Blue Labour

by Redflag Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:15 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Labour

by oftenwrong Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:51 pm

The media likes to "pigeonhole" politicians, and relate them to known previous characters for ease of description.
Shortage of space on a newspaper page forces headlines like "Bush invades Iraq" though of course it was thousands of US Military who actually did that.

In the same way, lazy reporters encapsulate a Labour Leader in a way that fits the prejudice of their Readers.

by sickchip Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:47 pm

....they were just doing what they were told to do.

by Redflag Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:24 am

sickchip wrote:....they were just doing what they were told to do.

I got alll of my post of the web not from newspapers, and the reason I went looking for it OUR Labour party is not doing a lot to refute the Tory LIES to stop there drip drip effect on the voters of the UK. It would be so easy to refute its "All Labours Mess" by giving the UK voters the facts and figures how much they borrowed to bail out the banks and how much they had borrowed to keep our NHS schools and pay the welfare bill, and we all know that most of the welfare bill goes on pension. Now the Tories are making our Labour party use Tory policies when Ed Balls and Ed Miliband are coming out with they may have to keep the Bedroom Tax and he may have to freeze pensions, Labour MPs right across the UK are seeing the effect the Bedroom tax is having on there constituents and they know it is cruel and nasty what the Tories are doing to the sick disabled and the vulnerable people of the UK.

I know when the Labour party get back into power in 2015 they will not be able to wave a magic wand and all will be well, I can only imagine the state of things will be after the Tories are done, the majority of the public sector will be in private hands and most of the private sector are only there for profit profit profit not to run our services its obvious now our public sector is in melt down never mind what state it is going to be in come 2015.

Who are BLUE LABOUR ; Founder Lord Maurice Glasman
Jon Crudas

by oftenwrong Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:36 am

There's possibly something not quite kosher about that cutting at the head of this thread, redflag. The authorship is credited to a firm called ImageEarn.com. Which when you look it up on Alexa is described as: " free adult image hosting, porn pic hosting, share adult pictures, free sex pics upload, share original photos worldwide, free porn upload, browse thousands of adult pictures."

The original on the BBC's website can be seen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22625849

by Redflag Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:53 am

oftenwrong wrote:There's possibly something not quite kosher about that cutting at the head of this thread, redflag. The authorship is credited to a firm called ImageEarn.com. Which when you look it up on Alexa is described as: " free adult image hosting, porn pic hosting, share adult pictures, free sex pics upload, share original photos worldwide, free porn upload, browse thousands of adult pictures."

The original on the BBC's website can be seen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22625849

Thank you OW for that link, I did not see anything untoward when I went on to these sites because if I had of came across anything of a perverted nature would have left the site PRONTO

by oftenwrong Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:07 pm

Speak as you find, of course, and there may be no cause for concern, but I can think of no reason for the BBC, which has its own website, to require the services of a web provider company such as ImageBam.

In fact the more that I read about "the proposed alternative", the more I suspect intervention by unfriendly elements.

by tlttf Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:57 am

Should be "black and blue" from the kicking the unions are giving him. Let's see, if labour get into power in 2015 they intend to keep all the cuts that the coalition is making, allow more unregulated immigration for "students" and borrow more money to fund the ever growing welfare state where they would rather give benefit increases than push through the trickier "living wage.

Personally I'm not sure what labour stand for any more, I do know it doesn't stand for the working man/woman and as an opposition facing what should be the weakest government of all time, the two Ed's actually make them appear competent.

by Redflag Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:56 am

tittf At least you have time to ponder about Labour as you already know what your party stands for cut every thing from the sick disabled and the VULNERABLE, and give it to the bankers big company bosses and not forgetting the private sector bosses that fail to do there job then give them a huge golden Handshake.

Most of us on here know what Labour stands for, the reason for Labour HAVING to keep some of the Tory policies they have a good idea of what things are going to be like when the Tory led gov't is finished, they have BORROWED more in FIVE years than Labour did in there 13 years in office. That is not counting some of the dodgy deals with the private sector the Tories will have done, like most of the Tory MPs having shares in companies that are selling to OUR NHS.

PS In a polll done recently in London question asked who would you trust with the finances of the UK, Ed Balls came out THREE points clear of Osborne and Cameron.

by tlttf Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:27 am

Never heard of a poll anywhere (never mind London) that shows Balls capable of doing anything red.

With the present concerns over the union telling labour what to do, Ken Livingstone was being interviewed on LBC and he let slip that Miliband phoned him the previous evening to reassure him that he wouldn't speak or write anything that could cause offence to Kens politics. Now since when does a political leader (acting as a press officer) consult with an ex-mp before making a statement in public?

Why are the shadow cabinet keeping their distance from poor old Ed, why aren't they showing him support?
Do they know something Ed doesn't?

by Redflag Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:01 am

tlttf wrote:Never heard of a poll anywhere (never mind London) that shows Balls capable of doing anything red.

With the present concerns over the union telling labour what to do, Ken Livingstone was being interviewed on LBC and he let slip that Miliband phoned him the previous evening to reassure him that he wouldn't speak or write anything that could cause offence to Kens politics. Now since when does a political leader (acting as a press officer) consult with an ex-mp before making a statement in public?

Why are the shadow cabinet keeping their distance from poor old Ed, why aren't they showing him support?
Do they know something Ed doesn't?

You would not have seen that poll because you did not go looking for it, and we know that Cameron & Osborne have done nothing right since May 2010 the flatlining economy and the figures they both have FIDDLED and with all the cuts NOBODY will trust them to run the country come 2015 I do not need to remind you of all the cuts to normal working man/women and workfare what kind of experience is that stacking shelves you do that every week you put your shopping away.

I heard that inerview with Ken and he did not mention anything about Kens politics making up stories just like this gov't they have taught you well tittf, the majority of Labour MPs are supporting Ed all the way, and with trouble in the Tory back benches apparently there quite a few of those 46 names to rid you of Cameron by late Autumn so I think you do better to look to your own party and help out to the best of your ability. cheers

by tlttf Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:10 am

Sorry Red, have searched everywhere for the poll (I live in London), can't find it perhaps you could supply the link?

I never mentioned Kens politics and if you heard the broadcast then you'll know that Ken said Miliband phoned him the previous night prior to him attacking the union. Though as Ed has since changed his mind "again" I'm not sure what his stance is. Though he could get a new job as a stand up comedian, if he could remember not to leave his script in the toilet before hand of course. Very Happy

I don't give a t*ss about any of the parties at Parliament, they're all bleeding heart Liberals with no difference between them. I want independents with minimum control. As I believe I know the best way to spend my money.

by oftenwrong Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:25 am

tlttf wrote:Never heard of a poll anywhere (never mind London) that shows Balls capable of doing anything red.

With the present concerns over the union telling labour what to do, Ken Livingstone was being interviewed on LBC and he let slip that Miliband phoned him the previous evening to reassure him that he wouldn't speak or write anything that could cause offence to Kens politics. Now since when does a political leader (acting as a press officer) consult with an ex-mp before making a statement in public?

Why are the shadow cabinet keeping their distance from poor old Ed, why aren't they showing him support?
Do they know something Ed doesn't?

Did you actually hear the LBC broadcast, tlttf? Or are you merely retailing a nasty little smear in The Torygraph? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100225144/ed-miliband-rings-ken-livingstone-to-reassure-him-then-texts-to-disown-guardian-story-is-he-labour-leader-or-a-junior-press-officer/

by tlttf Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:27 am

Yes OW, any more questions?

http://lbc.audioagain.com/index.php?channel_id=298&player=showchannel&sid=1

by Redflag Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:26 pm

tlttf wrote:Never heard of a poll anywhere (never mind London) that shows Balls capable of doing anything red.

With the present concerns over the union telling labour what to do, Ken Livingstone was being interviewed on LBC and he let slip that Miliband phoned him the previous evening to reassure him that he wouldn't speak or write anything that could cause offence to Kens politics. Now since when does a political leader (acting as a press officer) consult with an ex-mp before making a statement in public?

Why are the shadow cabinet keeping their distance from poor old Ed, why aren't they showing him support?
Do they know something Ed doesn't?

As I said earlier you do not want to find it but I think OW has done the donkey work for you with a link to said interview, Ed has said from the beginning he wants to mend not end the link between the Labour party and the Unions, no more so would the Tories break their link with the City of London banks (it's too lucrative) for all what the banks did in 2008 brought this country to its knees and if anybody had a good reason to break their ties it's the Tory party with the banks it has been caught Casino banking and Libor rate so that is twice it's been caught doing WRONG. Not forgetting Andy Coulson been brought into No10, he is up on charges of been involved in hacking and here in Scotland he has to answer to a Perjury charge so before you talk about other parties look to your own backyard because Kettle & Black come to mind.

by Redflag Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:49 pm

tlttf wrote:Never heard of a poll anywhere (never mind London) that shows Balls capable of doing anything red.

With the present concerns over the union telling labour what to do, Ken Livingstone was being interviewed on LBC and he let slip that Miliband phoned him the previous evening to reassure him that he wouldn't speak or write anything that could cause offence to Kens politics. Now since when does a political leader (acting as a press officer) consult with an ex-mp before making a statement in public?

Why are the shadow cabinet keeping their distance from poor old Ed, why aren't they showing him support?
Do they know something Ed doesn't?

am 1 by Eunice221,

I thought you may want to see this tittf, this is the Poll I spoke about in my post cheers

by tlttf Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:46 am

Time for Ed to return to the drawing board as being a Tory lite isn't why people joined the labour party. A letter from a former party memeber.

Miliband and Labour have lost sight of their core principles

Published on the 11 July
2013
06:00

From: Peter Asquith-Cowen, First Lane, Anlaby, near Beverley, Kingston-upon-Hull.

The rift that has opened between Labour and the party’s biggest donor, Unite, was, in my opinion, inevitable.

The Labour Party was “sold down the river” by Tony Blair, and was re-conceived and subtly re-packaged as New Labour – a party that has operated more like the Tory Party.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/debate/letters/miliband-and-labour-have-lost-sight-of-their-core-principles-1-5839018

by **Ivan** Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 am

tlttf. I doubt if Ed Miliband wants advice from one of his party's enemies, do you? Last week you were trying to milk the events in Falkirk. Now that Ed has done something about what happened, that appears to be wrong too. Mad

You really are scraping the barrel if you think that the anecdotal evidence of one letter from an ex-Labour Party member is significant and merits discussion.

by Redflag Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:43 am

Ivan, both tittf and blue always scrape the bottom of the barrel on a regular basis, they are both Tory supporters so what else would you or anybody else expect? They talk about the Unite Union as buying favours from the Labour party, yet Cameron has dinners in No10 or Chequers costing their donors £250,000 with a policy change for dessert. When this story broke due to TV reporter sting Cameron said he would get this investigated. IT'S BEEN ONE YEAR SINCE THAT PROMISE AND NO REPORT YET it looks like its OK for the Tories to do it but if Labour do that is entirely a different story.

Just incase the Tories do not know the history of the Labour party or their own let me enlighten them, in the 1820s-30s when the Labour party had not come into being when the Tory type ruled the UK and is then and now wages were DISGRACEFULLY LOW these people where working from 6.am till 8.pm for BUTTONS but that was not good enough for these Tory type so they tried to reduce the workers wages no difference from today, they did not sit back and let this pass so they formed a Union but for their trouble they were transported to Australia thanks to Tory type bosses, but this is where the Great Brittish sense of justice came into being it took them 3 years to get these 3 GOOD MEN back from Austrailia then low and behold the LABOUR PARTY WAS BORN I AM VERY PROUD TO COME FROM THIS HUMBLE BEGINNING[/b.

Unlike the Tory beginning which consists of people that have money and will do their EFFING UPMOST to hang on to it, again no difference from today as the front of todays Daily's " RICH PAY 35% TAX POOR PAY 36% TAX" here is a bit more info % of income of the bottom FIFTH of Brittish families £15,800 that is going down where as % of income of the top FIFTH of Brittish families is £57,300 that is STATIC and these figures figures are from Office of National Statistics so just in case some on here think I am using a Tory trick "LYING THROUGH THEIR BACK TEETH".

by tlttf Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:46 pm

Lets not take the Daily Divvy at their word without further checking the realities Red. A little reality check!

The Daily Mirror has missed the real scandal: the tax on the low-paid is 84pc, not 36pc
22 comments Fraser Nelson 11 July 2013 9:01

Today’s Daily Mirror has exposed half a scandal: that the tax changes under this government have hit the poor harder that the rich. That’s what you get when you jack up VAT: it hits everyone, but will hit the poor proportionally harder. But this year, the lower-paid half of British workers will be asked for less than 10pc of all income tax collected, the lowest proportion ever. The richest 1pc will contribute almost 30pc, the highest in recorded history. Osborne is actually squeezing the rich harder than any Labour Chancellor ever did (that’s what you get when you cut the top rate of tax). The ONS yesterday published figures suggesting that the top 20pc pay 35pc of their income in tax, and the poorest 20pc pay 36pc, when all taxes etc is considered. That tiny difference is enough for it to justify a cover story.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/the-daily-mirror-has-missed-the-real-scandal-the-tax-on-the-low-paid-is-85pc-not-36pc/

by **Ivan** Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:55 pm

tlttf. What a hypocrite you are! You pollute this forum with endless reams of crap from 'The Daily Mail', a so-called newspaper which has been renowned for decades for its bare-faced lies, and you try to pass off such tripe and the warped opinions of its journalists, as incontrovertible facts. Put your own house in order before you start criticising other posters.

by blueturando Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:28 pm

I doubt if Ed Miliband wants advice from one of his party's enemies, do you?

Really? It seems you and others are never short of advice for the Tories. I think the truth is that you are never comfortable talking about Labour (Full stop) It opens up to many old/new wounds and inconsistancies for you

by blueturando Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:40 pm

Ivan, both tittf and blue always scrape the bottom of the barrel on a regular basis

Really Redflag?...You never post anything that isn't a complete exaggeration or something just plucked out of the air

With the Tory MPs shouting for an increase in there salary of 15%, yet are willing to vote through a for a 1% increase to the rest of the civil service it just proves this gov't do not care about there constituents as long as they get to fill there boots at the expense of everybody else.

The above is just another example of the BS you peddle on a daily basis…Nothing you post can be taken seriously…Talk about scraping the barrel!!!

by **Ivan** Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:26 pm

blueturando. I don't give a damn what tripe you aim at me, but your fixation with Redflag and her postings is becoming unhealthy.

Keep the lies coming. You've never been "gagged" for your odious views, only when you refuse to comply with the rules. And I don't offer advice to the Tory Party, other than that I think it should do us all a favour and disband; it's well past its sell-by date. Even right-wingers like Peter Hitchens agree with me on that one.

https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t848-is-the-tory-party-an-anachronism-which-should-be-disbanded

by blueturando Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Really Ivan???? Come on now, I was just responding to the following, but I am sure nothing has been said the other way....unless you want to surprise me?

Redflad said...

Ivan, both tittf and blue always scrape the bottom of the barrel on a regular basis

by **Ivan** Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:05 pm

blueturando. I am sure I won't be the only person to notice that you edited an earlier message two minutes before you posted your latest one. You’re behaving more and more like a typical troll.

I’m quite happy to talk about the Labour Party – when I choose to do so. Labour can’t do anything when they’re not in power, and I don’t see why they should say too much about what they will do when they get back in. After all, we had no idea what the Tories would inflict on us until they wormed their way back into power with a multitude of lies and the duplicity of the Lib Dems. We have the nastiest government in power that I can remember, and my main concern is to ensure that as many people as possible have their eyes wide open before they vote in the next election.

by tlttf Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:10 pm

Why so defensive Ivan, if it wasn't for blue and me (plus the reality of sickchip and bobby) the rest totally believe your version of events, everybody needs a balanced view of what's occurring and you don't offer that. I'm pretty sure your answer will contain some type of personal abuse, but worry not I won't/don't need to resort to that.

Other attacking my post Ivan, is there anything wrong with it?

by blueturando Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:19 pm

IVAN...I edited because I wrote 'Other' instead of Others...Just correcting my grammar...You are a 'paranoid pete' today my friend Shocked

I am a Troll, because I question what you and others post?......Hmmm isn't that the idea of a discussion/debating forum?

by **Ivan** Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:33 pm

blueturando. Thank you for explaining why you edited your message. It might have been a good idea to explain what you'd done in the 'reason for editing' box.

As a point of information for you (and anyone else who reads this), if you want to edit a message before anyone has added another post to the thread, you can do so and it will not show that it’s been edited. In those circumstances, there is no need to write anything in that ‘reasons for editing’ box.

https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t391-posting-tips

by Redflag Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:14 pm

blueturando wrote:
Ivan, both tittf and blue always scrape the bottom of the barrel on a regular basis

Really Redflag?...You never post anything that isn't a complete exaggeration or something just plucked out of the air

With the Tory MPs shouting for an increase in there salary of 15%, yet are willing to vote through a for a 1% increase to the rest of the civil service it just proves this gov't do not care about there constituents as long as they get to fill there boots at the expense of everybody else.

The above is just another example of the BS you peddle on a daily basis…Nothing you post can be taken seriously…Talk about scraping the barrel!!!

The only people spouting BS is yourself and tittf for no other reason than to give the Tories a good coat of WHITEWASH which they badly need, the figures I gave come from the ONS so why not try telling them they talk a LOAD OF BULLSHIT but you never seem to talk about the LIES & SPIN that come from the Tory party sausage machine.

As for the 10p tax rate the majority of people will not gain from it due too them not earning £10,000 per year you need to get out and see what sort of money people are being paid in todays world why do you think food banks are growing in the UK (mind you they are the only thing that are growing thanks to Osbornes stupidity) but there is some people that benefit from that £10,000 and that is the same ones that benefitted from the 5p tax break that this Tory gov't gave to those earning £150,000.

The only ones EXAGGERATIONING are this gov't when the FIDDLE THERE FIGURES the DWP is getting very good at fiddling all there figures along with other departments and that includes Cameron and he has been cought twice so far I wonder how many times more he is going to be caught out LYING.

by blueturando Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:32 pm

The only people spouting BS is yourself and tittf for no other reason than to give the Tories a good coat of WHITEWASH which they badly need, the figures I gave come from the ONS so why not try telling them they talk a LOAD OF BULLSHIT but you never seem to talk about the LIES & SPIN that come from the Tory party sausage machine.

Red...I am more than happy to talk about Tory lies, spin and BS....It all goes on and I don't like it either...But most of that also applies to Labour and that's what I can never understand. You go mad at the Tories, but Labour are guilty of exactly the same...It just doesn't make sense at all

Please let me know if you want me to provide a list of examples and I will

I was not even talking about the 10p tax rate....you will notice in the quote box I highlighted you saying the Tories are call for a 15% pay increase, which as you well know is complete horlicks...All party leaders I believe have rejected the independent bodies pay increase recommendation....and quite rightly too!!!

by Redflag Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:54 am

If you do not like the Tory spin and BS WHY do you support it ?? in todays Daily's some TORY MPs are going off their heads at the thought of their pay rise being blocked, yet these same people voted through a pay rise for other public sector workers of 1% for the next 3 years, there is only one way to stop the MPs pay rise pass a bill through Parliament and make it law or do away with IPSA then and only then will I and the rest of the UK believe the Tories will not sneak it through.

If you notice blue it was me that started this thread and many a time on here I have pointed out Labour failings between 1997-2010 not forgetting to praise when praise is due, that is why I joined the Labour party to get my voice heard plus it gave me access to the people that needed to hear my voice and I still do today anything that I think is amiss I raise my voice to make sure the Labour party hear me. As for the figures in my earlier post they came from the ONS they were not telling the majority of the Uk anything they did not already know already the poor are paying for the EFFING GREEDY bankers and until the bankers accept their responsibility for the deficit and make an effort to take the burden off the poor i will ALWAYS HARP ON. Since the Tory party get their FUNDING from the banks which amounts to Millions and the Labour party get 6p PER WEEK from honest hard working public and private sector Union card holders and this the Tory party have twisted and LIED about if they can not deal with the TRUE FACTS they should not make it so hard to find out where and who are the Tory donors.:affraid:

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