... "

He is a practising inhuman evil tyrant, if truth be told.

 And, if there was any justice, he would be marched to the gallows to meet a lingering death. Few people in recent times have been worthy of such contempt . His name is synonymous with the very worst and most punitive excesses that have disgraced politics anywhere on earth...
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:50 am

1. Cameron quizzed over 'suppressed' food bank report

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/care/cameron-quizzed-over-suppressed-food-bank-report/7001761.article

2. Judge to rule on soup kitchen's legal challenge against council

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/legal/judge-to-rule-on-soup-kitchens-legal-challenge-against-council/7002217.article
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by buckspygmy on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:25 pm

 
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefits-uk-testing-firm-atos-3168142
Benefits firm Atos wants to end its hated testing regime for the ConDem government - because it says the system "isn't working".

A nationwide campaign against the French firm's benefit tests have forced the company to seek an early exit from a £500m government contract.

Atos faced 144 separate protests outside its offices across the UK earlier this week in a day of action against the firm.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:37 pm

Atos?  The advice has been available for six-hundred years.

Therefore behoveth hire a ful long spoon, the schal ete with a feend.
Chaucer: Squire's tale We don't need to feel sorry for Atos.

However, the obvious drawback to any kind of "outsourcing" is that the Civil Service loses its expertise over time, and there is no longer a centrally-held database of knowledge.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:25 pm

Minister apologises

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/minister-apologise-woman-coma-find-work?CMP=twt_gu
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:27 pm

More blood on the hands of Iain Duncan Smith:-
 
Vulnerable man starved to death after benefits were cut
 
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/man-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:21 pm

More evidence that Cameron is still deep in Rupert Murdoch's pocket - a new appointment (Richard Caseby) for Iain Duncan Smith's department:-
 
http://ilegal.org.uk/thread/8438/dwp-murdoch-media-links?page=1&scrollTo=21243
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