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Is it right for the Tories to redefine poverty?

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Is this government right to set out a new criteria by which poverty in Britain is measured or is it just a case of moving the goal posts to help them meet a target?

Poverty Measure To Be Redefined By Iain Duncan Smith

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/14/poverty-measure-to-be-redefined_n_1595677.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by boatlady on Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:35 pm

If you like - after all you're the boss sunny

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by stuart torr on Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:10 pm

Oh my boatlady I wish I was sometimes, all those richies taxed til they drop no matter where they lived, just to see the look on their faces. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing their faces Sad Sad Sad
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:06 pm

We believe in rewarding the willingness to work and helping people stand on their own two feet." (Iain Duncan Smith)


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Iain Duncan Smith to accelerate benefit reforms to stop Labour reversing them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11321769/Iain-Duncan-Smith-to-accelerate-benefit-reforms-to-stop-Labour-reversing-them.html
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by stuart torr on Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:00 pm

Know what it feels like Ivan
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by bobby on Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:06 am

"Benefits bill 'virtually unchanged' despite Coalition cuts, Institute for Fiscal Studies finds"
The Institute for Fiscal Studies finds that the biggest cuts in the welfare system are 'yet to come' and that people of working age could see their benefits slashed by 23 per cent.
Steven Swinford,   The Telegraph
Britain's benefits bill has not fallen over the past four years and will have to be cut dramatically in the next Parliament to meet George Osborne's plans to balance the books, an influential economic forecaster has said."

The Total Bastard Iain Dumkopf Schmidt is still claiming success, What a Prick.
It is as plain as day that this failed Coalition Government has cocked up everything it set out to do, if in fact it did set out to do anything other than fill their own pockets, at the expense of the poor, sick and elderly.

I do though wonder if we will be hearing much publicity re their abject failure
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by boatlady on Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:55 am

The reality, which is becoming quite obvious to anyone who really looks at the figures, is that it is in fact more expensive to starve the poor than it would be to pay a decent level of social security and actually help people to find appropriate work where it is available.

This government is guilty of waste on an epic scale, in the pursuit of tiny, insignificant savings
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:59 pm

The extract below is not for anyone who suffers from hypertension! I thought it must be 1 April when I read it.  Exclamation

Matthew d’Ancona has been the political columnist and deputy editor of ‘The Sunday Telegraph’ and editor of ‘The Spectator’. He now writes for ‘GQ’ and ‘The Evening Standard’ and has a weekly column in ‘The Guardian’, for which this is part of his latest contribution:-

The reinvention of Iain Duncan Smith: is he the man to save the Tories?

As I watched Iain Duncan Smith on ‘The Andrew Marr Show’, it occurred to me that the very humility and placidity that so unsuited him to the leader’s job are precisely what make him such an asset to his party at this specific moment. For starters, IDS incarnates the simplicity of style, calmness of countenance and visible sincerity of motive that elude many of his colleagues.

The national rollout of Duncan Smith’s universal credit is a moment of great opportunity as well as appreciable risk for the Tories. It is a tribute to his resilience and determination that a reform once seen as a front runner to become 'Cameron’s poll tax' is being launched during a knife-edge election campaign.

Long before he took over the Department for Work and Pensions, IDS had already been Tory leader, and experienced the wretchedness of being fired by his own side. So, in 2010, his ambition was absolutely clear and absolutely limited. Like an unstoppable cyborg programmed with bourgeois decency – the Suburbinator – IDS has simply refused to give in.

Those who believe that IDS’s purpose is to shrink the state or slash public spending do not understand him. They may well despise his definition of “social justice” and its emphasis upon personal responsibility. But – in contrast to many Tories – he undoubtedly sees welfare through an ethical rather than a fiscal prism. As leader, IDS often looked positively puzzled by the country he aspired to govern. But as a social reformer he has addressed its problems directly. Most of those who hate his proposals concede that his ambition is authentic.


If you can stomach the rest of the article:-
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/15/iain-duncan-smith-tories-universal-credit

Some of the reader comments underneath the article speak volumes:-

Hideous, ill-informed, sycophantic dross.”

Tory propaganda garbage. Ignore the facts, the evictions, the suicides, the lies, the sanctioning league tables and the man's unquenchable dishonesty and pretend he's a decent politician.”

The Conservatives are so deeply steeped in corruption, nastiness and self-regard that the receding tide of morality leaves just this single, mendacious, cruel and self-deceiving aristocrat beached and dry.”

A bitter and disillusioned man but, moreover, probably knows where the bodies are buried. His performance in office since 2010 is lamentable, other people in equivalent positions would have been sacked or demoted long ago. However, because he has something in his pocket to let out if he loses his job, status and power, he is allowed to meander on sowing the seeds of misery and discontent and reaping only the outcome of disasters.”

Duncan Smith is the biggest liar in a cabinet of compulsive liars. His thrills come from pleasing his betters and treading on his minions. He has failed at everything in his life with perhaps the solitary exception of managing to keep his job as a minister in a government of liars. There is nothing good about him, no honesty, no integrity, no work ethic, no charity, no empathy, and no sympathy, as the number of people killing themselves on his watch will attest - all while he denies any responsibility.”
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Mel on Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:43 pm

Unfortunately the reader comments are not highlighted enough for the majority of reading readers to take in. Therefore as usual the Tory press and Herr Duncan Shmit get away with outright propaganda.
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Post by boatlady on Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:11 pm

an unstoppable cyborg programmed with bourgeois decency

Well, I can go with the inhuman cyborg thing, but I don't think it's bourgeois decency he's programmed with - more genocidal fervour
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by stuart torr on Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:06 pm

They are trying the same with myself at the moment Ivan, just waiting to see what they actually do,and if they do anything to follow up their letters.
Fortunately I am a little stronger than those unfortunate people, but see how much they cut if any first I will let the forum know.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Norm Deplume on Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:25 pm

I hope you do not do badly out of this, Stu, but IDS will not be happy until everyone is "off benefits" and working for considerably less than a living wage on zero hours contracts.

I've had some experience of the "reforms" when I applied for Personal Independence Payment in November 2013. It was July 2014 before I was assessed and November before I got any money. At least it was backdated, but I would rather have been assessed and paid earlier.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by stuart torr on Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:09 pm

Thanks very much Norm, but I have a very good solicitor who works for me for nothing, but if needed I WILL CALL HIM IN AND TRY AND SORT THEM.
Once again thanks and sorry that you had to go through it with these B's.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Sun May 10, 2015 11:49 pm

The Ballad of Iain Duncan Smith

by MisterLeo123

Iain joined the army
Where he learned to fight and kill
Then turned his hand to politics
To attack the poor and ill
For Iain was a coward
And that’s what cowards do
Tread down on those less fortunate,
More vulnerable than you.

‘An end to dependency culture’
His campaign thus construed
In truth it was a vulture
That stole poor people’s food
With every punitive measure
Their will he tried to break
And rape our hard-earned treasure:
Our national Welfare state.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/iain-duncan-smith-conservative-cabinet-david-cameron-welfare-cuts
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by sickchip on Mon May 11, 2015 7:19 pm

Basically the electorate have given the Tory party a mandate to carry on murdering people who claim welfare. Essentially British people are sadistic cnuts and enjoy watching people lower down the ladder suffer. The tories are doing to benefit claimants what the Nazis did to jews.....conducting a vicious propaganda campaign to scapegoat them and divert the public eye from the real thieves and traitors to British society.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by oftenwrong on Mon May 11, 2015 10:55 pm

The real mystery is how they found 20,999 vampires registered to vote.


General Election 2015: Chingford and Woodford Green
TURNOUT - 65.68% MAJORITY - 19.14%

Conservative
Iain Duncan Smith 20,999

Labour
Bilal Mahmood 12,613

United Kingdom Independence Party
Freddy Vachha 5,644

Liberal Democrats
Anne Crook 2,400

Green Party
Rebecca Tully 1,854

Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition
Len Hockey 241

Class War
Lisa McKenzie 53


Majority 8,386
Turnout 43,804 66%
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Post by sickchip on Fri May 15, 2015 1:21 am

Welfare reforms are apparently very popular with the electorate.

So! It appears murdering the less fortunate is popular - a vote winner. Basically tory voters may as well wander the streets looking for tramps to kick to death.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by starlight07 on Fri May 15, 2015 10:27 am

I should say goodbye to any maternity pay in the near future.

The cuts are coming from the wrong places. Squeeze money from the poor and increase savings for the rich.
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Post by bobby on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:09 pm

The Telegraph :  "Iain Duncan Smith had his official credit card suspended after running up more than £1,000 in expenses debts, it can be revealed."
Dear oh dear oh dear,  will the evil git Iain Dumkopf Schmidt ever know when to stop lying, cheating and stealing from a nation who thanks to his Governments failed policy of austerity is still in debt after 5 years of suffering by the poor, sick and needy.
It is totally beyond me as to how the snake can look himself in the mirror (when wondering where his hair has gone). He has much blood on his hands, has broken several laws in his pursuit of victimising the poorest in our country, yet he still sees the need to nick more money than he is entitled to.
What a shame we didn't hear about this in todays PMQ's.  
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:15 pm

Is it any surprise that this piece of filth has been caught advantaging himself at somebody else's expense - whilst disadvantaging others...
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Post by Ivan on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:34 pm

A former neighbour of mine told me some years ago that he had been caught by speeding cameras twice on the same day, going to work and coming home. It was on a road that he had been using for years, and suddenly the speed limit had been reduced without him noticing. He also told me, quite casually, that his wife had agreed to take three of the six points he incurred on that day, and I’m quite sure he didn’t think he had done anything seriously wrong. After all, those lovely Hamiltons escaped punishment altogether when they “couldn’t remember” which of them had been driving.

As we now know, giving speeding points to your wife can end your political career and land you in jail, even if you did so eight or nine years ago, and especially if you subsequently leave your wife for another woman. However, is what Chris Huhne did anywhere near as despicable and unworthy of high office as the way in which the sick, evil and thoroughly dishonest sociopath Iain Duncan Smith conducts himself? I think not, and can only conclude that someone wanted Huhne out of the way, while IDS can’t be touched because he knows where the bodies are buried.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:43 pm

Politics is most assuredly a dirty business. And nobody is dirtier or more despicable than Duncan Smith.

It is my fervent wish that one day he reaps what he has so spitefully and willingly sown.
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Post by Claudine on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:45 pm

The man sickens me and I have a feeling that this incident may only be the tip of a very large iceberg.

He is completely without morals and a conscience and at the same time, he deigns to lecture lesser advantaged people about their lack of Christian values.

One of these days, and I hope it comes soon, he will be reaping what he has sown and I only hope that he receives as much empathy as he has shown others.
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:59 pm

It's not often that a chap gets to revenge himself upon Society for a lifetime of personal slights, is it?
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Post by Ivan on Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:09 pm

More evidence of the 'compassionate Conservatism' which emanates from Iain Duncan Smith's department.....  Mad

Frank Field MP accuses DWP benefits assessors of asking when terminally ill claimants “expect to be dead

Field reports that two of his terminally ill constituents have directly been asked by benefits assessors when they expect to die. He is challenging the Department for Work and Pensions on the intrusion his constituents claim to have suffered.

More details here:-
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/frank-field-mp-accuses-dwp-benefits-assessors-asking-when-terminally-ill-claimants
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:33 pm

One could be forgiven for believing that Duncan Smith is mentally ill.

If he isn't, he is even more evil and despicable than I thought....
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Post by Ivan on Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:00 pm

Just as he did at last year's Tory conference, Duncan Smith cheered every announcement of a welfare cut during Osborne's Budget today... Mad


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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:49 pm

It was the Thatcher government which introduced Care in the Community. Though unfortunately it is not infallible.
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Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:45 am

DWP admits inventing quotes from fake 'benefits claimants' for sanctions leaflet

From an article by Kevin Rawlinson and Frances Perraudin:-

A leaflet produced by the Department of Work and Pensions has been hastily withdrawn after it emerged that it contained fabricated quotations from fictitious people supposedly taking about their positive experiences of the welfare system. The leaflet included pictures of ‘Sarah’ and ‘Zac’, who were presented as sickness benefits claimants who had their some of their benefits withdrawn or had been threatened with benefit removal.

The Public Commercial Services Union’s general secretary, Mark Serwotka, said: “It is disgraceful and sinister that the DWP has been trying to trick people into believing claimants are happy to have their benefits stopped or threatened. Sanctions are unnecessarily punitive and counterproductive, and should be scrapped.” Unite’s assistant general secretary, Steve Turner, said: “This is a shameful attempt by Iain Duncan Smith to bend the truth and gloss over the human misery of his cruel sanctions regime.”


More details:-
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/18/dwp-admits-making-up-positive-quotes-from-benefits-claimants-for-leaflet


http://www.independent.co.uk

DWP admits making up quotes by 'benefit claimants' saying sanctions helped them

From an article by Jon Stone:-

In response to a freedom of information request by the ‘Welfare Weekly’ website, the DWP said the quotes were not actually real cases and that the photos were not of real claimants

In March this year, Parliament's Work and Pensions Select Committee said there was evidence that sanctions were geared towards punishing people for being unemployed and might not actually help them find work. The MPs said there was evidence that the benefit cuts for unemployed people caused more problems than they solved and might be "purely punitive".

Previous widely-criticised decisions include people being sanctioned for missing JobCentre appointments because they had to attend a job interview, or people sanctioned for not looking for work because they had already secured a job due to start in a week’s time. In one case a man with heart problems was sanctioned because he had a heart attack during a disability benefits assessment and thus failed to complete the assessment.

Charities including 'Crisis' and 'The Joseph Rowntree Foundation' say the sanctions are responsible for a significant increase in homelessness and rough sleeping in Britain under Cameron's government.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-admits-making-up-quotes-by-benefit-claimants-saying-sanctions-helped-them-10460351.html
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:19 am

If this issue - and the cases of victims which emanate from it - isn't tailor-made for a full-frontal incessant attack on the vicious Duncan Smith and Tories in general , I don't know what is.

But where are Labour banging on about the disgusting tactics used and the individuals affected by the policy of sanctions? In the name of pity, what the hell are they doing as an opposition? Little wonder that they did not have the confidence of the public when the time came to select a government back in May.
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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by bobby on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:01 pm

Spot on your Eminence Very Happy, You must forgive them,  they are far too busy vying for the top job to be able to spend time worrying about the poor.  
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:16 pm

Ah, bobby - I haven't seen you at Confession for quite some time! Take three Hail Marys for your trouble... jocolor

I used to think that Norman Tebbitt was as nasty as somebody allegedly human could become, but this Duncan Smith creature plumbs even greater vile depths. He should be the constant target of ( fully justifiable)attacks from Labour - before they start on a few other of the Tory Tyrants...
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:25 pm

But surely 20,999 burgesses of Chingford and Wood Green cannot all be wrong....?


Conservative Iain Duncan Smith 20,999 48%

Labour Bilal Mahmood 12,613 29%

United Kingdom Independence Party
Freddy Vachha 5,644 13%

Liberal Democrats Anne Crook 2,400 5%

Green Party Rebecca Tully 1,854 4%

Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition
Len Hockey 241 <1 %

Class War Lisa McKenzie 53 <1 %

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Re: Iain Duncan Smith

Post by Ivan on Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:34 pm

Why are we angry with the DWP? We should be thanking them for making life seem so positive

Article by Mark Steel:-

During the summer holidays, if you’re in search of artistic expressions of imagination and creativity, instead of the Tate Modern, try the Department for Work and Pensions........

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-angry-with-the-dwp-we-should-be-thanking-them-for-making-life-seem-so-positive-10464404.html
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Post by boatlady on Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:38 am

Very droll chap, that Mark Steel
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:23 pm

It's always disappointing to see public money used for negative purposes.

But there aren't many right-wing comedians are there? Why is that?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:32 pm

I was going to suggest Jim Davidson.

But then I remembered that you said 'comedians'...
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Post by Ivan on Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:46 pm

"Work can help promote recovery if someone falls ill", says Iain Duncan Smith.

(That translates as: "No state-funded support is sacred for those incapable of working".)

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/iain-duncan-smith-preparing-another-attack-disabled-people


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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:38 pm

The Law provides well-established procedures for dealing with people who are financial bankrupts.

Such a shame there is no similar machinery to deal with a man who is morally bankrupt.
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